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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
I don’t hate Barack Obama personally. I’ve even said that on occasion I’ve found him pleasant and likable. However he represents everything that is rotting this nation from the inside out, especially for black people.

I’m curious as to how Obama stands for everything that is bad for black people…and what by YOUR definition is best for black people?

See now there’s your problem.

There is no such thing as what is best for black people as opposed to any other people. The principles of self determination and responsibility whereby one achieves whatever they can, or can’t, by their own abilities unencumbered or aided by anyone else through force of law is what made this country great for white people.

If you truly believe this…then your comment above: "However he represents everything that is rotting this nation from the inside out, especially for black people." should not have specified anyone.

With that,you’re implying there is also what is best for black people…or am I just misquoting you?

Whatever “my problem is” was sparked by following your line of argument…nothing more.

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We have now arrived at the point where a very alarming percentage of black people, trained by decades of destructive condescending nanny state liberalism, view, not themselves, not their family, not even their God, but Barack Obama as the determiner of their futures.

You’re actually starting to sound full of yourself with that rant.

It is pathetic and heartbreaking. Not even actual pre civil war slavery was as effective at destroying their spirit. Once you get a man to voluntarily surrender he’s lost in earnest. Slavery was unable to do that. Liberalism has.

That is the reason (one of em anyway) I view it as EVIL of the most genuine kind and those who propound it as wrong at best and sinister at worst.

You’re trying to tell me that liberalism has done more damage for black people than slavery ever could have?

So what did black people voluntarily surrender away…that was more valuable than freedom?? The thing that you hold closest to your own heart.

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Let me clarify.

White people worked hard to move up the social ladder. In doing so, they learned the value of hard work to get somewhere in life. Liberal policies are giving people of lower income these handouts to ensure they keep getting their vote.

These people of lower income (which just so happen to be where most black people fall) grow up depending on these handouts, thinking they are entitled to them, which makes it harder for them to value the idea of hard work to get ahead.

It’s like the scene in Remember the Titans, where the white coach keeps coddling the player who doesn’t like to get yelled at. Denzel Washington says something along the lines of “You’re not helping this kid, you’re crippling him.”

Btw, I think Tirib does an excellent job in these PWI forums, as well as Zap. My hat goes off to each of you gentlemen.

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The Republicans are responsible for the outcome of the election. It just never occured to them. That stepping on the little people to get rich. Making low income people struggle for health care and a better life. Allowing the rich to steal from the working class and go unpunished. Would catch up with them.

The fact that someone found a way “the internet” to contact “The People” and rally them around a new way of looking at things. Has caught the republicans flat footed. This new way of campaigning is about to change the political future of American elections.

The republicans are scared and rightfully so. They have encountered a man with a vision of how the future is going to be. Obama has his finger on the pulse of the nation.

He has spoken and the citizens of America have heard him. They like what he has to say. They are willing to follow his lead as he takes the nation into the future.

The next four years are going to be very interesting. If Obama keeps his internet contacts in the loop. He will have a weapon to use against the Senate. Send the masses to carry the message loud and clear. Yes Republicans, you should be afraid, very afraid.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
I don’t hate Barack Obama personally. I’ve even said that on occasion I’ve found him pleasant and likable. However he represents everything that is rotting this nation from the inside out, especially for black people.

I’m curious as to how Obama stands for everything that is bad for black people…and what by YOUR definition is best for black people?

See now there’s your problem.

There is no such thing as what is best for black people as opposed to any other people. The principles of self determination and responsibility whereby one achieves whatever they can, or can’t, by their own abilities unencumbered or aided by anyone else through force of law is what made this country great for white people.

If you truly believe this…then your comment above: "However he represents everything that is rotting this nation from the inside out, especially for black people." should not have specified anyone.

With that,you’re implying there is also what is best for black people…or am I just misquoting you?

Whatever “my problem is” was sparked by following your line of argument…nothing more.

