Chinese prisons are full of Chinese prisoners. Does that mean the Chinese are more prone to being criminals than whites?
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Chinese prisons are full of Chinese prisoners. Does that mean the Chinese are more prone to being criminals than whites?
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He was discussing Asian American crime stats in the US. I argued that historical influence of confuscious values that focus on egalitarianism over individual rights led to less prominence of Asians in American jail cells. China is very tough on crime and abuses human rights. Those that come from China value all of the freedom offered in the US so they avoid losing those freedoms.
Crime is a subjective term and it is up to the government to determine what it is and in China what is deemed a crime casts a wider net. It does not diminish the influence of egalitarian philosophies in China. It just means that they are harsher on what they deem is criminal behaviour.
[quote]nickj_777 wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Chinese prisons are full of Chinese prisoners. Does that mean the Chinese are more prone to being criminals than whites?
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He was discussing Asian American crime stats in the US. I argued that historical influence of confuscious values that focus on egalitarianism over individual rights led to less prominence of Asians in American jail cells. China is very tough on crime and abuses human rights. Those that come from China value all of the freedom offered in the US so they avoid losing those freedoms.
Crime is a subjective term and it is up to the government to determine what it is and in China what is deemed a crime casts a wider net. It does not diminish the influence of egalitarian philosophies in China. It just means that they are harsher on what they deem is criminal behaviour.[/quote]
How many murders in China are blacks responsible for?
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]nickj_777 wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Chinese prisons are full of Chinese prisoners. Does that mean the Chinese are more prone to being criminals than whites?
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He was discussing Asian American crime stats in the US. I argued that historical influence of confuscious values that focus on egalitarianism over individual rights led to less prominence of Asians in American jail cells. China is very tough on crime and abuses human rights. Those that come from China value all of the freedom offered in the US so they avoid losing those freedoms.
Crime is a subjective term and it is up to the government to determine what it is and in China what is deemed a crime casts a wider net. It does not diminish the influence of egalitarian philosophies in China. It just means that they are harsher on what they deem is criminal behaviour.[/quote]
How many murders in China are blacks responsible for?
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I hope this is not a serious question because it makes no sense and is not relevant to the discussion. But if it is a serious question I am sorry I do not know that stat.
I think you miss his point. He is simply saying that geography alone could have quite a bit to do with “race findings”. Once again, this is a cultural issue…not a “skin color issue”.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
What’s worse are these are often the types who roll their eyes at others in their own faith because they don’t think they are “christian” enough. Those types are the funniest. They don’t realize they are exactly what Jesus didn’t want.[/quote]Go to the Hijack Haven thread Doc and tell me what Jesus did and didn’t want. I’m asking honestly for your view.
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I’m sure.
However, one thing I won’t do is sit an argue religion with you. I already see how your mind works. I don’t have to speak on all things Jesus was not in favor of to tell you that judgmental “Christians” who shout their self righteousness louder than their “kindly acts” can cover are one of them.[/quote]What you don’t see is what Jesus Christ and His disciples actually said about judging. That is clearly evinced by this most typical of all modernist answers I also get from everybody else who has no idea what Jesus Christ and His disciples actually said either. If you ever change your mind I’ll be happy to help you with that. That way you can have an intelligent conversation with folks about at least that one terrible and ubiquitous misrepresentation of the gospel. We can work on your terrible misunderstanding of self righteousness at the same time if you like. There must be a special place in the lake of fire for men who treat women like I have in my earlier life Doc. Yuo couldn’t know. The only difference between myself and any other whore is the redeeming power of the blood of Jesus and His resurrection life which I now live instead of the one I was born with. I don’t look down on ANYBODY. In fact, many of them could look down on me on a whole list of sins.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think you miss his point. He is simply saying that geography alone could have quite a bit to do with “race findings”. Once again, this is a cultural issue…not a “skin color issue”.[/quote]
It is this that the OP refuses to recognize–that poverty, ignorance, familial instability, and historical circumstance are the midwives of criminality. It takes only a very slight bit of intellectual effort to understand that to explain something is not the same as to excuse it, but the OP is either unwilling or unable to make that effort.
The logical conclusion of the refusal to accept environment as the primary determinant of black crime is white supremacy: the belief that the high rates of criminality and incarceration among African Americans follow naturally from the color of their skin.
For my rebuttal I submit the opinion of every credible academic since the advent of the color television and the data presented in each of their hundreds or thousands of studies.
But it doesn’t really take an advanced degree, does it? With a bit of common sense and a shred of human decency, we can come to the following conclusion: there is a reason why kids born in Scarsdale, New York become lawyers and kids born to crack-addicted mothers in Brownsville, Brooklyn end up in prison, and it has jack shit to do with melanin.
Not only will Conservativedog not accept this, he will not even address it. He won’t rebut my argument or provide evidence in support of his own (whatever the fuck his argument is). Instead he’ll post a meme and ramble about a combination of black on white violence, Communism, liberal media bias and Black History Month. He will also ignore the fact that he tried to tell us that a photograph of James Bond was related to his work and was then called out by me and other posters for feebly trying to back that claim up with a transparent and childish ruse.
