new here and lookin 4 help with current cycle i am having a few issues with
1-12 deca 300mg weekly split tw
1-14 test en 300mg weekly split tw
also have oil winstrol may consider using late in cycle?
nolv and clom on hand
pct plan hcg and poss clomid/nolva
i am currently 6 weeks in and recently started with sore nips
started clomid 25mg daily last week and had a good 4 day test boost
nips just puffed up (return to normal when shower/cold )and now have pea size lumps
advice given was to stop clomid after 1 week and start nolva 40mg first 3 days then 20 until under control
3 days on nolva and not sure if i should try letro and stop cycle or reduce to 250mg each and continue
no ai ran from start (i know very stupid in hindsight)
believe gyno symptoms estrogen based as recently test levels feel low (aromatisation?)
only used dbol / anavar / hcg before with no pct but hcg
This post is quite difficult to read. You should, ideally, have researched all of this before commencing your cycle so these problems could be avoided, or you could at least have been prepared for them when/if you encountered them.
You need to be taking AI throughout, I would start with .5 adex EOD.
HCG should NOT be used for PCT, nolva and or clomid should be used.
Thanks for the advise. Gyno symptons have not progressed since on nolva. I was only able to obtain letro in short notice. Do you have any recommendation for dosing? Also should i keep on the nolva. Having read the stickies here at t nation i have more knowledge to plan my next cycle properly and hopefully avoid this.
I’m not a grizzled vet, nor do I currently have any anecdotal evidence of this PARTICULAR situation. However, from all my research (I’m about to run a Test E/Deca/ Oral winny cycle myself) there is the potential for the Deca to be screwing with your prolactin/progesterone levels which will induce a form of Gyno that is not treatable via AI’s or anything dealing with estrogen. Again, I am giving non-medical advice from my ~200 hours of research and reading Anabolics by Llewellyn, but I do believe you may need to get your hands on some Caber to counteract the increased progesterone levels. AGAIN, this is from a relatively new person trying to understand more about the whole science myself, would any strong vets like to verify or flame me to shit for being wrong?
Thanks, i have already started a letro taper and caber @ .5 e3d . I am continuing my deca test winny as planed and continue nolv just incase. Should i continue on the cycle and the nolv , is that the correct thing to do? any vets opinion would be very helpful, thanks.
I’ve read from a number of sources not to run Nolva while actually ON Deca-- though I haven’t researched the scientific interaction implications of doing so. Everything I’ve read on nolva+deca has been anecdotal but it seems to be unanimously agreed to not take nolva while on Deca. I think the Caber should do you well; let me know how it turns out as I’m interested to know for myself.
Might be wise to continue 20mg of nolva until pct commences then up the dose to whatever you had planned for pct. BTW I also don’t know exactly how nolva interacts with deca so just my 2cents
OVERLAPPED THE NOLVA FOR 3 DAYS ONCE I STARTED THE LETRO TAPER ( JUST 2 BE SAFE ) . CURRENTLY ON .5 CABER E3D & 2.5 LETRO ED. SEX DRIVE A LITTLE LOW BUT STILL THERE:) . THE NOLVA WAS MAKING ME REAL DIZZY. STARTED WINNY 50 MG EOD ABOUT 10 DAYS AGO . FEELING GREAT AND HIT N WEIGHTS HARD. NO MORE SORE NIPS AND NIP PUFFYNESS IS REDUCING. SO FAR THE LETRO IS NOT AS BAD AS I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE. WIFE SAYS I AM REAL CALM, SO SHES HAPPY. MIGHT CONSIDER LOW LETRO DOSE AS ON CYCLE AI IN THE FUTURE .THANKS FOR THE REPLYS AND I WILL POST THE FINAL RESULTS ONCE CYCLE IS OVER.
This ‘cycle’ should be a good learning experience for you… Be careful with the letro. It is strong… Next time have all the ancillaries you MIGHT NEED on hand; and use a 2/5 deca/test ratio if you are going to use deca…
Mate if u want big gains but still safe run ur deca at 500 and run ur test at 1000 …if I were you IDE…
Week 1-15 test e 1000 mg 2x week
Week 1-12 deca 500 2x week