EDIT

We have now arrived at the point where a very alarming percentage of black people, trained by decades of destructive condescending nanny state liberalism, view, not themselves, not their family, not even their God, but Barack Obama as the determiner of their futures.

You’re actually starting to sound full of yourself with that rant.

It is pathetic and heartbreaking. Not even actual pre civil war slavery was as effective at destroying their spirit. Once you get a man to voluntarily surrender he’s lost in earnest. Slavery was unable to do that. Liberalism has.

That is the reason (one of em anyway) I view it as EVIL of the most genuine kind and those who propound it as wrong at best and sinister at worst.

You’re trying to tell me that liberalism has done more damage for black people than slavery ever could have?

So what did black people voluntarily surrender away…that was more valuable than freedom?? The thing that you hold closest to your own heart.

Let me clarify.

White people worked hard to move up the social ladder. In doing so, they learned the value of hard work to get somewhere in life. Liberal policies are giving people of lower income these handouts to ensure they keep getting their vote. These people of lower income (which just so happen to be where most black people fall) grow up depending on these handouts, thinking they are entitled to them, which makes it harder for them to value the idea of hard work to get ahead.

It’s like the scene in Remember the Titans, where the white coach keeps coddling the player who doesn’t like to get yelled at. Denzel Washington says something along the lines of “You’re not helping this kid, you’re crippling him.”

Btw, I think Tirib does an excellent job in these PWI forums, as well as Zap. My hat goes off to each of you gentlemen.
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I see your points,but too much generalization and assumption takes place when discussing this issue. Plus,this doesn’t clarify the specific questions I asked either.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

I see your points,but too much generalization and assumption takes place when discussing this issue. Plus,this doesn’t clarify the specific questions I asked either.[/quote]

I think your specific questions arose from a misunderstanding as to what Tirib was trying to say. Hence the clarification. I could be wrong though, I’m sure he’ll let us know if I was.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:

I see your points,but too much generalization and assumption takes place when discussing this issue. Plus,this doesn’t clarify the specific questions I asked either.

I think your specific questions arose from a misunderstanding as to what Tirib was trying to say. Hence the clarification. I could be wrong though, I’m sure he’ll let us know if I was.[/quote]

Well…I hope so…I’m just trying understand his angle…nothing personal.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
<<< If you truly believe this…then your comment above: "However he represents everything that is rotting this nation from the inside out, especially for black people." should not have specified anyone.[/quote]

See now there’s your second problem =]

“Especially for black people” was referring to destruction which this government has shown itself highly efficient in accomplishing. There are no principles that are best for anybody in particular, but there sure are some that are worse depending on what they’ve been fed.

I only specify black people because a larger percentage of them as a demographic have been harmed than any other.

Also this is in no way a symptom of being black, but rather a symptom of being human as I’ve also said 100 times as well. Many humans when allowed or especially encouraged to do so will let you take care of them.

Blacks were and are a neon target for this, a ready made base because of their history in this country. People like me want them treated as equally capable and worthy. People like Obama view them as victims and votes.

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
<<< You’re actually starting to sound full of yourself with that rant. >>>[/quote]

Sorry

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
<<< You’re trying to tell me that liberalism has done more damage for black people than slavery ever could have? [/quote]

It depends on your standards. Slavery entombed their bodies and to a degree their intellects, but never succeeded in taking the heart out of the black race on this continent. Genuine violent southern racism through the 20th century drove black families to each other and ironically their churches preached a much purer Christian faith than the ones of their oppressors.

They were discriminated against on every level, beaten, raped bombed, lynched and murdered and none of that could destroy their families, their characters or their faith. A towering display of strength and inspiration that rivals and maybe surpasses that of our founders.

Ever since we started “helping” them their families have been decimated, KABOOM, vamoose. They regularly rob, rape and murder EACH OTHER. Their children know nothing, NAH-THING of the character and strength of generations past beyond the fact that they were victims and their victimizers now owe them.

