[quote]100meters wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
It’s called reading the paper.
If a majority agrees with the “Radicals”, then they’re not really that radical.
Not liking Bush,
Not liking Iraq,
Roe v. Wade,
stem cells,
clean enviroment,
hating privitization,
etc.
all not radical.
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What the are you talking about? Where do you get your information that the majority of people agree with you on these issues?
[quote]100meters wrote:
Well at least you got the point…oh wait you didn’t. Did he win on the issues? NO!
Did he win based on perception of character? YES (He can keep us safe.)
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Uhhhhh…
Is national defense not an issue now? It’s just smoke and mirrors and feel-good commercials? Was there not a gulf of difference between Kerry’s nineteen or so foreign policy positions re:terrorism and the President’s position?
It’s always nice to see Zeb telling someone else that they should drink some more kool-aide.
100meters,
So, setting aside your list, which is debatable and does not include gay marriage (you did say EVERY issue) - how did Bush win the election in 2004?
If what you say is true, no way Bush could have won.
Do tell.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Please continue as it is much easier to sterotype than to actually think through a problem.
How these so called “sterotypes” tend to vote and distribute their funds.
“right to life” – republican
“NRA” – rebulican
You are right “stereotypes are a real time saver”.
Sen. Dole wants to complain about special interest groups–this is a little ironic. Every party will have special interests becuase it is these core ideologies that make up the parties. Saying that politics shouldn’t pander to any special interest group in not only impractical it is short sighted and naive. Without special interest groups we have no politicts.
You guys want a good laugh check this out:
notice the american flag in the link (netscape users). [/quote]
I am of the belief that sterotypes of all sorts are simply wrong.
Do you think every republican who voted for Bush believes in every one of his policies?
Would you also sterotype someones race in that manner? Do you think that everyone of a certain race thinks and acts the same?
You need to expand your horizons.
It’s not quite as simple as you assume it to be.
[quote]vroom wrote:
It’s always nice to see Zeb telling someone else that they should drink some more kool-aide.[/quote]
How many posts do you have attacking positions of those on the left? I on the other hand have made it very clear that I disagree with Bush on some important issues. You even posted in one of the threads I began for this purpose.
Perhaps you only see what you want to see, or maybe you are simply trying to label me incorrectly because you feel that is what I did to you.
Either way you are wrong…once again …
lumpy is on to something!!!
America agrees with everything democratic!!!
The reason W. keeps winning is simple: We Republican voters keep sucking on the George H.W. Bush tit!!!
Money, women, cars, thanks papa George H.W. Bush!!!
JeffR
P.S. lumpy, you’ve got this being full of shit thing down to a science!!!
[quote]vroom wrote:
It’s always nice to see Zeb telling someone else that they should drink some more kool-aide.[/quote]
I thought you said you didn’t go for the personal attacks?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
100meters:
You are starting to be quite entertaining! I thank you for this.
However, I have to correct you (again…and again).
President Bush was “REELECTED” (that means twice) because the American people voted for him TWICE!
know why? They agreed with his ideas!
Now smile and go have another glass of Koolaide. 
Better yet go to the window open it up wide and give a DEAN SCREAM! YIIIIHAAAAA!
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Really? It’s weird then that the majority of american’s DON’T agree with his ideas. Again:
Roe v. Wade
Stem Cells
Iraq
Social Security
Terri Schiavo
etc.
That’s kind of like the opposite of what you said.
So again that would lead one to believe that some other concern led him to victory—perhaps his character? his percieved ability to keep us safe? Wartime president? I dunno exactly, but it wasn’t the “issues”.
[quote]JeffR wrote:
lumpy is on to something!!!
America agrees with everything democratic!!!
The reason W. keeps winning is simple: We Republican voters keep sucking on the George H.W. Bush tit!!!
Money, women, cars, thanks papa George H.W. Bush!!!
JeffR
P.S. lumpy, you’ve got this being full of shit thing down to a science!!![/quote]
I say he won because Americans think Bush will keep us safe or something like that and you say sucking on tit…And I’m full of shit, but you think our troops in Iraq are in Disneyland (I don’t remember wearing flak jackets at Disneyland…) You are on the opposite side of the truth in just about every post (Duelfer=WMD is one of my favorites) and yet, you point a finger?
Pretty funny.
Bush hasn’t said no to stem cells, just no to taxpayer funding. There are still stem cells available.
When Zogby did a poll about Shiavo that stated the truth the numbers flipped.
Easy to say Iraq’s not popular now.
It was.
And it’s what leaders do.
Roe? More than half the country is against abortion on demand. WTF are you talking about?
And SS…well, at least he’s trying to fix it.
More than any “D” has ever done.
The purpose you began that lame ass thread where you really didn’t say very much, except that government has too much pork, which Bush didn’t fix, was so that you could club people like me with it.
Give it a rest already or find some real criticism to lay directly at the feet of Bush before you start sounding all high and mighy.
