[quote]nickj_777 wrote:
I am sorry but I have a hard time believing you are not slightly prejudicial against African Americans. You post memes about black mobs in convenience stores, stories of blacks burning themselves and accusing whites of committing the act in question, and sick stories about torture to whites committed by blacks. You try to agitate Prof. X by posting stories of black violence.
You start a thread going after Black history month.[/quote]
It doesn’t matter what I say I am you wish to convict me by your standards and in your mind only your standards matter. You perceive any discussion I initiate as prejudicial against African Americans. Learn to manage your emotions and keep to the facts.
I can’t help it if you wish to ignore the rising violent black murders and rapes against whites. Surely you will not attempt to say they are not growing in numbers and represent a pattern. Perhaps when one happens to your family you will grow a conscience and concede. If large numbers of Canadians began murdering and raping Americans believe me when I say I would post on it.
I started a thread that describes what I have experienced in real life, having to do with real people. You seem to believe I’m going to laborious attempts to agitate professor x.
I am against special months celebrating one specific groups history, especially when that group has more than it’s fair share of the media’s attention. If we are going to do one let us divide into our separate groups and divide up the year and do all so each group must listen to the other drone on about itself. You can think of an entire weeks worth of fun facts on Patricia Roberts Harris like my children did, while their math scores soured.
I suppose when judged by your standards it’s not racist to Hispanics, Indians or Asians that they can’t compete in the Miss Black USA pageant? http://www.missblackusa.org/ Blacks have obstacles to overcome and stereotypes to smash, but they mostly come from within.
I’m sorry that Muhammad Ali didn’t have the benefit of Black History Month, instead he had a dumb white local police officer Joe E. Martin help him. Ali could have gone so much further had their been Black History Month to help him with his self esteem.
Divide and conquer. Blacks certainly would sustain themselves without a Black history month. The Asians seem to thrive without one and they’re so much smaller.
It’s quite common when you take time to search for the Whiny, Needy White folk don’t love me crowds.
Here’s a pointer professor X, everyone ain’t gonna love you so get over it and quit calling it racism. Sometimes people don’t like you because you aren’t their type. Ain’t the world a sad place?
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You were trying to agitate right here. I agree Black History month has lost a lot of its meaning and should be taught in history classes as a whole until university. Yes there is growing numbers of African American violence as the DOJ reports. But what is your suggestion for handling it?
Obviously you work in law enforcement in some shape or form and the continual rise in black violence against whites is a problem. I understand you witness these crimes on a day to day basis and they probably shape your view and frustrate you. It is true asians do not commit many crimes but you have to see many asians from my countries where individual freedom and choice are never taught. A lot of asian countries have a history of confuscious values that value family and community before one’s own needs compared to the US where you have Classical liberalists such as John Locke. The Latinos historically adhere to judeo-christian religions that focus on guilt and shaming such as Catholicism. Native Americans focus on a culture of information sharing such as healing circles, reintegrative shaming, and restorative justice because they are communal in nature.
The blacks have had a culture that has been historically destroyed and fragmented. We should never condone the actions of those actions who try to hurt society ever. But whether you agree or not this issue of the fragmented black community needs to be addressed. They are vastly undereducated, they tend to live in poorer social conditions, they have higher rates of illiteracy, and higher drop out rates. You can say well it is there choice to drop out and live the way they do and it is true. But then do you want America to be nothing but a series of gated communities to get away from the social strife. We can blame the blacks for there own misgivings or we can try to deal with the situation. The US has acknowledge the historical scars on the black community and it was good and well intended but now comes the harder challenge which is to get them to be self reflective and choose to value family, education, individual initiatives, etc… This may take the form of faith based organizations or even public government run ones.
[quote]nickj_777 wrote:<<< Yes there is growing numbers of African American violence as the DOJ reports. But what is your suggestion for handling it?
[/quote]A known racist who I denounced myself was here a couple years ago and made what I took as the outrageous statement that black on white rape was 15,000 to NONE to white on black. I indignantly demanded that he document his clearly racist exaggeration. He proceeded to link me to a pdf file of FBI stats that proved exactly what he had said. 15,000 black n white rapes and not one white an black reported. The simple among us would shrug their shoulders and say: “waddaya expect? That’s what n*****s do”. I could not possibly disagree with them more. Let me ask you. Before we go off on WHAT the solution is, let me as you WHY black America is pickled in sickness and crime. Which it is. There’s just no denying it. Why?
I suspect you’ll tell me something like, everybody’s an instant criminal. Just add poverty.
[quote]nickj_777 wrote:<<< Yes there is growing numbers of African American violence as the DOJ reports. But what is your suggestion for handling it?
