[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
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I want an Irish History Month.
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You get an acute psychophrenia month. Say hi to God for me.[/quote]
lol
What did you mean by this [quote]"First, once again, divorce rates alone do not reflect the number of broken families. A father leaving a family would not register, not to mention using stats to form such a specific conclusion as you are.
Further, many more people stay single now. That doesn’t mean they lack values or that Black History Month is a negative. "[/quote] when you were answering SM’s assertion Doc? It sounded to me that you were conceding a broken family with an absentee father was bad. Now it seems that you have simply redefined “family” to include those who were never married or situations where the parents aren’t together. OR, you are seeking to ditch the idea of family altogether and just say that two people who have moved on to somebody/ies other than the parent of their children can still produce children just as healthy as ones wherein they have seen their parents dwelling together in a committed relationship and loving each other.
EDIT: Oh yeah, would you please send me an email at my screen name @ gmail.com? Lower case no numbers or anything. Just tiribulus. Long story, but I lost my mail server and I don’t have your address any more. PM’s don’t work either. It’s about the T-Cell. You have my word I am not pickling a fight with you and I already know your name. Have for several years remember and not one human being on this earth has ever learned it from me.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
From your first post: “As I write liberal educators already have in the works separate history courses to highlight African American…accomplishments.”
Let me see if I understand you correctly–you’re criticizing, for example, a college-level history course on the Civil Rights Movement?
If you are, then yes, my point stands–that’s a ridiculously naive, paranoid, stupid, and backwards point of view, and it very obviously comes from someone who knows literally nothing about higher education and the specialization of knowledge.[/quote]
You are not even close to understanding what I wrote and you didn’t quote me correctly.
I wrote in the first post of this thread “Let’s take history for example. As I write liberal educators already have in the works separate history courses to highlight African American, homosexual and transgender accomplishments so as not to make any feel less important. We are no longer a melting pot when liberals make those changes. How about just plain human American history?”
Now where do you come away with your statement “…criticizing, for example, a college-level history course on the Civil Rights Movement?” as being anything near what I posted?
I just got out of another thread with the sleaziest bunch of stoned porn addicts writing on a fifth grade level. Sometimes I am pleasantly surprised at the knowledge on T-Nation but this week has been an all time low, making this another thread where people are more concerned with being first responders then focusing on what is written.
Basic reading comprehension skills would be a plus before commenting.Where does Black History Month, Transgender and Homosexual History cross with college level classes on the Civil Rights Movement? This is a waste of my time. Stay out of my threads unless you understand them.
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
Where does Black History Month, Transgender and Homosexual History cross with college level classes on the Civil Rights Movement? This is a waste of my time. Stay out of my threads unless you understand them.
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Are you kidding?
“As I write liberal educators already have in the works separate history courses to highlight African American, homosexual and transgender accomplishments so as not to make any feel less important.”
Again: “Separate history courses to highlight African American…accomplishments.” [I exclude the part about LGBT classes because I tend to agree with you on that one, maybe a course or two but certainly not an entire major].
There is no way to read that sentence–the one you wrote–without coming away with the understanding that you are against black history courses. Literally, no way to do it.
Or did you misstate your position?
Let’s have Professor X history day. Here I’ll start:
[b]Aside from being related to a very famous public figure whose name would be instantly known to every member of T-Nation, Professor X received his Bachelor of Science Degree in biology. Widening his education, he then earned his Doctorate of Dental Surgery from the University of Texas Health Science Center’s Dental school from which he graduated in 200_. Prior to his career in dentistry, Professor X served honorably as a captain in the United States Air Force, flying 68 sorties with 82 confirmed kills (ok I made that last part up =] )
Professor X strives to continually provide his patients with outstanding care and the most advanced and effective dental techniques available. He is a proud provider of, fast, safe, and affordable braces of the highest quality to adults and children in the __________, Texas area.
Professor X is practicing orthodontics as a general dentist and makes a ton more money than I ever have and probably ever will. He has also distinguished himself in his chosen passion of bodybuilding having worked (and eaten) himself from a rather slightly built teenager to a walking zip code as a now thirty something man. Oh yeah. He’s black too.[/b]
I recognize that as a hard working, intelligent and praiseworthy thus far life of productivity and achievement for and about which any parents would be proud. He just got far more recognition than he ever will during black history month.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
Where does Black History Month, Transgender and Homosexual History cross with college level classes on the Civil Rights Movement? This is a waste of my time. Stay out of my threads unless you understand them.