If character is your standard then YES, slavery and oppression made them stronger. Liberalism has secured their surrender and we are all worse off for the contributions lost by those who could have been so much more had we just de-institutionalized racism and let them freely join us. Whatever problems that would have caused could not have been worse than this.

Viewed in that light they are less free now than they were then.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:

I see your points,but too much generalization and assumption takes place when discussing this issue. Plus,this doesn’t clarify the specific questions I asked either.

I think your specific questions arose from a misunderstanding as to what Tirib was trying to say. Hence the clarification. I could be wrong though, I’m sure he’ll let us know if I was.[/quote]

No that’s pretty close.

Also Big Boss is correct in that I am not referring to every black person, but if I go out my front door right now and walk 2 blocks I am in Detroit City, the blackest big city in America.

It is an unbridaled disaster area and a 143 sq. mile object lesson in everything I’ve just said. A murderous shithole of depravity and sickness. The crowning achievement of collectivist liberalism in this country.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I am in Detroit City, the blackest big city in America.

It is an unbridaled disaster area and a 143 sq. mile object lesson in everything I’ve just said. A murderous shithole of depravity and sickness. The crowning achievement of collectivist liberalism in this country.[/quote]

I feel for you…lol. One of my best friends is from Detroit…I went there with him few years back…I had lock jaw from witnessing what you describe…hence why his family is in Texas now.

But in all fairness…Obama is no Kilpatrick.

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I like how you can look at a situation and pick out one precise reason… never mind the fact that things occur in context.

While the past is indeed the past, I’d imagine it will be even more so now. It has been demonstrated that there are no barriers – which is a significant event as we can see by all the emotion and reaction that has happened.

Be blind and/or ignorant if you wish, it makes no difference.

Whether or not we have to live through a period that is more left than some would like, the world is not going to end. Any taxes raised can once again be lowered. The same is true for those of us groaning about Bush for the last decade. Policies of his that have been misguided can be reversed.

That’s the way it happens… swinging back and forth between parties as times dictate. Panic if you must… it’s a waste of your time but you are free to do so.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
I like how you can look at a situation and pick out one precise reason… never mind the fact that things occur in context.

While the past is indeed the past, I’d imagine it will be even more so now. It has been demonstrated that there are no barriers – which is a significant event as we can see by all the emotion and reaction that has happened.

Be blind and/or ignorant if you wish, it makes no difference.

Whether or not we have to live through a period that is more left than some would like, the world is not going to end. Any taxes raised can once again be lowered. The same is true for those of us groaning about Bush for the last decade. Policies of his that have been misguided can be reversed.

That’s the way it happens… swinging back and forth between parties as times dictate. Panic if you must… it’s a waste of your time but you are free to do so.[/quote]

Thank you so much for that.

It’s all clear now.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
I am in Detroit City, the blackest big city in America.

It is an unbridaled disaster area and a 143 sq. mile object lesson in everything I’ve just said. A murderous shithole of depravity and sickness. The crowning achievement of collectivist liberalism in this country.

I feel for you…lol. One of my best friends is from Detroit…I went there with him few years back…I had lock jaw from witnessing what you describe…hence why his family is in Texas now.

But in all fairness…Obama is no Kilpatrick.

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The city is in ruins. Beirut might be in better shape.

Forgetting about politics for a second, Kilpatrick is just a disgraceful human being and the very last thing this city needed.

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[quote]mjnewland wrote:
Trib, how about listing the exact ideologies that we have fought on and off the battlefield that Obama subscribes to?

HH: What does LMAO mean? I’m new here.

You know, I never called you guys bigots. I said that what you were saying was thinly veiled racist rhetoric. I havent read enough of your junk to pass judgement on you personally, and if I had, I still wouldn’t pass judgement on you personally. I was talking about your ideas. so stop being meanies to me. or i’ll tell your mom.

