Before you all bash me about deca w/o test cycles, I know that they can be bad on the dick for some people. But I’ve already taken a deca only cycle and did wonderful on it. Gained roughly 15 lbs. on just deca with high protein/ calorie diet and lots of good sleep. I will admit i didn’t do my research before hand on pct. So I lost a good amount of my gains plus a little bit of gyno.
Well I came off that cycle on January 1st of this year and wanted to know anyone’s input on a Deca/ primobolan cycle?
I know that i should stack test with deca at all times but i can’t stand the androgenic side effects that test brings out in you, mainly “roid rage” and acne. I want good results with very low androgenic sides.
Any input without too much bashing would really help. And what pct would i need for this cycle? Nolva or clomid?
“roid rage” is an avoidable side effect with a little self control. I have shot a lot of test and although my workouts get very aggressive I don’t start snapping out on people because of too much test.
IMO deca and primo is a poor stack, but you seem to already know that. Adding even a small amount of test to that will make a huge difference. But, if you do run this you are going to need 3 to 4 weeks (I’m unsure of the exact half life) off of the deca before you start your PCT. I prefer nolv over clomid. 4 weeks 40/40/20/20.
have you ever used test before? you are probably exaggerating the roid rage a tad. the media is wrong you won’t kill people i get a little more frustrated thats all, except for at the gym. unless you are naturally aggressive i wouldnt worry too much. try it out
Well first off I have used deca without test before and it was fine, However I have used Test a on and never had a so called “Roid Rage” I dont even get aggravated easier I dont feel any of those effects. I have never used Primo before but I am actually just getting some soon and will be incorporating i with a test/eq cycle I am running. Personally I like the combo of nolva and clomid for pct
[quote]honkie wrote:
why do people still bother to use deca?
I’ve taken 2.5g test a week with out the hint of roid rage. This so called roid rage is a load of crap.
If you an ahole before the gear you are an ahole on the gear - don’t blame the gear.
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…uh…for the mass gains, joint relief, synergistic effects, etc. I’d bet anyone that 600mg of deca and test will out perform twice as much test. On that note; I am not a big fan for several reasons, but it does have it’s place.
I agree somewhat on the rage part, but we cannot deny to fit our agenda, that androgenicy does not play a role in aggression, whether in a negative sense or not - I never lose control or appear any different to others, but I do get my blood pressure up sometimes when driving and just stupid stuff - and yes, Tren and/or Test for example do contribute to aggression.
I like to channel my increased aggression (notice I’m not saying anger) into the gym, work, and just getting stuff done. The increased aggression is a good thing in all aspects unless you are an As*hole. We cannot deny that someone with low testosterone levels will not have an increase in “aggression” when he raises them, but it’s a “go get em” type, more assertive and such.
[quote]TexasMade wrote:
Before you all bash me about deca w/o test cycles, I know that they can be bad on the dick for some people. But I’ve already taken a deca only cycle and did wonderful on it. Gained roughly 15 lbs. on just deca with high protein/ calorie diet and lots of good sleep. I will admit i didn’t do my research before hand on pct. So I lost a good amount of my gains plus a little bit of gyno.
Well I came off that cycle on January 1st of this year and wanted to know anyone’s input on a Deca/ primobolan cycle?
I know that i should stack test with deca at all times but i can’t stand the androgenic side effects that test brings out in you, mainly “roid rage” and acne. I want good results with very low androgenic sides.
Any input without too much bashing would really help. And what pct would i need for this cycle? Nolva or clomid?[/quote]
Why do you want to Primobolan as well? Do you really think that any gains will be noticed with the Deca as well? Not saying it isn’t a good compound, just that it’s effects will be drowned out with the Deca (in my opinion), I’d add something with a little contrast myself. Personally I would run it with test, maybe just at 200mg or so for the syergistic effect as well as maintaining a test base. You shouldn’t worry about “too much” increased aggression, you can stay a passive as you want even at higher doses.
Think about low-dose test this way - do you have roid rage and bad acne now? If not, then 200mg is not going to, it will merely maintain your testosterone levels on the high side, as they normally would be wiped out. Another option that I would suggest, but doesn’t fit your plan too well, is to add Masteron Enanthate (really Drostanolone Enanthate) as it will maintain sex drive, increase muslce hardness, tame any sides, but it might be a bit androgenic for you; the vida score is low like Primo, but in the real world it is higher. Also a note I have is that Deca causes much more acne for me then most others, bloating too.
Let’s get a little more specific with your goals and desires, and I think we can help you out much more.
TheBeat wrote:
jb99 wrote:
Although I might actually try nolva and aromasin for my next pct
Why? What reason would you have an aromatase inhibitor in PCT if you aren’t increasing conversion, if not to cut costs?
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But does that really make sense to you? You do not want to limit estrogen conversion to such an extent during PCT, unless one was doing it for the first couple weeks of a long ester cycle, simply because there is not much testosterone to convert at a true post-cycle state and the little conversion one has is needed to maintain a health vascular system - you see it is not estrogen itself that keeps ones heart and circulatory system healthy, but the conversion to estrogens within it’s cells.
Basically running both (at the doses recommended) without something to increase conversion, then one is really taking a double-edged sword to their health without much if any benefit: ok so nolvadex will increase it by 150% and Aromasin by 167% so that gives us an increase in testosterone of 317%!!! Sorry, doesn’t work that way, and even if it did, it would still be an artifical level.
Also one could really use any AI with that protocol as the amount of AI loss with nolvadex is really not that much to matter during a post-cycle period - you’d have to use 1/12 tab of letrozole instead of 1/16 tab per day for example, gasp! I am one of the few that respects Anthony Roberts, but not his PCT protocol without HCG, with HCG it is very solid but very specific to a specific type of cycle - not a cut and paste plan.
I’m really looking to pack on mass but I put up another post on a test e and deca cycle and the guys say I’m too light to begin a cycle right now. so I guess I’m gunna hold off and gain some natural wieght and then hit the juice.