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Are you kidding?
“As I write liberal educators already have in the works separate history courses to highlight African American, homosexual and transgender accomplishments so as not to make any feel less important.”
Again: “Separate history courses to highlight African American…accomplishments.” [I exclude the part about LGBT classes because I tend to agree with you on that one, maybe a course or two but certainly not an entire major].
There is no way to read that sentence–the one you wrote–without coming away with the understanding that you are against black history courses. Literally, no way to do it.
Or did you misstate your position?[/quote]
I’m not talking about eliminating what we already teach in American history.
I don’t feel the necessity at this date and time to continue Black History Month anymore than they would feel we need a White History Month. The same goes for Transgender and Homosexual classes to highlight their accomplishments although that’s exactly what the American public educational system is preparing.
What do you feel is important about Black History Month? Do you believe that it makes blacks feel better about themselves? How so?
What about past greats like Martin Luther King Jr., Jackie Robinson or Muhammad Ali? Did they miss out on something because they did not have a Black History Month when they were growing up?
You think that whites succeed in greater number because of??
I fail to see why we need to know if the first man on the moon was a homosexual. He wasn’t to my knowledge and I don’t feel any better as a heterosexual male to know that Neil Armsrtrong was attracted to the opposite sex. Does that make any sense. I don’t know how else to express this.
At this juncture of our nations history we have a black president in his second term, one of the most beloved and richest talk show hosts is a black woman Oprah Winfrey. Blacks can do anything they wish, go anywhere they wish, support anyone they wish financially etc…
To repeat professor x’s point of “what date did we win?” there is no date. Life is an up and down struggle. If he is expecting a date where 99% of whites sign a petition to say we love all blacks, that date will never come. So what is it he thinks has yet to happen that has not happened before he considers blacks have won?
What do you want us to all get on boats to Europe and leave them the keys?
P.S. Tell us professor x how many congressmen can f__K up like jessie jacklson jr. and be mentally ill and still win reelection from the Mayo Clinic?
How about Marion Barry the crack head mayor of crack city Washington D.C., run as a black and you can win reelection. What date are you waiting for? And when does White History Month begin in 2013? That’s what I thought.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I know you better than just what’s in this thread. You’ve told me and everybody else what you think and believe. I’m taking you at your word and assuming a bit of consistency for the rest. I said that early on. I couldn’t care less about ANY history month. Black or… whatever. It’s an idiotic though in many cases well intentioned concession to a mindset that only perpetuates the real issues of division while pretending to promote equality. I’m not really against it so much as I just don’t care. I don’t require a government mandate to recognize who anybody is or what they’ve done.[/quote]
LOL. All you have to do is quote what I write. You don’t do that. You TELL me what I think and TELL me what I believe. That is what bigots do based on stereotypes. I have been telling you that you are wrong…but apparently, you know how I think better than I do.
LOL at the elitism disguised as passive aggressive victimization.
[quote]squating_bear wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am challenging your concept of the significance of marriage itself over the concept of the environment being more important than the marriage license.
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Then you’re still not really getting at the meat of there attempted points
An environment with more marriages is different than an environment without.[/quote]
So what? We are a society of individuals. Society changes with time. Marriage itself is not the salvation of the children. Good stable relationships are and giving the idea that everyone needs to be married assumes the marriage itself should be the goal.
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Them having a point here does not disprove everything you’ve said. And it has nothing to do with Black History Month.
…cool?[/quote]
I made a very specific point about Black History Month. Why would you or anyone else ignore that to argue about why I posted in the thread?
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
What did you mean by this [quote]"First, once again, divorce rates alone do not reflect the number of broken families. A father leaving a family would not register, not to mention using stats to form such a specific conclusion as you are.
Further, many more people stay single now. That doesn’t mean they lack values or that Black History Month is a negative. "[/quote] when you were answering SM’s assertion Doc? It sounded to me that you were conceding a broken family with an absentee father was bad. Now it seems that you have simply redefined “family” to include those who were never married or situations where the parents aren’t together. OR, you are seeking to ditch the idea of family altogether and just say that two people who have moved on to somebody/ies other than the parent of their children can still produce children just as healthy as ones wherein they have seen their parents dwelling together in a committed relationship and loving each other.