In the meantime, I’d sure like to discuss some SPECIFIC examples/details of the satanist/muslim/communist/socialist/screaming lefty/pinko stuff you guys keep talking about that are so certain to destroy our union. You make judgements, but what are they based on? Talk about something real for fuck’s sake.
OL[/quote]

why don’t you go read some of the threads here before asking people to repost things that have beaten to death on this forum.

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uhh, cuz it wasn’t on this thread, and this thread is the only place I’ve been on the politics forum.

I started the thread because I thought it was pretty cool how far we’ve come as a nation in the last 100 years. We’ve gone from blacks can’t vote to a black man voted in as president. I still think its pretty cool.

I just got a little surprised by the amount of bile here. I see this as a defining and historic moment for the union, and I get a lot of “Obama is the antichrist” shit.

And also, make your argument when you’re arguing. I didn’t tell you to look up my history to know where I’m coming from.

Finally, I guess I missed some speeches, but I don’t recall Obama or Biden talking about poor downtrodden black folks and the nasty white meanies. What they talk about is lifting up the part of the population that needs lifting up.

Remember, the responsibility of great strength is to help those without great strength, hence my comments about the little guy.

OL

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[quote]mjnewland wrote:
<<< I started the thread because I thought it was pretty cool how far we’ve come as a nation in the last 100 years. We’ve gone from blacks can’t vote to a black man voted in as president. I still think its pretty cool. >>>[/quote]

If bare race is your only criteria then yeah, it’s real cool.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Headhunter wrote:

One of my student’s dad owns a store in Cleveland. Three businesses right by him were looted and burned. The dad sat in his store all night, with a gun.

Welcome to Obamaland…the rule of the unthinking mob, the rule of those who vote yet are immune to facts, as long as they get ‘change’.

I suspect the change they’ll get very soon is coins while begging.

And of course hurricanes and tornadoes will be Obama’s fault,too…so how’s the move to Colorado coming along!?[/quote]

Well according to most of the retards in thsi countrythey were Bush’s fault it is only fair.

seriously to call someone unamerican when they were taught in another country and had numerous associations with known terrorists and haters of american policy. Isn’t too far of a stretch.

I believe it was Obama that said " America is the greatest nation in the World… I can’t wait to change it."

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[quote]apbt55 wrote:
And of course hurricanes and tornadoes will be Obama’s fault,too…so how’s the move to Colorado coming along!?

Well according to most of the retards in this country they were Bush’s fault it is only fair.
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Only stupid people blame presidents for natural disasters…just as its stupid and ignorant to tell the victims that they deserve what they got…ask HeadHunter/ArynRandLuvr:
http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/music_movies_girls_life/ike_is_a_coming?id=2481563&pageNo=1

So what else isn’t too far of a stretch to label a U.S. citizen as “un-American?”…or a terrorist?

America has been changing to something else for a while…look around.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
<<< So what else isn’t too far of a stretch to label a U.S. citizen as “un-American?”…or a terrorist? >>>[/quote]

Timothy McVeigh was a US citizen

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
<<< So what else isn’t too far of a stretch to label a U.S. citizen as “un-American?”…or a terrorist? >>>

Timothy McVeigh was a US citizen[/quote]

Yep…a bronze star earning soldier who served his country.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
<<< So what else isn’t too far of a stretch to label a U.S. citizen as “un-American?”…or a terrorist? >>>

Timothy McVeigh was a US citizen

Yep…a bronze star earning soldier who served his country.[/quote]

OK, so being a legal US citizen does not preclude the possibility of being her enemy.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
<<< So what else isn’t too far of a stretch to label a U.S. citizen as “un-American?”…or a terrorist? >>>

Timothy McVeigh was a US citizen

Yep…a bronze star earning soldier who served his country.

OK, so being a legal US citizen does not preclude the possibility of being her enemy.[/quote]

Of course…just as living…being educated…or studying abroad in other countries doesn’t include you as being her enemy either.