Thanks guys really appreciate all the advice, Definitely tones down the psychological aspects of this. For the past few days all I’ve had was blurred vision (from clomid im assuming) and upper back pain occasionally.
Again, I really appreciate all of your advice fellas
You’re still getting blurred vision even after you stopped taking it?
Yes but it’s only been 5 days, and has gradually gotten better. I’m assuming the side effect was bc I was taking 100mg a day.
I still don’t understand why ppl feel the need to mega dose these SERMs, or double them up. With the longer HL, by day 5 you’ve likely still got the med in your system and will get better by the 7-10 day mark
still dont understand first why they cycle at 23 years old 
and then cry because they feel bad
Hey guys so I just got off a tren, test cycle of 20 weeks in October. Experienced a crash in mid november due to improper pct (clomid was giving me real bad side effects). It has generally gotten better now. Anxiety is gone and all of that. But I still feel depressed, little to no energy half way through the day, and constantly extremely fatigued. I got my bloodwork when I was on the clomid and everything seemed norm.
Yeah, ‘tren’ and ‘PCT’ don’t go together. Metabolites stick around for a long time after use and they can continue to suppress you. It would be strange if you didn’t feel like Hell.
Yeah but I’ve done the same cycle about a year ago and didn’t have any problems. Only difference is this cycle was about a month and a half longer, and halfway through the cycle I substituted test for sust.
Past response is not an indicator of future outcomes. No guarantees in this game. You should retest your levels in two weeks and see where they are. From there you can decide a course of action.
Since you had a “bad” PCT, I’m gonna guess this is just gonna take time. Or you could get some Nolva and run another PCT. Labs on the SERM don’t mean much, just that the SERM is doing it’s thing (or not). I’d get some labs now and see why you feel off (guessing PRL will be elevated)
Thats what you get with all the PCT bullshit.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. Sometimes it fucks you up for life. Enjoy.
Hank, I’m curious about this statement. Does this mean that one would return to his natural maximum genetic limits after cycle even if he wasn’t there before cycling? This is assuming that the cycle allowed him to surpass his natural genetic potential.
Or do you mean that all muscle built on cycle will be lost post cycle, providing one returns to ‘natural’?
One would return to muscle size than can be maintained with ones current hormonal affairs.
In a perfect world, someone who has never trained in his life, could take a cycle, get a coach and reach his genetic potential or a bit more pretty fast. After quiting, IF his hormones would go straight back to where they were naturally, he would be able to maintain the muscle(not the bloat lots of drugs come with) that he could naturally gain without drugs.
The problem is that when you come off your test is zero, PCT is a pain in the ass and it fails lots of times or is not optimal, therefore leaving this person with much worse hormonal situation than he would have had natty, which leaves lots of room for the gains to slip away because there is NOTHING holding them anymore.
Also, since the person didnt gain much natty, it also means he didnt know enough to gain size, which means that when steroids are out of the system, and his natural hormones are half to where they were, not only he can lose most of the gains - he might lose em all even in a better hormonal situation because he just doesnt know HOW.
That is why in the old days, when i was a kid, it was frowned upon to take steroids before you are 200lbs and could bench 220lbs and squat 300. No matter how lean, just show people you can eat food, and lift some shit.
with this being said - i think cycling is moronic, and doing that BEFORE you have reached your genetic limit is just stupid, as you can gain all that by not taking anything.
I went from 147 to 200 when i started to look for shit AND i didnt even know how to train. If id know then what i know now, im sure i could have been 220lbs natty back then.