Ok then, how about from a hang?
Other possibilities are losing position (weight/torso shifting forward), not getting full leg extension on the drive, and bad timing on the push under. (I’m pretending that it was not a rhetorical question and you really wanted answers.)
Hang lifts I can typically do well on because the timing is a lot more simplified, though it’s more because I can get under the bar very quickly instead of getting the bar higher. In fact with high hang lifts I literally only have to pull high enough that I can catch about rock bottom while the full lifts I typically catch around parallel and ride down.
I still have a good bit of work to do on technique, though I am improving. Push press and jerk are moving further and further away from my strict press numbers, snatch beating out my strict press numbers consistently, clean closing in on my front squat, etc.
The question was mostly a rhetorical question, though this is differently appreciated. 
I can send you a video of my pause jerks later in the week if you’d like, more qualified eyes and opinions are always appreciated.
I’d love to see a video, although the more qualified part is questionable.
Your training would bury me, I think.
It’s a different type of fatigue for the most part. Your joints/soft tissue and whole body gives out before your muscles, while your muscles are normally the first to tell you to stop in powerlifting, (except maybe deep in the peaking process for a powerlifting meet) and if that fails then your joints start to complain.
I do have to be careful to get it just right though, my personality makes it so that in essentially anything in life I either go all in, or I sandbag it. It’s a character flaw at times, but I guarantee I am never mediocre at anything I care about. That, and a very addictive personality, thank god I never really liked alcohol. lol
You do so much in a session! Have you thought about maybe simplifying your training to allow yourself more room to recover and REALLY get after it in the sessions?
Have you thought about going old school where you do:
Day 1 - Snatch, C&J, BS, 2 Snatch Assistance
Day 2 - Snatch, C&J, FS, 2 Clean Assistance
Day 3- Snatch, C&J, BS, BB Upper Body Work
Just curious how you got to training the way that you do.
In general my formula for strength blocks: lift of the day, an assistance exercise or two, then squat or pull, then 15-20 minutes of bodybuilding.
Once I start getting ready for a peak I’ll cut it down to just the lifts, and a squat or pull, then 10-15 minutes of bodybuilding.
When I was running that last program though, it was indeed a ridiculous amount of strength work and it was meant to plunge you neck deep into strength work after a hypertrophy block so that your squatting, pulling, and pressing strength gets back to 100+% so that you can then snatch and clean and jerk maximal numbers. Unfortunately I got sick (some weird sinus stuff that’s being going around) and didn’t want to push it.
Five times a week is pretty normal for intermediate level lifters in the US. Advanced lifters normally either opt for six+ times a week, or end up doing something similar to LSUS (like Kendrick Ferris). I think a lot of the reasons why the volume and frequency is up is because people can drop the weights, and there is a much higher focus on the lower body/efficient technique so the lifting doesn’t tear you up as bad as in the old days.
8/15/17
Actually feeling strong and healthy.
Warm up
Behind the neck jerk
45X3+3 presses
45X3+3 presses
95X3+3 presses
135X3
185X2
205X3
225X2
245X2
265X5
275X4, lost it on the last rep because I dipped too far/didn’t stay on my quads causing me to use my hips and launch it back.
push presses
135X5
185X8
175X8
165X8
dip squats
225X5
275X5
300X8
285X8
275X8
front squats
135X3
225X3
275X3
315X8, probably could’ve gone up to 325 but I was running out of time at the gym
295X8
275X8
Everything feels good, and I felt nice and strong. 265X5 as pictured, I don’t like how far the bar was ending up behind me on the last two reps, and how much I was short-stepping on my front leg.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BX1r2N5gVVR/?taken-by=hudsonskyler
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Behind the neck jerk
45X3+3 presses
45X3+3 presses
95X3+3 presses
135X3
185X2
205X3
225X2
245X2
265X5
275X4, lost it on the last rep because I dipped too far/didn’t stay on my quads causing me to use my hips and launch it back.
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Is this something you just have to build up to?
I don’t get how Olympic lifters do this without placing an enormous amount of strain on their back.
What do you mean, what part? Being able to absorb the impacts from recovering weights after the overhead position?
It’s partly that you front squat/squat more than you jerk, so it is relatively light. You also develop technique to absorb the impact in a gentler way. If you are good at it, then you bend your knees, (shortens the distance) start lowering, extend your knees and ankles, then rebend your knees and ankles as it touches your back so that it prolongs the impact like the crumple zone in a car. You also don’t let it free fall, so that also helps.
