Deca Questions

Pharma
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I understand that Deca is a longer lasting chemical that only needs to be injected once per week.

Should I feel effects immediately upon first injection, or does it take a few weeks to see the effects?

I have read that I should start PCT 2 weeks after the last injection. I plan to use Nolva and Clomid for PCT. Is 2 weeks waiting period adequate?

I am not going to stack anything because I want to be able to identify any effects as due to the Deca. However, if I am going to retain water and show a noticable weight gain, I am concerned about answering questions from family and freinds because I am lean and they all know that I watch my diet closely. How have you guys dealt with similar situations in your experience?

Sorry for coming out with a list of questions, but I was hoping to gather some quick information from the vets.

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First off I would never run a deca only cycle. You are going to get shutdown for sure and have no test production. For this reason alone do not start this cycle.

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If he ran test with it, would the deca not be able shut him down?

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You will regret not stacking with test.

You are going to gain water weight on any bulking steroid, especially deca.

You should try and spend a little time reading the different threads on this board, I think you’re q’s will be answered

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[quote]simar44068 wrote:
Should I feel effects immediately upon first injection, or does it take a few weeks to see the effects?[/quote]

No. It will take more like 3-5 weeks.

[quote]simar44068 wrote:
I have read that I should start PCT 2 weeks after the last injection. I plan to use Nolva and Clomid for PCT. Is 2 weeks waiting period adequate?[/quote]

2 weeks is fine. People have even started 3 weeks after last pin and been OK. CL\lomi/nolva will work great.

[quote]simar44068 wrote:
I am not going to stack anything because I want to be able to identify any effects as due to the Deca. However, if I am going to retain water and show a noticable weight gain, I am concerned about answering questions from family and freinds because I am lean and they all know that I watch my diet closely. How have you guys dealt with similar situations in your experience?[/quote]

I think you’d be OK with 400-500 mg of test first. See how you like it. Then move to something more later when you have a bit more experience with AAS and PCT. No offense, but Deca is not a starter steroid due to some of it’s possible complications.

I would not do a deca only cycle simply for the reason that there is no substitute for test. Let me clarify: Your body will be receiving a foreign substance that will cause it to stop making natural test.

Your body will not know how to use the deca (nor can it) for what test is for. Test is what makes you a man in its basic sense. It is helpful with masculinity, erections, strength and muscle homoestasis, fat lipolis, and a variety of other things.

You are best at least adding some test to your cycle so that your body can utilize it to perform the functions previously mentioned.

*** I’m no Vet, but I hope you understand that my opinion stated comes from a lot of reading and asking similar questions to your original one. ***

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Thanks guys. I have been doing a lot of reading, and am actually considering Primo alone for a first cycle.

I have an opportunity to pick up some Deca, and that is why I wanted to know about using it for a first cycle. I will just hold onto it until I have more experience and maybe stack it with something on a future cycle.

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[quote] JJ wrote:
If he ran test with it, would the deca not be able shut him down?[/quote]

The point is he will get shutdown off deca. By adding test you have large amounts of the hormone in your system more than making up for the lack of natural production.

Deca dick is not a myth.

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2thepain:

I thought I understood that I will get shut down with most AAS use, which is why I was supposed to make sure I had a good PCT in place before starting.

Are you saying the Deca is more aggressive in this regard, or is my understanding incorrect?

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I ran a deca cycle by itself a few years ago.

gains were great,strength through the roof

bad was it shut me down horrible,months and months after the end of the cycle I was still shut down.
granted I didnt have any pct (dumb) but it really took a toll on me mentally after a while.
not to mention alot of other stuff tha twas my fault.
but yes deca is very very aggressive and you are better off adding some test in with that to kind of cut the edge off the sides.

dont get me wrong deca works,and works great but it will kick your ass in the end if you use it by itself

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[quote]nichaaron wrote:
I ran a deca cycle by itself a few years ago.

gains were great,strength through the roof

bad was it shut me down horrible,months and months after the end of the cycle I was still shut down.
granted I didnt have any pct (dumb) but it really took a toll on me mentally after a while.
not to mention alot of other stuff tha twas my fault.
but yes deca is very very aggressive and you are better off adding some test in with that to kind of cut the edge off the sides.

dont get me wrong deca works,and works great but it will kick your ass in the end if you use it by itself

[/quote]

Were you able to hold on to your gains, or did you lose everything due to the lack of PCT?

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[quote]simar44068 wrote:
nichaaron wrote:
I ran a deca cycle by itself a few years ago.

gains were great,strength through the roof

bad was it shut me down horrible,months and months after the end of the cycle I was still shut down.
granted I didnt have any pct (dumb) but it really took a toll on me mentally after a while.
not to mention alot of other stuff that was my fault.
but yes deca is very very aggressive and you are better off adding some test in with that to kind of cut the edge off the sides.

dont get me wrong deca works,and works great but it will kick your ass in the end if you use it by itself

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Were you able to hold on to your gains, or did you lose everything due to the lack of PCT? [/quote]

im a little odd of a case
broke my hand got lazy and gained 100 pounds got horribly fat (mid 30s bf %)so I am really not sure if I lost gains from that or if it was lack of pct.
I do know that I havent lost much muscle and the strength came back pretty fast once I got started again. all my gains were pretty solid and not much bloat.

I think I could have kept some lean mass if i would have tapered my eating back down from the 6000 cals i was eating and if I remained active instead of depressed and feeling sorry for myself and sleeping all day
but thats just guessing.