EDIT: Oh yeah, would you please send me an email at my screen name @ gmail.com? Lower case no numbers or anything. Just tiribulus. Long story, but I lost my mail server and I don’t have your address any more. PM’s don’t work either. It’s about the T-Cell. You have my word I am not pickling a fight with you and I already know your name. Have for several years remember and not one human being on this earth has ever learned it from me.[/quote]
I have been very clear through this. I am saying that people do not need to be MARRIED to raise kids in a loving environment with a father and mother. You have literally stated this is impossible.
I cant help it that you all are this easy to hold a point of view against.
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
Where does Black History Month, Transgender and Homosexual History cross with college level classes on the Civil Rights Movement? This is a waste of my time. Stay out of my threads unless you understand them.
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Are you kidding?
“As I write liberal educators already have in the works separate history courses to highlight African American, homosexual and transgender accomplishments so as not to make any feel less important.”
Again: “Separate history courses to highlight African American…accomplishments.” [I exclude the part about LGBT classes because I tend to agree with you on that one, maybe a course or two but certainly not an entire major].
There is no way to read that sentence–the one you wrote–without coming away with the understanding that you are against black history courses. Literally, no way to do it.
Or did you misstate your position?[/quote]
I’m not talking about eliminating what we already teach in American history.
I don’t feel the necessity at this date and time to continue Black History Month anymore than they would feel we need a White History Month. The same goes for Transgender and Homosexual classes to highlight their accomplishments although that’s exactly what the American public educational system is preparing.
What do you feel is important about Black History Month? Do you believe that it makes blacks feel better about themselves? How so?
What about past greats like Martin Luther King Jr., Jackie Robinson or Muhammad Ali? Did they miss out on something because they did not have a Black History Month when they were growing up?
You think that whites succeed in greater number because of??
I fail to see why we need to know if the first man on the moon was a homosexual. He wasn’t to my knowledge and I don’t feel any better as a heterosexual male to know that Neil Armsrtrong was attracted to the opposite sex. Does that make any sense. I don’t know how else to express this.
At this juncture of our nations history we have a black president in his second term, one of the most beloved and richest talk show hosts is a black woman Oprah Winfrey. Blacks can do anything they wish, go anywhere they wish, support anyone they wish financially etc…
To repeat professor x’s point of “what date did we win?” there is no date. Life is an up and down struggle. If he is expecting a date where 99% of whites sign a petition to say we love all blacks, that date will never come. So what is it he thinks has yet to happen that has not happened before he considers blacks have won?
What do you want us to all get on boats to Europe and leave them the keys?
P.S. Tell us professor x how many congressmen can f__K up like jessie jacklson jr. and be mentally ill and still win reelection from the Mayo Clinic?
How about Marion Barry the crack head mayor of crack city Washington D.C., run as a black and you can win reelection. What date are you waiting for? And when does White History Month begin in 2013? That’s what I thought.
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As I’m sure you can figure out from the plain and unambiguous language I’ve been using in my posts, I was attacking your comment about “separate history courses to highlight African American achievements.” If you want to backpedal and change the subject, fine. It’s probably your best strategy at this point, because to defend that comment would be extremely stupid. But this has nothing to do with Black History Month, which I find to be gimmicky and almost demeaning to blacks and also barely worth arguing about.
So, again, because I feel like I have to repeat myself a lot in this particular thread: I’m not talking about Black History Month. I’m talking about your comment about black history courses.
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
From your first post: “As I write liberal educators already have in the works separate history courses to highlight African American…accomplishments.”
Let me see if I understand you correctly–you’re criticizing, for example, a college-level history course on the Civil Rights Movement?
If you are, then yes, my point stands–that’s a ridiculously naive, paranoid, stupid, and backwards point of view, and it very obviously comes from someone who knows literally nothing about higher education and the specialization of knowledge.[/quote]
You are not even close to understanding what I wrote and you didn’t quote me correctly.
I wrote in the first post of this thread “Let’s take history for example. As I write liberal educators already have in the works separate history courses to highlight African American, homosexual and transgender accomplishments so as not to make any feel less important. We are no longer a melting pot when liberals make those changes. How about just plain human American history?”
Now where do you come away with your statement “…criticizing, for example, a college-level history course on the Civil Rights Movement?” as being anything near what I posted?
I just got out of another thread with the sleaziest bunch of stoned porn addicts writing on a fifth grade level. Sometimes I am pleasantly surprised at the knowledge on T-Nation but this week has been an all time low, making this another thread where people are more concerned with being first responders then focusing on what is written.