[quote]vroom wrote:
How many posts do you have attacking positions of those on the left? I on the other hand have made it very clear that I disagree with Bush on some important issues. You even posted in one of the threads I began for this purpose.
The purpose you began that lame ass thread where you really didn’t say very much, except that government has too much pork, which Bush didn’t fix, was so that you could club people like me with it.
Give it a rest already or find some real criticism to lay directly at the feet of Bush before you start sounding all high and mighy.
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God you’re a small bitter man.
Tonight’s posts, by Joe, are brought to you by the words, angry, small and bitter.
Joe, I guess perhaps you wish I was, so that you’d be able to feel better about yourself, but I’m afraid I have bad news for you… 
[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
Bush hasn’t said no to stem cells, just no to taxpayer funding. There are still stem cells available.
When Zogby did a poll about Shiavo that stated the truth the numbers flipped.
Easy to say Iraq’s not popular now.
It was.
And it’s what leaders do.
Roe? More than half the country is against abortion on demand. WTF are you talking about?
And SS…well, at least he’s trying to fix it.
More than any “D” has ever done.
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1.It’s not the poll on Shiavo it’s polls on government involving itself with schaiavo
2.Again americans want funding for stem cells–so does congress
3.More than half support Roe v. Wade(gee didn’t I already say that?)
And people hate S.S. because they realize he’s not trying to fix it—by his own admission. And d’s started S.S. (isn’t that the most you can do for it?) and saved it for now from Bush’s plans to dismantle it—so much for the Mandate!
Iraq—reality is a bitch.
lumpy wrote:
“I say he won because Americans think Bush will keep us safe or something like that”
You act as though that is a small issue!!!
What was kerry’s stance on Iraq again?
“and you say sucking on tit…And I’m full of shit, but you think our troops in Iraq are in Disneyland (I don’t remember wearing flak jackets at Disneyland…)”
I love having to type the same thing over and over. Your density is overwhelming
What I plainly said was this: You can twist information any way you damn well please. For instance, you could take the numbers of murders in Detroit, compare it to U.S. military deaths in Iraq and make a case that Detroit is as dangerous or more dangerous than Iraq. It occurred to me later that this case theoretically could have been made more compelling by adding in the number of accidents occurring in Detroit daily.
Again, I do not think Iraq is Disneyland.
I was making a point about how you can twist figures to push any agenda you feel like making.
Did it finally get through your skull?
“You are on the opposite side of the truth in just about every post (Duelfer=WMD is one of my favorites)”
Really? Are you contending that we have found no WMD or related materials in Iraq since the invasion? Are you saying that the Duelfer report says that there were no WMD or related materials found in Iraq?
Come on lump, say it!!!
“and yet, you point a finger?
Pretty funny.”
I trully enjoy you!!!
JeffR
[quote]JeffR wrote:
lumpy wrote:
You act as though that is a small issue!!!
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I wouldn’t call it an issue , more a perception of character—and yes It’s HUGE—obviously–but it’s no reflection of policy—obviously.
And again there is no credible way to make comparisons of any kind between our 138,000 troops and their risk factor and large american cities. And there’s no need, It sucks in Iraq now—hopefully it will get better.
And you’re the only republican left fighting the WMD’s, Bush, Powell, everybody concedes they were dead wrong, why can’t you?
[quote]vroom wrote:
God you’re a small bitter man.
Tonight’s posts, by Joe, are brought to you by the words, angry, small and bitter.
Joe, I guess perhaps you wish I was, so that you’d be able to feel better about yourself, but I’m afraid I have bad news for you… ;)[/quote]
no, vroom, I wish you’d stop acting that way because there’s so much more to you than this current phase.
It’s got nothing to do with me or how I feel about myself.
[quote]no, vroom, I wish you’d stop acting that way because there’s so much more to you than this current phase.
It’s got nothing to do with me or how I feel about myself.[/quote]
Well, if you ask me, once again, for a truce in this little funfest, perhaps you might consider honoring it?
Do the words truce schmooce ring a bell to you?
[quote]vroom wrote:
How many posts do you have attacking positions of those on the left? I on the other hand have made it very clear that I disagree with Bush on some important issues. You even posted in one of the threads I began for this purpose.
The purpose you began that lame ass thread where you really didn’t say very much, except that government has too much pork, which Bush didn’t fix, was so that you could club people like me with it.
Give it a rest already or find some real criticism to lay directly at the feet of Bush before you start sounding all high and mighy.
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You think so? Well…how many posts did you originate which criticize your lefty pals? Um…ZIP! Does that mean that ultra liberals are more narrow minded and simply follow blindly?
Also, I’m sorry that you are so cynical that you actually think I began that thread just so that I could use it two months later. (Shaking head).
vroom, you should really consider taking some time away from this forum it might do you some good. Especially after watching you chase sasquatch and Joe Weider around. Your not helping yourself with…
Then again what would you do with all your free time and all that hate?