I saw that. Thought it was a KKK poster. That’s one of the most white supremacist things I’ve seen in some time. Hard work, self sufficiency, and rational thinking are white traits. Blacks don’t work hard or consider cause and effect. OMG. It’s amazing how it seems like ultimately identity politics on both ends of the spectrum leads to the same place.
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Yes, and BLM realizes this which is why they want communism. It manifests itself in the “professionalism is white supremacy” thinking.
Yes, I believe the cop was convicted. Officer Rolfe was charged with murder. However after the altercation brooks ran, at THIS point he was shot. After firing the taser he took off… Imagine doing this after consuming like… eight drinks.
I’m sure these guys were assaulting cops
https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/gv3qu8/police_attacking_peaceful_protesters_in/
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gtzlye/how_the_police_handle_peaceful_protestors/
I can link like 100 of these videos…
It does in Aus and many European countries. A taser isn’t a knife… it’s a stun gun (granted they can be lethal if one is predisposed/has an existing rhythm disorder). There has to be legitimate reason to believe the officers life is at stake to use lethal force. A suspect running away doesn’t meet that belief (not talking about the USA).
Once again, only really applies to America. In Aus no one is breaking into your house with a taser or a gun unless you’re affiliated with organised crime. As a counterargument, are rubber bullets not an option? Why are live rounds a pre-requisite for self defence?
Not biased at all, I apply the same standards of self defence that apply to citizens here. It’s an eye for an eye, not a gun for a nerf gun. Why not tase the suspect back? Call for backup? What about tear gas? Or let it go, apprehend later? You are amenable to your own opinion just as I’m amenable to mine.
No, but I also know everyone has their own story… this isn’t always as black and white as it may seem. I haven’t read the transcript from his case, nor do I know the full details thus I have no real comment to make. My quotes weren’t in relation to Brooks specifically, it was a generalisation.
We have bikie gangs, cartels, sudanese gangs and more. The brutality inflicted upon others via some of the crimes committed by these groups is astounding. Look up the Sydney gang rapes for reference. It’s unlikely you’ll get shot in Australia walking around, but we def have neighbourhoods where walking around at night isn’t safe (you can/will get jumped and gravely injured, but it’s common sense to avoid said areas alone at night). Perhaps not to the level of Baltimore, but many seem to think the entirety of Australia is safer than it is. Generally Aus is very safe, but certain neighbourhoods/subsets of towns are far more dangerous than many would think. Lots of rural towns have horrendous issues with methamphetamine.
Generally Aus is far safer than the USA though, I’ll give you that.
Police reform would perhaps indirectly effect literacy rates/math proficiency when kids aren’t thrown in jail before graduating high school because they had .2 grams of coke on them. Otherwise, no… But my highlighted reforms would theoretically reduce the rate of abhorrent police conduct that currently occurs.
Takes time to develop a new system and apply it. I’m not for defunding the police
I’ve given my opinion… I don’t really want to argue. We don’t have to agree with one another.
I’m not anti-police, I think defunding the police is a bad idea… But I can understand why some would want to go about that route.
I’ve stated within my prior message that this approach didn’t work…
your interpretation…I’m not trying hard to do anything, I’m merely voicing my opinion.
I’m not “woke”, and I’m not a racist either. I’ve stated this is purportedly the idea of which has been outlined, but recurrently stated that I didn’t support that idea…
Link, show me data this is the case as of current… after the protests
don’t put words in my mouth, I’m most certainly not okay with the loss of life.
I don’t understand how this one is misogynistic?
How would that work? The bad guy has a gun, you use one magazine with live rounds. The bad guy has taser or knife, you tell him to hold on a minute while you load your rubber bullets.
In the context of self defence in ones own home (not really needed unless you’re in a particularly dangerous neighbourhood but I digress) Beanbag rounds can knock a man feet through the air, incapacitating him. Rubber bullets are generally far more powerful than people realise.
Furthermore, once again this is an issue that is almost sole to America. It’s not that far fetched to have two pistols holstered out in the line of duty. One with live rounds and another with rubber bullets.
Not sure if serious…
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It’s an exaggeration, but you get my jist… they hurt like hell, they can break ribs etc
They’re “less than lethal”, but in certain circumstances they can certainly be lethal. There’s one video wherein a kid gets shot in the head by a beanbag round, he flies back and drops like a sack of potatoes. It’s a horrific video so I won’t be linking it on here.
There isn’t enough energy in a round to make someone fly through the air. You’ve watched to much TV. Point here is that a violent criminal out of his mind on drugs can already many times walk through real bullets. Bullets aren’t the magic death people seem to think. I personally witnessed a guy stay conscious after getting shot in the back 5 times with a .38. One of which pierced his heart.
My opinion on this is that it has more to do with starting out in a bad position. Sure there is still some systematic racism, but I don’t think that is the largest cause of continuing socioeconomic, achievement and incarceration disparities.