[/quote]A known racist who I denounced myself was here a couple years ago and made what I took as the outrageous statement that black on white rape was 15,000 to NONE to white on black. I indignantly demanded that he document his clearly racist exaggeration. He proceeded to link me to a pdf file of FBI stats that proved exactly what he had said. 15,000 black n white rapes and not one white an black reported. The simple among us would shrug their shoulders and say: “waddaya expect? That’s what n*****s do”. I could not possibly disagree with them more. Let me ask you. Before we go off on WHAT the solution is, let me as you WHY black America is pickled in sickness and crime. Which it is. There’s just no denying it. Why?
I suspect you’ll tell me something like, everybody’s an instant criminal. Just add poverty.
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There is whites who rape blacks because there is crimes that go unreported. We will never know the true crime figures because the dark figure of crime exists. There are those who simply do not get caught or those who are threatened to not report or those who do not want to inform the police. So we can take the stat that says No whites raping blacks with a little more suspicion.
Secondly, no poverty does not create crime but it creates an environment for it to develop. Why? because people have found that criminal means are a lucrative way to compensate for the lack of resources available in their environment.
There is whites who rape blacks because there is crimes that go unreported. [/quote]
Sad that even needed to be written.
Which is more likely…no white person has EVER raped a black person…or quite a few never hit the headlines?
If anything that points to a racist system in place to handle rapists (possibly social influence or even positions of authority leading to less reports)…not that white people are devoid of the ability to rape black people.
Some of the guys here are funny. It is amazing they really think like that.
Stats alone can be used anyway you want. Let’s use some common sense please along with them.
Also, what about all of those false rape reports? They don’t exist suddenly? It is impossible that the judicial system convicted more blacks whether an actual rape had taken place or not?
[quote]nickj_777 wrote:<<< There is whites who rape blacks because there is crimes that go unreported. We will never know the true crime figures because the dark figure of crime exists. There are those who simply do not get caught or those who are threatened to not report or those who do not want to inform the police. So we can take the stat that says No whites raping blacks with a little more suspicion. >>>[/quote]That’s an argument from silence, but I’ll grant you that I have a hard time buying there are NO white on black rapes at all. Let’s throw a thousand out there to be very generous in assuming from silence that one thousand white women were raped by black men and did not report it. Fair enough? That’s 15 to 1. Point changed? I didn’t think so. [quote]nickj_777 wrote:<<< Secondly, no poverty does not create crime but it creates an environment for it to develop. Why? because people have found that criminal means are a lucrative way to compensate for the lack of resources available in their environment. [/quote]Ok, so why then? I agree that poverty separates those who have character and values from those who don’t. I also agree that it certainly does not help. However, you haven’t told my why in my city, blacks are raping, murdering, robbing and torturing EACH OTHER,… daily, yet in my very black church right in the middle of that very same city, there are a few hundred particularly non rich black families where none of that is going on. Why? I just gave you the answer. Here’s a clue. Starts with an “F”.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, what about all of those false rape reports? They don’t exist suddenly? It is impossible that the judicial system convicted more blacks whether an actual rape had taken place or not?[/quote]Ok, 14 to 1.
There are ideas regarding some commit crime in impoverished areas and others do not.
Social bonds will help to understand why those who go to your church are not committing crimes.
Hirschi (1969) as, ?Elements of social bonding include attachment to families, commitment to social norms and institutions (school, church, employment), involvement in activities, and the belief that these things are important? (p.16). This theory is rooted and derived from the General Theory of Crime. Hirschi?s (1969) social bond theory emphasizes the fact that there is an absence of social attachments among juvenile delinquents. Since family, friends, and other members of our social networks affect our lives in many ways, we in turn are direct descendents of their actions
Why does poverty lead to higher rates of crime?
a) Shaw and McKay (1942) held that urban slum areas foster criminal behaviour through the generational transmission of deviant cultural value.
b) Merton (1938) the American obsession with economic success in particular, produced high levels of serious crime. “the United States places an unusual emphasis on economic success. Even more unique is how this emphasis seems to be universal. All members of American society, from the well-to-do to the impoverished, ascribe to the ?American dream? that if one were simply willing to work hard enough, one would inevitably reap the economic rewards of such labours. The problem, according to Merton, is that despite the widespread belief in the possibility of upward social mobility, the American social structure limits individuals? access to the goal of economic success through legitimate means. For example, while the probability of attaining economic success would be enhanced by getting a college education, not all members of American society are able to do so. Those lower on the socio-economic ladder are particularly vulnerable due to their relatively disadvantaged starting point in the race toward affluence.”
“Merton noted that the American culture, as stated above, places economic success at the pinnacle of social desirability. The emphasis on attaining economic success, however, is not matched by a concurrent normative emphasis on what ?means? are legitimate for reaching the desired ?goal.? This problem is then exacerbated by the social structural component discussed by Merton, which highlights the structural barriers that limit individuals? access to the legitimate means for attaining the goal of economic success. This disjunction between culturally ascribed goals (i.e., economic success) and the availability of legitimate means to attain such goals (i.e., social structural limits) in turn puts pressure on the cultural norms that guide what means should be used to achieve the culturally prescribed goal.”
