I’m not too familiar with carbohydrate powders or recovery drinks, but what do you guys prefer as a carbohydrate source: dextrose or waxy maize?
Dextrose is much cheaper, but, in terms of pure objective evidence as to which one is more effective, I don’t recall ever seeing anything conclusive proving that waxy maize was better. Sure, we’ve seen articles saying it is better, but the sources of the articles have an interest in what you believe concerning waxy maize, which is their product. Dextrose and maltodextrin will be able to serve your purposes just fine.
waixy maize is crap get Karbolyn Its a swedish made carbohydrate supplement, always make sure your buying the real thing the ingredents should have the brand name Karbolyn it.
what’s the advantage of karbolyn out of interest? Anything like ‘Vitargo’?
To the OP I use a combo of 50% Maltodextrin and 50% Dextrose and found it works fine. Did a litte research before i dropped the cash and WMS didn’t seem to have many of the advantages that were claimed around the net.
I’d go with dextrose being cheaper.
Or karbolyn i suppose if it turns out to be good.
Dextrose being cheap is a big advantage.
Also, I thought that you couldn’t mix waxy maize with anything else…it has to be taken by itself. But I seem to recall reading recently somewhere that that isn’t actually the case.
But that is what turned me off to it originally.
[quote]kanew wrote:
what’s the advantage of karbolyn out of interest? Anything like ‘Vitargo’?
To the OP I use a combo of 50% Maltodextrin and 50% Dextrose and found it works fine. Did a litte research before i dropped the cash and WMS didn’t seem to have many of the advantages that were claimed around the net.
I’d go with dextrose being cheaper.
Or karbolyn i suppose if it turns out to be good.[/quote]
Vitargo stopped production, the same company made pure Karboyln, its just the newer version… dont like it as much as the older one, if anyone is still selling vitargo i wouldn’t invest in it… There are alot of rip off versions of it
They still sell it in the UK on a well known and pretty reliable supplement site, I doubt they’d be selling a rip-off to be honest.
Anywho, is karbolyn similar to vitargo in its advantages?
Waxy maize is a better carb source as it comes from starch so if you want it for the CHO then thats good… If you want to spike insulin though then only sugar based carbs will do that (malto etc). Although spiking insulin regularly is a bad idea, so realistically both of them have their advantages and disadvantages 
I use Maltodextrin/Dextrose 50/50 blend and have for years, it’s dirt cheap and works.
You don’t need fancy shit to get the job done.
I recently added Rilose (rice sugar)to my pre-workout mix, seemd to be working better that dextrose alone as recovery goes. I agree that you can’t go wrong with the Dextyrose / Maltose combo.
Bumping this thread to see if more ppl can weigh in.
The idea behind WMS is that it has a higher molecular weight than Dextrose, so it is pulled through the stomach faster than dextrose/malto and thus gets digested faster.
There arent really ant studies on it just anecdotal stuff. Is it really that much better than dextrose/malto? It costs about 50% more per pound.
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Bumping this thread to see if more ppl can weigh in.
The idea behind WMS is that it has a higher molecular weight than Dextrose, so it is pulled through the stomach faster than dextrose/malto and thus gets digested faster.
There arent really ant studies on it just anecdotal stuff. Is it really that much better than dextrose/malto? It costs about 50% more per pound.
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I liked the taste when I used it, and got a slightly better pump for a while. It isn’t worth the extra 50%/pound though.
I’ve only had 2 experiences with WMS, both times gastric emptying was indeed very fast and the other (more rectal) marker of digestion speed was also very fast; shit was out of my body in 4-5 hours taking breakfast with it.
For that reason alone I feared for my butt bacteria, poor guys were probably annihilated.
However, the salient things that I use for roughly measuring insulin levels (the pump, veins becoming exposed on the skin indicative of vasodilation, heat expenditure) were nowhere near as high as an isocaloric serving of glucose.
Glucose is also much cheaper, so I just use that. Fast digestion is good but the end desired result is insulin secretion during workouts.
Waxy maize allowed me to take in a good amount of carbs without stomach distress. If dextrose/malto didn’t make me feel awful i’d probably just use that.
I’ve heard that rice-based carbs work the best… such as those in FINiBAR or rice syrup (high GI). Dextrose and malto come from corn and I know in my case can cause stomach discomfort/bloat.
I prefer maltodextrin. I just prefer the taste when mixed with whey.
I just buy ten pounds of maltodextrin for $50 and mix it with whey protein – beats the hell of of taking a gainer.
If I take too much D-glucose, like what’s in Surge Recovery (two scoops), I get a sugar crash while I lift. If I do take Surge Recovery I’ll sip it throughout my training. But I do like Vitargo, I have only had a sample of it and it was very nice and easy on the stomach. However the osmolality of it is greatly affected when you had things along with it, like scoops of protein.
I personally use both maltodextrin and palatinose (isomaltulose) primarily because the latter provides a more sustained energy release. Both ingested pre-workout gives you an insulin spike as well as enough energy to get through a session without reliance on glucose-based energy drinks, etc. Not being a natural smart arse, I have lifted a quote from that well-known, and respected, site Wikipedia to outline its virtues:
"Being low-insulinemic, isomaltulose also supports improved fat oxidation during physical activity as high insulin levels hinder the use of lipids as an energy source. As such, isomaltulose can increase the amount of fat used as energy, thus enhancing performance endurance.
Isomaltulose is tolerated like sucrose and not suitable for people with a pre-existing intolerance to fructose and those who are unable to digest sucrose."
I used waxy maize for a bit but it gave me the WORST gas. Took me a while to figure out what was the cause but I have now swapped to dextrose and no more problems.
Some have said Waxy maize wonâ??t cause bloating because it is a high molecular weight molecule and thus wonâ??t pull water in as it is digested. Not sure if that is true or even if the reasoning is right but if you are using a carb powered while trying to lose water weight you are doing it wrong.