They are buying our politicians via campaign finance
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
What is corrupt about it? You don’t get paid enough?[/quote]
They are buying our elections
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If your talking about unions (I know your not), then I agree with you.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
They are buying our politicians via campaign finance [/quote]
Sure, but the American people are just as much to blame at this point.
This is the information age. The total sum of human knowledge is at our finger tips on our god damn cell phones, and 30 second soundbite, personal attack lies gets people elected.
Who’s fault is that? The moron’s in the voting booth who toe party lines, eat up false narratives and are addicted to “celebrity”.
We allow this to happen, we do. Not the SCOTUS, not bundlers, not foreign donors, not the Soro’s funded statist news sources changing the narrative, we do, people like you and I.
The political corruption solution starts by looking in the mirror.
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From its start, this country was a threat to the ancient rule of mystics. In the brilliant rocket-explosion of its youth, this country displayed to an incredulous world what greatness was possible to man, what happiness was possible on earth. It was one or the other: America or mystics. They mystics knew it; you didn?t. You let them infect you with the worship of need ? and this country became a giant in body with a mooching midget in place of its soul." - John Galt
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
What is corrupt about it? You don’t get paid enough?[/quote]
They are buying our elections
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If your talking about unions (I know your not), then I agree with you.[/quote]
What about the private sector? I wonder what the dollar for dollar comparison is?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
They are buying our politicians via campaign finance [/quote]
Sure, but the American people are just as much to blame at this point.
This is the information age. The total sum of human knowledge is at our finger tips on our god damn cell phones, and 30 second soundbite, personal attack lies gets people elected.
Who’s fault is that? The moron’s in the voting booth who toe party lines, eat up false narratives and are addicted to “celebrity”.
We allow this to happen, we do. Not the SCOTUS, not bundlers, not foreign donors, not the Soro’s funded statist news sources changing the narrative, we do, people like you and I.
The political corruption solution starts by looking in the mirror. [/quote]
So you must vote 3rd party?
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
They are buying our politicians via campaign finance [/quote]
Sure, but the American people are just as much to blame at this point.
This is the information age. The total sum of human knowledge is at our finger tips on our god damn cell phones, and 30 second soundbite, personal attack lies gets people elected.
Who’s fault is that? The moron’s in the voting booth who toe party lines, eat up false narratives and are addicted to “celebrity”.
We allow this to happen, we do. Not the SCOTUS, not bundlers, not foreign donors, not the Soro’s funded statist news sources changing the narrative, we do, people like you and I.
The political corruption solution starts by looking in the mirror. [/quote]
So you must vote 3rd party?[/quote]
PArty = bullshit.
I vote for the person, based off of record.
Any and all “parties” can get bent.
That said, this has only been a fairly recent revelation, up until “you didn’t build that” was the straw that broke the camel’s back I was a hard line Mass Blue Blood Commie Liberal.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
They are buying our politicians via campaign finance [/quote]
Sure, but the American people are just as much to blame at this point.
This is the information age. The total sum of human knowledge is at our finger tips on our god damn cell phones, and 30 second soundbite, personal attack lies gets people elected.
Who’s fault is that? The moron’s in the voting booth who toe party lines, eat up false narratives and are addicted to “celebrity”.
We allow this to happen, we do. Not the SCOTUS, not bundlers, not foreign donors, not the Soro’s funded statist news sources changing the narrative, we do, people like you and I.
The political corruption solution starts by looking in the mirror. [/quote]
So you must vote 3rd party?[/quote]
PArty = bullshit.
I vote for the person, based off of record.
Any and all “parties” can get bent. [/quote]
So you must vote 3rd party because anyone worth voting for in the 2 major parties never get the nomination.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
That said, this has only been a fairly recent revelation, up until “you didn’t build that” was the straw that broke the camel’s back I was a hard line Mass Blue Blood Commie Liberal. [/quote]
I don’t see how this is important as Obama never follows what he says. He is a representative of the finance wing of the democratic party. This is why the finance sector gave him more money than they did McCain. Also I have a hunch this is why none of the bigwigs in the finance sector went to jail. And to think people actually believe he is a socialist. Goes to show you how well the propaganda system works in the U.S.
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
because anyone worth voting for in the 2 major parties never get the nomination.
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Pretty sure my head just exploded because I agree with you.
That said, most people worth voting for fuck it up or sell out before you can vote for them anyway.
Shit look at the GodKing himself. From radical leftist to authoritarian (but I repeat myself) moderate. (In the sense of what a contemporary “moderate” is.)