Basic reading comprehension skills would be a plus before commenting.Where does Black History Month, Transgender and Homosexual History cross with college level classes on the Civil Rights Movement? This is a waste of my time. Stay out of my threads unless you understand them.
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Smh23 has a graduate degree from an Ivy. Do you have a graduate degree from an Ivy? If anything, your posts are the ones plagued with logical fallacies and shaky reasoning, certainly not his. It seems that those with the most vitriol towards Academia are the ones most in need of its instruction.
[quote]Legionary wrote:
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
From your first post: “As I write liberal educators already have in the works separate history courses to highlight African American…accomplishments.”
Let me see if I understand you correctly–you’re criticizing, for example, a college-level history course on the Civil Rights Movement?
If you are, then yes, my point stands–that’s a ridiculously naive, paranoid, stupid, and backwards point of view, and it very obviously comes from someone who knows literally nothing about higher education and the specialization of knowledge.[/quote]
You are not even close to understanding what I wrote and you didn’t quote me correctly.
I wrote in the first post of this thread “Let’s take history for example. As I write liberal educators already have in the works separate history courses to highlight African American, homosexual and transgender accomplishments so as not to make any feel less important. We are no longer a melting pot when liberals make those changes. How about just plain human American history?”
Now where do you come away with your statement “…criticizing, for example, a college-level history course on the Civil Rights Movement?” as being anything near what I posted?
I just got out of another thread with the sleaziest bunch of stoned porn addicts writing on a fifth grade level. Sometimes I am pleasantly surprised at the knowledge on T-Nation but this week has been an all time low, making this another thread where people are more concerned with being first responders then focusing on what is written.
Basic reading comprehension skills would be a plus before commenting.Where does Black History Month, Transgender and Homosexual History cross with college level classes on the Civil Rights Movement? This is a waste of my time. Stay out of my threads unless you understand them.
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Smh23 has a graduate degree from an Ivy. Do you have a graduate degree from an Ivy? If anything, your posts are the ones plagued with logical fallacies and shaky reasoning, certainly not his. It seems that those with the most vitriol towards Academia are the ones most in need of its instruction.[/quote]
George Bush has an Ivy League diploma. But that doesn’t mean much to you does it? If you don’t have anything to actually contribute to a thread, then just don’t bother posting in it.
If I believed several of you had an Ivy League degree I would have mentioned power plants, genetically modified fruits, new pharmaceuticals, food irrigation, oil, or guns with plastic frames to get you to leave the forums and go demonstrate.
We could probably get a crowd of liberal protesters to scatter just by coming at them with a modern vacuum cleaner. It certainly works on dogs and cats.
Just ignore all words inside threads as you and your keen buddies do and answer questions with questions or attack those you disagree with as less than you (you get it - racists or hate groups). Then complain that the thread title is idiotic, YOU CAN’T MAKE THIS STUFF UP.
Get back down on your level because you still don’t understand what is about to take place. I do, my avatar has something to do with my line of work.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
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One gold star for witticisms next to your name.
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
my avatar has something to do with my line of work.
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Your wandering, paranoid posts and inability to form coherent arguments or address very specific questions have always said to me, “you know what, this guy must be a suave ladies man badass superspy.”
And by the way, people who actually work in jobs like the one you just alluded to having don’t hint about it on internet forums.
And finally: I’ll ask a last time. Were you or were you not criticizing black history courses when you said [AND THIS IS A QUOTE FROM YOUR FIRST POST]: "“As I write liberal educators already have in the works separate history courses to highlight African American accomplishments.”
Again, and read this slowly: is that not a criticism of black history courses?
Please take notice: an appropriate answer to this post will contain either a “yes” or a “no” and hopefully a relevant explanation.
An answer that is not appropriate will: begin with a meme, wander through conservative talking points, mention socialism, mention Communism, contain strange predictions of impending doom, contain long diatribes copied and pasted from unknown source material, etc.
This is how discussions work. I’m asking you about something you said. I repeat: SOMETHING YOU SAID. NOT SOMETHING I BROUGHT UP OUT OF NOWHERE, BUT SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID. You can either answer it or stop babbling.
I just want a girl who will let me play with little plastic army men on her breasts
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
my avatar has something to do with my line of work.