SMH 23
I have a lot of respect for the arguments you make and they often echo my own. You should apply to the Globe and Mail as an option.
[quote]nickj_777 wrote:
SMH 23
I have a lot of respect for the arguments you make and they often echo my own. You should apply to the Globe and Mail as an option.
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Thank you very much sir, and will do. I’ll be sending out a barrage of applications once all of my current freelance obligations have been fulfilled.
And I very often find myself nodding my head in agreement as I go though your posts as well. They are a pleasure to read.
[quote]Professor X wrote:<<< this is a cultural issue…not a “skin color issue”.[/quote]Ya know what Doc? I agree wholeheartedly and that has been my point with you forever. Those unassailable rape statistics for instance? Are not at their root about race AT ALL. I’ve said that… lemme see… 1,2,3… 10 million times now.
EDIT: The trouble we’re having here Doc, and maybe it’s my fault, is that you are taking me as being antagonistic to you which I promise you is not the case. I’m not angry with you. I don’t think you’re an idiot. I don’t think you’re a particularly bad guy in any way or on any level. You are however well suited to some points that in my view need making, because the ideology you espouse is one shared by many people and a very large % of blacks, I feel to their own detriment. That’s why I’m engaging you like this. Not because I’m trying to denigrate or insult you. Not at all. I care about people. Regardless of color. I don’t like to see them hurt. Whether you think they are being hurt by the same things I think they are being hurt by is not the point. I think they are and that’s my motivation. I don’t bring up black rape statistics out of hatred fro black people. I could introduce you to several dozen, many I just left earlier tonight, who would simply chuckle a bit and walk away if you tried to tell them that.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also…this is America in the year 2012. How many “ALL BLACK” or “ALL WHITE” people are there here? Some of you seem to use CULTURAL ISSUES as race issues.
That would make it a racist point of view.
I personally have nothing in common with some rapist or murder in another city just because we share a similar skin color…so why has this discussion focused on why black people are doing wrong…as if their skin color made them do it and not their culture/environment?[/quote]
Nobody accused you as being similar to a rapist. I’ve never met you and do not know if you have any criminal background at this point. I’ll take your word on this. However as has been brought up before if you were to walk down the street alone at night and see a Pitt Bull running loose do you walk closer or do you keep your distance and why? If the same scenario involved a Chihuahua this question would be moot.
Now twist this like your racist mind will and not answer the question. In the posts here It is cemented in liberal minds that if a white attacks a black such as in the Zimmerman - Trayvon Martin case immediate attempts are made to portray it as racist. You stated “as if their skin color made them do it and not their culture/environment?” Why then are the media and a large percentage of blacks so intent on jumping to the conclusion that it must be racist? You can’t have it both ways which is what you lazily want.
Your own comments condemn past white attacks on blacks as not being racist. Again your statement …“as if their skin color made them do it and not their culture/environment?” Tell that to Al Gore so he can rest easier about his father being anti-Civil Rights along with most all the other 1960’s Democrats.
professor x if white on black racism is so alive and well and as you claim no victory is in sight for African Americans then why do mixed persons such as Tiger Woods, Barack Hussein Obama etc… overwhelmingly choose to identify themselves as black?
Answer my questions with a question like all of your liberal apologists in this thread with 6500 views and over 300 responses. I expect nothing new here.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
so why has this discussion focused on why black people are doing wrong…as if their skin color made them do it and not their culture/environment?[/quote]
Like I said before, I tried to argue that very point in another thread to no end.
But you bring up a good point. I find (at least were i live, which is outside of Boston, so race issues aren’t moot by any means) that more so now-a-days discrimination is based much more on cultural difference rather than skin color.
You can take an Asian, Black or White person around here, dress them in a suit and have them take the time to speak “proper” English, and no one is going to think anything ill towards the individual. But if you put that same person into some saggy jeans, tim’s, a tank top and had them speak in more relaxed English with appropriate slang, and well, people will judge that person negatively, skin color irrelevant.
The neighborhoods they are in make a difference as well. We have a couple Asian Gangs around here that no one fucks with, no one. If someone dresses and acts like them, well people discriminate against them.
That being said, some of the most ruthless criminals I’ve ever know dress and act like dorks. Stained shirts and mom jeans FFS…
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
so why has this discussion focused on why black people are doing wrong…as if their skin color made them do it and not their culture/environment?[/quote]
Like I said before, I tried to argue that very point in another thread to no end.
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Same here, to no avail. There must be a word for a guy who sees everything through the prism of race, who believes race to be the determinant factor of crime, who is oddly fascinated by lurid stories of crimes committed by people of a specific skin color. There must be a word for a guy like that, I just can’t think of what it is…
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
so why has this discussion focused on why black people are doing wrong…as if their skin color made them do it and not their culture/environment?[/quote]
Like I said before, I tried to argue that very point in another thread to no end.
