Ok, my friend approached me knowing i work out, and told me hes going to be starting to take gear, well deca in specific, he said a buddy of his (who happens to own a gym, the same gym i work out at) is going on it and wants him to with him. Now i know youll say tell him to research but truth is he has no internet and is out of town working 5 days a week, so he really cant. I really am his only advice and i know nothing about it, so what should i tell him, he said something about doing a CC a day, and he didnt even know what i was talking about when i asked him what he was doing for post cycle recovery or estrogen suppresion, so what SHOUld he do??? and yes this truely is my buddy and i am not taking them myself.
Tell him not to plain and simple
a) The amount of Deca per cc varies with different ‘brands’.
b) Print him at least some basic info on 'riods avaiable in the archives of this here site. ( It called being a buddy.) Don’t for get to some specific reading on Deca itself.
c) If he is avaerage size(or smaller) recommend 250 to 400mg per week. If he is a big fucker he may need more.
d) Warn him of “Deca Dick”. For some reason deca tends to dimish erectile function in some folks. I assume he is fairly young, so a 1000 mg of Viamin E and some yohimbe root daily should do a good job of correcting the problem, if he has it.
d) Though deca will add size, it will add more strength than size. It will help him to know what to expect.
e) Deca is my favorite. I love what it did for me. Let me put it this way, I was at a sticking point. I did a two week cycle of deca at 400 mg p\wk. I swear on my life my 1 RM on bench went up 40 lbs. From 225 to 265 lbs; it went up with ease too. I was weighing in at 169/170 lbs. at the time.
f) Deca has low amotorization, an anti-estrogen should not be necessary.
That’s my $.02 /advice. You can take it or leave it as you wish.
Regards.
Doing deca for 2 weeks is far from its optimal use. It has such a long halflife that it was in your system still depressing your natural t levels for at least a couple more weeks probably more… But if it worked for you great, as for me I’d rather use more suited chemicals ie NPP for short cycles.
well hes 21 and about average size maybe 180lbs, but deca is what his friend can get i guess, hes bent on doin gear so w/e, but im going to tell him to do a short cycle, so your saying that maybe deca isnt the best idea for a short, safe cycle, than what is and what amounts?
e) Deca is my favorite. I love what it did for me. Let me put it this way, I was at a sticking point. I did a two week cycle of deca at 400 mg p\wk. I swear on my life my 1 RM on bench went up 40 lbs. From 225 to 265 lbs; it went up with ease too. I was weighing in at 169/170 lbs. at the time.
f) Deca has low amotorization, an anti-estrogen should not be necessary.
That’s my $.02 /advice. You can take it or leave it as you wish.
Regards.
WOW YOU USED GEAR AND STILL DON"T HAVE A CLUE .
Im definately not one to tell you what to take and how much but a better choice would be nandrolone phenylpropinate which is the same drug as “deca” with a much shorter half-life, somewhere around 4.5 days I think. I would recommend stacking that with a short acting test such as test propinate to keep your stick on the ice if you know what I mean… plus they are supposed to work great. As far as dosages… say 100mg Test 50mg Nand. EOD (every other day). If you wanted you could throw in some dianabol or winstrol or both as well. Do this for 3 weeks minimum and then pct with clomid and nolvadex make sure he has nolvadex for during the cycle. That being said I still dont think he should be using and considering I have never used before Im not qualified to tell you what to take. Im just applying what Ive read and researched on here so take it as you will. Most importantly make sure he takes care of pct.
Well, I did not think it was necessary to elaborate on my little two week cycle because it was not the focus of my post, but I will give you the circumstances behind it. I was in Venezuela during a national tradgety in 1999. I had one farmacia avaiable to me and I went there with a list. A little deca and some proviron was all they had. I cleaned them out of all the anabolics that had. That is why I did a two week cycle, it was all I could get.
BTW…Gen Sher you…ahh hell you post isn’t worthy of a response.
I absolutely agree, but chances are he doesn’t have access to NPP. You’ve gotta be relatively connected to get in in my experience(which is limited at this point I’ll admit).
Either way, his friend shouldn’t be touching AAS at all, as most have already said. The plan is terribly concieved.
well hes taking deca fellas, i just dont know what dosages to tell him, daily dosages and how long of a cycle and what to do post cycle, thats where i need the advice.
Split,
Deca is best dosed at around 2mg per lb of body weight and taken for a minimum of 10 weeks and round the dosage up so for example if you weighed in at 180lbs you would be at 360 mg per week round that to 400 mgs and with deca you can pin once per week as it is the deconoate ester you will maintain blood level easily but it will take about 3-4 weeks to reach peak blood leves with this ester as compared to the NPP nanrolone phnyly propionate and really see the results.Make sure to get atleast 2 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight .
POST cycle do nolva or clomid but during the last 2 weeks of deca use it would be great to jump start you balls with hcg but not a must and post cycle you must continue to pound the calories or the gains will fall off KEEP THE PROTEIN HIGH and vitamin -C dose wonders at helping contoll cortisol in dosages of 3+grams a serving.