You also develop a tolerance to it like in squatting, at first it’s really unpleasant, but as your body gets used to it and your technique for catching it gets better the less uncomfortable it is to do. Your technique and speed also limits your numbers no matter how strong you are, so you are going to be messing with pretty light numbers compared to your strength for a year or two (depends how good you are/how well you’ve been coached) as your clean and jerk and snatch skyrocket, if you are doing things right, to your real strength numbers.
https://instagram.com/p/BX74081AxT8/
I feel like timing is off. Arm movement too soon and not rigid enough at lockout. My arms don’t properly lock, but I should at least keep better tension in triceps and shoulders.
You are holding a good position at the bottom and driving the weight back very nicely.
You do not finish the leg drive. Possibly relax your grip and concentrate on violent leg extension.
It ocurred to me that your short stepping probably has to do with how far back you are driving the bar. If you stepped any further forward, you would be stepping out from underneath the bar and losing all you jerks backwards.
Alright, I’ll definitely try relaxing my grip. Any tips on getting the bar to move straighter?
And thanks for the advice!
Ya, recovering the bar after a BTN jerk.
I never actually considered the fact that you’re jerking a heck of a lot less than your front/back squat. Your back squat maxes out at somewhere around 500lb, ya? So 275lb would be light.
That + practice with lighter weight makes sense now.
Yeah, I’ve squatted 495 and I’ve gotten in a fair bit of work since then so I could probably hit low 500’s right now if I was inclined to max my squat.
And yeah, my lifts are still inefficient (though getting better) so jerks feel light to me while they are on my shoulders/back (different story overhead when I actually get closer to my jerk maxes because my static strength is trash).
Anyway, I’ve realized my footwork on the jerk is trash. I found a waxman video that had a good drill to work on my foot work, I think I’ll start every workout featuring a jerk with a good 5-10 minutes of foot work without the bar, then another 5-10 minutes with the bar until good footwork is automatic even with maximal weight.
Sorry, I don’t know enough to say how to fix the problem, or even if you should try to fix it. The footwork drills sound like a good idea.
So… I noticed it’s been awhile since I’ve updated my log. Still lifting, working on my pull strength right now. So far:
Monday:
Snatches up to 185X3 for easy clean reps, was told that gym was closing early
got some pump work in
Tuesday:
High hang cleans
worked up to 255X3
235X3
235X3
floating clean pulls
275X5
265X5
255X5
segment clean deadlifts
315X4
300X4
285X4
Did some bodybuilding work
Wednesday
front squat+push press+power jerk complex
worked up to
255X(1+1+1)
235X(1+1+1)
235X(1+1+1)
high hang power snatches
165X3
155X3
145X3
high hang snatch high pulls
170X8
170X8
170X8
front squats
365X3
345X3
330X3
Thursday
Had snatches planned for this day but had bad headaches all day, moved them to later today (Friday).
Happy that I’ve turned 255 from a knee hang to high hang to high hang triple max over the months. It’s finally a light weight. lol
Oh yeah, and I am giving power jerks a legitimate shot at being my main jerk style. At worst it makes me a better jerker from power jerking a ton, at best I’ve found a style that suits me. It was good enough for Dimas to become the greatest of all time.
Shitty day of snatches and clean and jerks, didn’t even bother to do squats. Then
Tuesday
Hang cleans
265x3
245x3
235x3
pause clean pulls
295x4
275x4
275x4
clean deadlifts with pause at mid thighs
335x3
315x3
315x3
Back extensions
105x20
105x20
105x15
Wednesday
sick/had stuff to do
Thursday still felt really bad but needed to do something to keep sane.
Incline DB press
100’sx8
100’sx5
100’sx5
seated row
200x20
220x12
240x6
180x11
db incline curls and db incline tricep extensions
35’sx5,20
35’sx5, 18
35’sx5, 15
Crazy doms, and I still have that stomach bug, but I feel good enough to lift today.
Friday: Puppy visited me at uni (read:mom drove dog up) and the gym closes early on Friday without me realizing so it was closed by the time they left. <3 my puppy though so it’s okay
Saturday:
BTN power jerks
295x2
275x2
275x2
pause squats (beltless)
425x2
385x2
385x2
Gotta love all of that volume and reps… Probably going to do a morning session and afternoon session tomorrow to stay on schedule, and actually get some accessories in. Stomach bug finally gone and my lifts are feeling strong .
Also power jerks are definitely my style. I lift straight up (instead of arching back), and my elbows actually stay locked. Now to actually practice them.