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
because anyone worth voting for in the 2 major parties never get the nomination.
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Pretty sure my head just exploded because I agree with you.
That said, most people worth voting for fuck it up or sell out before you can vote for them anyway.
Shit look at the GodKing himself. From radical leftist to authoritarian (but I repeat myself) moderate. (In the sense of what a contemporary “moderate” is.)[/quote]
All you have to do is look who he nominates and governs and you know that he is not a radical leftist. His actions speak louder than his rhetoric.
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Goes to show you how well the propaganda system works in the U.S.[/quote]
It isn’t really propaganda when he changed his views…
Let me see if I can find something:
Even this dude said he has changed. Anti-Semite to apparent lover of Israel, but you can extrapolate…
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
because anyone worth voting for in the 2 major parties never get the nomination.
[/quote]
Pretty sure my head just exploded because I agree with you.
That said, most people worth voting for fuck it up or sell out before you can vote for them anyway.
Shit look at the GodKing himself. From radical leftist to authoritarian (but I repeat myself) moderate. (In the sense of what a contemporary “moderate” is.)[/quote]
All you have to do is look who he nominates and governs and you know that he is not a radical leftist. His actions speak louder than his rhetoric.[/quote]
You know, hence me plainly stating he “changed”.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
because anyone worth voting for in the 2 major parties never get the nomination.
[/quote]
Pretty sure my head just exploded because I agree with you.
That said, most people worth voting for fuck it up or sell out before you can vote for them anyway.
Shit look at the GodKing himself. From radical leftist to authoritarian (but I repeat myself) moderate. (In the sense of what a contemporary “moderate” is.)[/quote]
All you have to do is look who he nominates and governs and you know that he is not a radical leftist. His actions speak louder than his rhetoric.[/quote]
You know, hence me plainly stating he “changed”. [/quote]
Well I don’t know how he governed prior. But there are still people out there who currently believe he is still a socialist.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
They are buying our politicians via campaign finance [/quote]
Sure, but the American people are just as much to blame at this point.
This is the information age. The total sum of human knowledge is at our finger tips on our god damn cell phones, and 30 second soundbite, personal attack lies gets people elected.
Who’s fault is that? The moron’s in the voting booth who toe party lines, eat up false narratives and are addicted to “celebrity”.
We allow this to happen, we do. Not the SCOTUS, not bundlers, not foreign donors, not the Soro’s funded statist news sources changing the narrative, we do, people like you and I.
The political corruption solution starts by looking in the mirror. [/quote]
So you must vote 3rd party?[/quote]
PArty = bullshit.
I vote for the person, based off of record.
Any and all “parties” can get bent. [/quote]
Minus the truly exceptional people, half the politicians can’t do shit without their party’s backing. Even then those exceptional people still fail more than half the time. Sometimes there’s just strength in numbers.
The we need to look in the mirror argument sounds great on paper, but have you ever been to a house of mirrors? There not all the same and some just don’t work.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Minus the truly exceptional people, half the politicians can’t do shit without their party’s backing. Even then those exceptional people still fail more than half the time. Sometimes there’s just strength in numbers.[/quote]
True, but even a mighty oak starts as an acorn.
[quote]The we need to look in the mirror argument sounds great on paper, but have you ever been to a house of mirrors? There not all the same and some just don’t work.
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I want to comment on this, but can you expand what you mean first please?
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
But there are still people out there who currently believe he is still a socialist.[/quote]
He isn’t in action, for the most part. He hasn’t done anything much any establishment politician from either party would big picture, it is just the details that are different.
Would there have been “McCainCare” had he won? Nah, but there would be some other clusterfuck, slap dick, massive bill restricting our freedom and paying of major donors instead.
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
What is corrupt about it? You don’t get paid enough?[/quote]
They are buying our elections
[/quote]
If your talking about unions (I know your not), then I agree with you.[/quote]
What about the private sector? I wonder what the dollar for dollar comparison is?[/quote]
in 2008 Unions contributed, verifiably $206.7 million to Obama directly (that’s the verifiable number, it has been suggested that it was more than that and it definitely was if you include the political costs of lobbyists, pollsters, and campaigners). John McCain only raised $368 million total.
An article in the Wallstreet Journal, indicated that between unions reported $1.1 billion in campaign spending the Federal Elections Commission and Congress. However there was an additional $3.3 billion spent on political activity according to the unions’ report to the Labor Department.
I highly doubt any group spent more than that, as that kind of money will buy you a lot of political influence.
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