Side note thanks Tiribulus for forcing me to recall and look up this I had forgotten I read this. Cheers.
Also…this is America in the year 2012. How many “ALL BLACK” or “ALL WHITE” people are there here? Some of you seem to use CULTURAL ISSUES as race issues.
That would make it a racist point of view.
I personally have nothing in common with some rapist or murder in another city just because we share a similar skin color…so why has this discussion focused on why black people are doing wrong…as if their skin color made them do it and not their culture/environment?
Somebody please help out my dear friend Professor X again. Please? I have to go to the aforementioned church now to rehearse for a presentation next week designed to promote and produce more faithful Christian families who do not release feral beasts into our midst disguised as children like all the unmarried whores of both sexes do here. He has his melanin colored glasses on again and I sincerely do not have time at the moment.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Somebody please help out my dear friend Professor X again. Please? I have to go to the aforementioned church now to rehearse for a presentation next week designed to promote and produce more faithful Christian families who do not release feral beasts into our midst disguised as children like all the unmarried whores of both sexes do here. He has his melanin colored glasses on again and I sincerely do not have time at the moment. [/quote]
It is cool that your are presenting on family values which is paramount in society. It is not cool that you say those who are born to unmarried parents are feral beasts disguised as children. Who are you to call someone an unmarried whore? What about openess and inclusivity instead of judging others and then maybe you will have others feel welcomed to hear your praise of how good Christianity is. You are not being a good ambassador for a religion this way.
What’s worse are these are often the types who roll their eyes at others in their own faith because they don’t think they are “christian” enough. Those types are the funniest. They don’t realize they are exactly what Jesus didn’t want.
[quote]nickj_777 wrote:<<< It is cool that your are presenting on family values which is paramount in society. >>>[/quote]“Paramount” is a dizzying understatement.[quote]nickj_777 wrote:<<< It is not cool that you say those who are born to unmarried parents are feral beasts disguised as children. >>>[/quote]You seem a fairly levelheaded fella so I will take that into a account when answering. I did not say that those born to unmarried parents were feral beasts. I said the feral beasts in our midst disguised as children were in the overwhelmingly vaaaaaast majority of cases the product of promiscuity which is not even arguable. Oops, I forgot. There’s no such thing as promiscuity anymore. All manner of whoredom imaginable is now simply free expression.[quote]nickj_777 wrote:<<< Who are you to call someone an unmarried whore? What about openess and inclusivity instead of judging others and then maybe you will have others feel welcomed to hear your praise of how good Christianity is. You are not being a good ambassador for a religion this way.[/quote]I believe this is a well intentioned though woefully inaccurate implied statement from a biblical standpoint. It’s not my function as a Christian to make anybody feel welcome nor to convince them how good Christianity is. My job is to tell them the truth in BIBLICAL love, which includes the command to declare God’s judgement of sin and to call them to repentance. Sex outside of the marriage covenant of one man and one woman for life is grievous and horrific sin. It is a direct attack on the covenant of Christ with His church that marriage exemplifies. The consequences of disobedience to these most fundamental of truths are Detroit. The bible makes that so manifestly and abundantly clear that the church universal for 2 millenia, Catholic, protestant and anybody else has unanimously agreed in this area.
Until 20th century America. And here we are. I’ve already explained why other libertine countries have not splattered on the same wall that we are. Also, The post modernist unbiblical, unchristian mantra of “DO NOT JUDGE” is just that. A post modern, unbiblical, unchristian mantra with zero basis in anything vaguely approaching sound biblical exegesis. I can tell you why, and you WILL be convinced, but this is not the thread.
I am now at the church with tons of work to do and will only have scattered time here and there for most of the day. AND, as usual, I owe a half dozen people responses already. I’ll do my best.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
What’s worse are these are often the types who roll their eyes at others in their own faith because they don’t think they are “christian” enough. Those types are the funniest. They don’t realize they are exactly what Jesus didn’t want.[/quote]Go to the Hijack Haven thread Doc and tell me what Jesus did and didn’t want. I’m asking honestly for your view.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
What’s worse are these are often the types who roll their eyes at others in their own faith because they don’t think they are “christian” enough. Those types are the funniest. They don’t realize they are exactly what Jesus didn’t want.[/quote]Go to the Hijack Haven thread Doc and tell me what Jesus did and didn’t want. I’m asking honestly for your view.
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I’m sure.
However, one thing I won’t do is sit an argue religion with you. I already see how your mind works. I don’t have to speak on all things Jesus was not in favor of to tell you that judgmental “Christians” who shout their self righteousness louder than their “kindly acts” can cover are one of them.