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Your wandering, paranoid posts and inability to form coherent arguments or address very specific questions have always said to me, “you know what, this guy must be a suave ladies man badass superspy.”
And by the way, people who actually work in jobs like the one you just alluded to having don’t hint about it on internet forums.
And finally: I’ll ask a last time. Were you or were you not criticizing black history courses when you said [AND THIS IS A QUOTE FROM YOUR FIRST POST]: "“As I write liberal educators already have in the works separate history courses to highlight African American accomplishments.”
Again, and read this slowly: is that not a criticism of black history courses?
Please take notice: an appropriate answer to this post will contain either a “yes” or a “no” and hopefully a relevant explanation.
An answer that is not appropriate will: begin with a meme, wander through conservative talking points, mention socialism, mention Communism, contain strange predictions of impending doom, contain long diatribes copied and pasted from unknown source material, etc.
This is how discussions work. I’m asking you about something you said. I repeat: SOMETHING YOU SAID. NOT SOMETHING I BROUGHT UP OUT OF NOWHERE, BUT SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID. You can either answer it or stop babbling.[/quote]
No one wins here.
You are the wanderer, remember? http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/student_told_to_leave_classroom_for_wearing_romney_shirt?id=5393512&pageNo=3
You are talking about criticizing Black History Classes. I’m talking about the make believe “Black History Month” and why there is no need any longer. End of discussion. You fail to identify our thread topic.
As for your comment “And by the way, people who actually work in jobs like the one you just alluded to having don’t hint about it on internet forums.” I have neighbors that know who I am and where I work, why would I care whether you know? If I had something to hide I wouldn’t have mentioned it. You think I’m worried someone is going to find out I work for the government? I’m fine thank you. You don’t think secret service agents have neighbors or friends?
I’m mostly a family man with daughters so I don’t bother wearing a cummerbund or being suave these days.
Let’s stop being a dick okay kid? Happy lifting.
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
You are talking about criticizing Black History Classes. I’m talking about the make believe “Black History Month” and why there is no need any longer. End of discussion. You fail to identify our thread topic.
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I’m starting to wonder if you’re doing this on purpose. I quoted YOU. YOU wrote about “history courses designed to highlight African American accomplishments.” Are you saying you have no problem with that? Are you saying you shouldn’t have brought it up in the first post? Why did you write it if you don’t want to talk about it?
You can’t write things and then pretend you didn’t write them when someone points out that what you wrote was wrong.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]squating_bear wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am challenging your concept of the significance of marriage itself over the concept of the environment being more important than the marriage license.
[/quote]
Then you’re still not really getting at the meat of there attempted points
An environment with more marriages is different than an environment without.[/quote]
So what? We are a society of individuals. Society changes with time. Marriage itself is not the salvation of the children. Good stable relationships are and giving the idea that everyone needs to be married assumes the marriage itself should be the goal.
[/quote]There may be that assumption from many people
Society of individuals or not - how long does it take for an idea like marriage to dissipate?
Marriage is down, education is down, crime is up. I would imagine these to be interrelated.
Good stable relationships vs. marriage is not my style of argument. What you say might work on an individual case by case basis - but I don’t think that’s where all the marriages went.
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Them having a point here does not disprove everything you’ve said. And it has nothing to do with Black History Month.
…cool?[/quote]
I made a very specific point about Black History Month. Why would you or anyone else ignore that to argue about why I posted in the thread?[/quote]
I didn’t argue about why you posted in the thread - if that’s what you were implying.
But I did consider it - thought about arguing with Tirib actually, but didn’t take the time to do so
Do I remember correctly reading something from you about basically living in the ghetto so you could be a living, breathing, approachable role model? Like the opposite of when Tirib said your focus on race pulls you down? Like, instead - you can use it to pull other people up? Or maybe I’m wrong on that
You have confused me, are you the one that wrote this or are you pretending:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
You are talking about criticizing Black History Classes. I’m talking about the make believe “Black History Month” and why there is no need any longer. End of discussion. You fail to identify our thread topic.
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I’m starting to wonder if you’re doing this on purpose. I quoted YOU. YOU wrote about “history courses designed to highlight African American accomplishments.” Are you saying you have no problem with that? Are you saying you shouldn’t have brought it up in the first post? Why did you write it if you don’t want to talk about it?
You can’t write things and then pretend you didn’t write them when someone points out that what you wrote was wrong.[/quote]