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[quote]simar44068 wrote:
2thepain:

I thought I understood that I will get shut down with most AAS use, which is why I was supposed to make sure I had a good PCT in place before starting.

Are you saying the Deca is more aggressive in this regard, or is my understanding incorrect?[/quote]

I think that Nor19 drugs are aggressive in terms of shutdown, however I can’t say that they are worse then test/anadrol/dbol in that aspect.

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[quote]2thepain wrote:
JJ wrote:
If he ran test with it, would the deca not be able shut him down?

The point is he will get shutdown off deca. By adding test you have large amounts of the hormone in your system more than making up for the lack of natural production.

Deca dick is not a myth.[/quote]

I know that, but your post suggests that it is the fact he is running Deca alone that shuts him down.

That is simply not the case, if he adds test he will still be shut down…

I just think that when people word this, they should be more careful - as people like this will go along thinking that a Deca only cycle will shut you down - when it isnt really the case…

Do you see what i mean? I just think a little clarity is needed on certain posts, other wise mis-information is spread.

JJ

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[quote]nichaaron wrote:
I ran a deca cycle by itself a few years ago.

gains were great,strength through the roof

bad was it shut me down horrible,months and months after the end of the cycle I was still shut down.
granted I didnt have any pct (dumb) but it really took a toll on me mentally after a while.
not to mention alot of other stuff tha twas my fault.
but yes deca is very very aggressive and you are better off adding some test in with that to kind of cut the edge off the sides.

dont get me wrong deca works,and works great but it will kick your ass in the end if you use it by itself

[/quote]

But how does adding test to the cyle itself stop the shut down that ensues well after the cycle finishes? It doesnt!

2thepain, you said your self that it doesnt suppress anymore than test… so deca only cycles arent more suppressive, but test is recommended for the missing link… missing androgen if you like.

Proviron works JUST as well if you want to use deca alone.

Test wont stop the long recovery needed with bad pct off deca OR test…! It just makes the actual cycle much more pleasant.

JJ

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[quote]simar44068 wrote:
2thepain:

I thought I understood that I will get shut down with most AAS use, which is why I was supposed to make sure I had a good PCT in place before starting.

Are you saying the Deca is more aggressive in this regard, or is my understanding incorrect?[/quote]

No, you are right. But the use of test is being recommended here not really for the gains but the lack of libido and bad moods… i would recommend proviron for that, and test as another AAS to add on for a different effect - more muscle, water etc…

Proviron adds all the androgenic virilisation effects that test does with none of the anabolism, so if you want to use deca alone, then use proviron with it to make it more “friendly”.

IF you are looking for max gains, add in the test - this will cover the emo issues plus add a hell of a lot to the cycle.

The use of Proviron OR Test during the deca cycle will not help the recovery after cycle, (which WILL become the misconception if posts like this continue as it is confusing the facts) that is what an effective PCT is there to HOPEFULLY do. In fact, the addition of test over proviron could well worsen the shutdown, if that is possible - by increasing circulating estrogen (and then progestrogenic effect on that estrogen… etc)

JJ

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[quote]simar44068 wrote:
2thepain:

I thought I understood that I will get shut down with most AAS use, which is why I was supposed to make sure I had a good PCT in place before starting.

Are you saying the Deca is more aggressive in this regard, or is my understanding incorrect?[/quote]

No it is not more aggressive. AAS shuts you down via negative feedback loop.

Here’s some answers:

[quote] JJ wrote:
simar44068 wrote:
2thepain:

I thought I understood that I will get shut down with most AAS use, which is why I was supposed to make sure I had a good PCT in place before starting.

Are you saying the Deca is more aggressive in this regard, or is my understanding incorrect?

No, you are right. But the use of test is being recommended here not really for the gains but the lack of libido and bad moods… i would recommend proviron for that, and test as another AAS to add on for a different effect - more muscle, water etc…

Proviron adds all the androgenic virilisation effects that test does with none of the anabolism, so if you want to use deca alone, then use proviron with it to make it more “friendly”.

IF you are looking for max gains, add in the test - this will cover the emo issues plus add a hell of a lot to the cycle.

The use of Proviron OR Test during the deca cycle will not help the recovery after cycle, (which WILL become the misconception if posts like this continue as it is confusing the facts) that is what an effective PCT is there to HOPEFULLY do.

In fact, the addition of test over proviron could well worsen the shutdown, if that is possible - by increasing circulating estrogen (and then progestrogenic effect on that estrogen… etc)

JJ[/quote]

[quote] JJ wrote:
2thepain, you said your self that it doesnt suppress anymore than test… so deca only cycles arent more suppressive, but test is recommended for the missing link… missing androgen if you like.

Proviron works JUST as well if you want to use deca alone.

JJ[/quote]

I will quote my other post again because it also coincides with the other posters.

[quote]xXDevilDogXx wrote:

I would not do a deca only cycle simply for the reason that there is no substitute for test. Let me clarify: Your body will be receiving a foreign substance that will cause it to stop making natural test.

Your body will not know how to use the deca (nor can it) for what test is for. Test is what makes you a man in its basic sense. It is helpful with masculinity, erections, strength and muscle homoestasis, fat lipolis, and a variety of other things.

You are best at least adding some test to your cycle so that your body can utilize it to perform the functions previously mentioned.

*** I’m no Vet, but I hope you understand that my opinion stated comes from a lot of reading and asking similar questions to your original one. ***[/quote]

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My all time favorite stack, Deca and Test. It will definitely give you good solid gains. Primo is a contest drug and is very weak, mostly women will use it. The only thing I would run differently with test is EQ, instead of deca.