Well, I did not think it was necessary to elaborate on my little two week cycle because it was not the focus of my post, but I will give you the circumstances behind it. I was in Venezuela during a national tradgety in 1999. I had one farmacia avaiable to me and I went there with a list. A little deca and some proviron was all they had. I cleaned them out of all the anabolics that had. That is why I did a two week cycle, it was all I could get.
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My concern with your post is that you cartainly don’t have a clue yourself so how can you advise others And you sound like a guy that is so eager to juice he’ll take anything as a 2 week supply of deca is’nt enough to consider starting a cycle If you were knowledgeable you would have known that dec is a waste at onlt 2 weeks on and you would’nt have bothered with it But you did’nt have a clue so you jumed in head first and did a f-ed up cycle that no way in hell jumed your bench up 40lbs
BTW…Gen Sher you…ahh hell you post isn’t worthy of a response
it would most likely be incorrect and premature just like your cycle and the advice you gave .
Pat36 wrote-
I was at a sticking point. I did a two week cycle of deca at 400 mg p\wk. I swear on my life my 1 RM on bench went up 40 lbs. From 225 to 265 lbs; it went up with ease too
hell I did a 2 day cycle of testosteron deconoate and my bench went up 140 lbs EASILY now I bench 185 for a 1RM.
thanx twisted local, and i hope your last 2 sentences are a joke 
Well general, or shall I call you private? First, not only did my little two week cycle work, the gains stayed and the benefits from it still remain 5 years later. As far as knowledge is concerned I have been studying steroids ( and other drugs) as far back as when you were still playing with Teenage Mutant Ninja turtles. Not only can a two week cycle give you a boost, one shot can improve you; not everybody needs or wants to do a gram a week of test. Planning some major cycle is just simply not necessary. It just depends on the goal of the individual.
At 400 mg of deca per week, you do not need an anti-estrogen since it has very little amortization potential and does not convert to estrogen easily… Actually nandralone has been found to cause a slight decrease estrogen on its own, at lower doses. In my two week “cycle” I found no testicular shrinkage at all and just simply had no crash. It worked fine. If splits friend requires something toe recover his test levels, hell TRIBEX, or I guess “M” now would work fine unless he was doing a gram a week, then he might need clomid; for which then he risks a possible infection of the vas deferens (not a commonly listed side effect, but more common then one would think.) I know this much if he does high doses of deca alone, he won’t be fucking for a while.
On paper nadralone alone cycle, however long or short does not look all that good, but empirical evidence shows it does just fine. The long half life isn’t a problem at lower doses because half the dose of a low dose is not that much. At high does it obviously is.
Lastly, am done with steroids for myself, but I still love them as a drug. My goals have changed and 'riods are not required. I haven’t touched them in 5 years plus, I just have a natural love for drugs in general and study them as a hobby now.
Anyway, I am done hijacking this thread, private. I will not longer respond. You are now free to judge me with no basis and insult, call me names, make fun of my mother, whatever.
BTW, I am really proud of your 185 lbs. bench after doing a bunch of 'riods.
oops i meant to thank u general, THANX, ill be sure to let him know.
I’m sorry NAPOLEON .
[quote]Split wrote:
Now i know youll say tell him to research but truth is he has no internet and is out of town working 5 days a week, so he really cant.[/quote]
Have your friend read a book while he’s out of town working, This is serious and he needs to know himself not from so-n-so.
It’s because of people like your buddy why steroids are illegal… well, why they SHOULD be… Does your buddy even care about what he puts in his body? I mean, you’d think you would do some research on shit you put in your body…Ok… ok… I won’t even begin to start, my blood pressure can’t take this…AGHHHHH!!!
T-M@tt
Once again you don’t know what the hell you are talking about. quit trying to be a guru on here because you are definitely not. - amortization? this isn’t accounting buddy. Vitamin E and Yohimbe as a cure for 'deca dick? You’re not serious are you?
[quote]pat36 wrote:
a) The amount of Deca per cc varies with different ‘brands’.
b) Print him at least some basic info on 'riods avaiable in the archives of this here site. ( It called being a buddy.) Don’t for get to some specific reading on Deca itself.
c) If he is avaerage size(or smaller) recommend 250 to 400mg per week. If he is a big fucker he may need more.
d) Warn him of “Deca Dick”. For some reason deca tends to dimish erectile function in some folks. I assume he is fairly young, so a 1000 mg of Viamin E and some yohimbe root daily should do a good job of correcting the problem, if he has it.
d) Though deca will add size, it will add more strength than size. It will help him to know what to expect.
e) Deca is my favorite. I love what it did for me. Let me put it this way, I was at a sticking point. I did a two week cycle of deca at 400 mg p\wk. I swear on my life my 1 RM on bench went up 40 lbs. From 225 to 265 lbs; it went up with ease too. I was weighing in at 169/170 lbs. at the time.
f) Deca has low amotorization, an anti-estrogen should not be necessary.
That’s my $.02 /advice. You can take it or leave it as you wish.
Regards.[/quote]
Prisoner#22 wrote-
Once again you don’t know what the hell you are talking about. quit trying to be a guru on here because you are definitely not. - amortization? this isn’t accounting buddy. Vitamin E and Yohimbe as a cure for 'deca dick? You’re not serious are you?
Hell a GURU they need to invent a rank below NEWBIE to desribe him .