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Same here, to no avail. There must be a word for a guy who sees everything through the prism of race, who believes race to be the determinant factor of crime, who is oddly fascinated by lurid stories of crimes committed by people of a specific skin color. There must be a word for a guy like that, I just can’t think of what it is…[/quote]
A gangsta rapper ?
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
[quote]kamui wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
so why has this discussion focused on why black people are doing wrong…as if their skin color made them do it and not their culture/environment?[/quote]
Like I said before, I tried to argue that very point in another thread to no end.
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Same here, to no avail. There must be a word for a guy who sees everything through the prism of race, who believes race to be the determinant factor of crime, who is oddly fascinated by lurid stories of crimes committed by people of a specific skin color. There must be a word for a guy like that, I just can’t think of what it is…[/quote]
A gangsta rapper ?
Sorry, couldn’t resist.[/quote]
EXACTLY.
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
[quote]kamui wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
so why has this discussion focused on why black people are doing wrong…as if their skin color made them do it and not their culture/environment?[/quote]
Like I said before, I tried to argue that very point in another thread to no end.
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Same here, to no avail. There must be a word for a guy who sees everything through the prism of race, who believes race to be the determinant factor of crime, who is oddly fascinated by lurid stories of crimes committed by people of a specific skin color. There must be a word for a guy like that, I just can’t think of what it is…[/quote]
A gangsta rapper ?
Sorry, couldn’t resist.[/quote]
EXACTLY. They are too stoned to remember. Smoke more dope smh23, this is child’s play answering your lopsided facts. What goes around FINALLY come around. Stick that in your glass pipe and listen to it crackle.
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Shouldn’t you be out saving the world 007?
Respond to the substance of my above post–the one where I talk about Scarsdale, NY vs. Brownsville, Brooklyn–if you’d like to have a debate.
Again, please respond to the above post if you’d like to have a debate.
If not I will stop posting in this thread because it’s clear you don’t actually want to talk about politics.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
so why has this discussion focused on why black people are doing wrong…as if their skin color made them do it and not their culture/environment?[/quote]
Like I said before, I tried to argue that very point in another thread to no end.
You can take an Asian, Black or White person around here, dress them in a suit and have them take the time to speak “proper” English, and no one is going to think anything ill towards the individual. But if you put that same person into some saggy jeans, tim’s, a tank top and had them speak in more relaxed English with appropriate slang, and well, people will judge that person negatively, skin color irrelevant.
That being said, some of the most ruthless criminals I’ve ever know dress and act like dorks. Stained shirts and mom jeans FFS… [/quote]
Do they make up the MAJORITY of murderers in the major cities? No. Do they go after a majority of one race? No. Do they participate in hundreds of flash mob robberies? No. You are arguing apples vs oranges same as the numbskulls trying to compare this with Chinese prisoners.
We are not in a communist country yet. Most of China’s prisoners are political prisoners or monks and nuns. They have no large population of another race there. You can’t even think through what the facts we are comparing yet you spew nonsensical statements then think to yourself CHECKMATE! Liberal One Step Thinkers.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
Shouldn’t you be out saving the world 007?
Respond to the substance of my above post–the one where I talk about Scarsdale, NY vs. Brownsville, Brooklyn–if you’d like to have a debate.
Again, please respond to the above post if you’d like to have a debate.
If not I will stop posting in this thread because it’s clear you don’t actually want to talk about politics.[/quote]
Don’t get mad kid, it’s nothing personal. I’m just trying to keep the sky from falling on your generation. Hang in there.
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
Don’t get mad kid, it’s nothing personal. I’m just trying to keep the sky from falling on your generation. Hang in there.
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So you don’t want to talk about the substance of that post? The one about Scarsdale vs. Brooklyn?
Then why are you posting in PWI?
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
You can’t even think through what the facts we are comparing yet you spew nonsensical statements then think to yourself CHECKMATE! Liberal One Step Thinkers.
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I was replying to X’s point (that he has made before as well) that, as a society, we seem to be moving toward judgement and discrimination between outward cultural differences and away from judgement and discrimination based on skin color differences.
I’m not claiming checkmate over anything. Fact of the matter is, in my area, all these crime stats would more likely involve southeast Asians rather than blacks. Hispanics when you cross the highway. And whites were my parents live.
It is moot really. I’m not 100% sure what angle you are taking here. Some people think you are taking the “I hate poor black people” approach, I would like to think you are taking a “democratic policy has put these poor people in a horrid situation and they continue to vote for the same people destroying them” approach. Whether the latter is correct or not would make for a much better thread than this one has.
I’ll leave the thread with this:
Utopianism also attempts to shape and dominate the individual by doing two things at once: it strips the individual of his uniqueness, making him indistinguishable from the multitudes that form what is commonly referred to as ‘the masses,’ but it simultaneously assigns him a group identity based on race, ethnicity, age, gender, income, etc., to highlight differences within the masses.
â?? Mark R. Levin