In the US, we have seen this with Native people. Yes there is still prejudice towards them, but IMO, the main driver in why they are not as successful on average is because of being forced to start in a shitty spot almost 200 years ago. Additionally, if they had not started in such a shitty spot and were on average as successful as the typical American, I think those prejudices would largely be reduced.
Other cultures / races have shown that breaking out of cycles of poverty hardly ever happens. With the Natives, they are still in those cycles to this day (unless they are lucky enough to belong to a wealthy casino tribe).
I think for things to get better long term, that helping the poor get a foot up is probably the most effective thing we can do.
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Jesus Christ dude… that’s horrible (the scene you’ve witnessed). I’m clearly out of my realm within relation to gauging firearm power, I’ll admit that. The video I was talking about wasn’t on TV, it was a video of a cop shooting a kid with one of these weapons.
Charged does not mean convicted.
Assault, not altercation.
No. He turned while running with the Taser and fired it at the cop who was pursuing him. No one disputes that.
I’m sure none are edited. There also videos of protestors attacking citizens and police. Have any protestors been killed by the police? There have been citizens who were killed during these protests and it wasn’t by the cops. There is a video of an NYC cop pointing his gun at “peaceful protestors.” The mayor said he should be fired. Then you see the whole video and see that he pulled his gun after another cop had just been hit in the back of the head with a brick by a protestor.
I don’t think so. Again, someone breaks into your house armed with a Taser, you can’t shoot him? Stab him? Hit him with a bat in the head? You have to let him incapacitate you and hope he doesn’t rape your wife?
While turning to fire the weapon.
That’s a non answer. And if the US and Aus are so different, why are you commenting on the US?
No it isn’t an eye for an eye. You can take a life to keep from having your eye taken. Nerf gun? Let me ask you this: had Brooks Tased the officer, what would have happened next? If the answer is, I don’t know, then guess what? You don’t stake your life on I don’t know.
So we’re back to making it a fair fight?
“Excuse me sir, before trying to shoot me, would you allow me to call for back up?”
Yes, all cops carry tear gas. And you need to have a gas mask before trying that.
Because he had a Taser. Because he just committed multiple felonies. Because he demonstrated a total lack of regard for human life. Yeah, let’s give him a chance to barricade himself inside his home with his kids.
Yes, but your opinion is based on some Youtube narrative whereas mine is based on living and working in the ghetto, among criminals like Brooks, knowing cops (and criminals), training law enforcement and getting trained in law enforcement. Come back when you witness a shooting in broad daylight in your front yard. Come back when your crackhead neighbor sets herself on fire and dies in the street. Come back when you find out that friends of yours were found murdered. Come back when you see mothers telling their kids to fight and steal.
It’s the other way around. The kid who isn’t selling drugs is more likely to do be doing better at school. If you think it’s the cops creating the academic achievement gap, you are really reaching.
It’s not a new system. It’s the same failing social services system just without cops. And there will still be cops anyway. If Minneapolis abolishes the police force, the state and/or county will step in to provide police. They will have no choice. So the federal and state money that Minneapolis gets for policing won’t be theirs to spend on whatever projects they want because it will go to pay the state and county police bill.
Really? You think there will be a study that’s current with regard to the protests, that are still going on? Who knows what some people think after having been fed a narrative. There is the article in the first post in the thread. There is also this from Baltimore post Freddy Gray riots:
Mythbusters did a big thing on the whole knocking someone through the air with a gun thing. Totally busted.
I lived there for seven years…
Actually I wasn’t aware of this, and admittedly it does change things…
It’s on a state by state basis over here. In my state, given the specific scenario you’ve given (legitimate belief he might rape your wife) you’d be given the clear to use lethal force.
It isn’t, but whatever…
I’m sorry if you’ve lost friends to violence, I extend my sympathies… but I’m not going to put my stock within the experiences stemming from one person.
I was reaching within this circumstance, you asked me to define how police reform could potentially improve academic prowess and I gave an example. Also .2 grams of coke isn’t a trafficable quantity… I said nothing about selling narcotics, its personal use.
Regardless, I’m willing to admit when I’m out of my depth, and in this case I am… But my opinion generally hasn’t changed. I’m not for defunding the police, but I am pro-police reform (I have my own valid reasons of which are steeped in personal anecdote).
We can generally agree to disagree
Should have called a social worker.
You seem like a nice kid but you are monumentally naive
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Um charged =/= convicted.
With the same taser the suspect just used on him?
And let the suspect run away while backup takes several minutes to arrive.
What about it? They weren’t trying to disperse a crowd, and cops don’t carry tear gas guns in a holster on their belt.
Because anything could have happened. If they didn’t shoot him, he could have tased one of the cops and took their gun. He might have attacked other people or taken them hostage. If he went home then maybe he would hold his family hostage. Better he dies than someone else.
Like the Vietnamese in South Texas who came in the 70s and worked as shrimpers. Their kids are doctors, lawyers, engineers. I’m married to one. It took ONE generation.
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