Hello. I am 35 been on TRT for 5 years and for the most it’s all been positive. I recently switched over to Defy and mentioned the sides I have been having and learned to live with as they aren’t detrimental but annoying. The sides are oily face, acne, slight loss of penile sensitivity (takes a lot longer to orgasm now) and loss of morning wood. I do not have ED or any issues performing but for whatever reason no morning wood or random erections during the day and my flaccid hang is just small and kinda empty feeling. My first thought was estrogen is high or prolactin. My E2 hovers in the 50s (slightly raised) and test levels 800-900. I have tried experimenting with AI but didn’t feel any change and would prefer to stay off those. All other levels like prolactin, DHT etc are in range.
So with that defy recommend trying Deca as my base as I have chronic low back pain and perhaps would react better to lower test. Currently doing 200 Deca and 100 test ED with 250IU HCG on Mon Wed Fri. Bloat, acne,oily skin all has improved. Mood has improved, and gym performance and no “Deca dick”. However the lack of sensitivity and no morning wood remains the same. I remember Mike the PA I am with at Defy mentioned he is on Deca base too and if he starts getting sides like I describe he just skips his test shot for that day…so I tried that this week and boom morning wood was back and can feel sex a bit more!
Now my questions are why is this? How can I alter my protocol to keep this going? My thoughts were to lower my test dose down from 100 to maybe 70 or even 50mg a week. Basically just enough to keep my estrogen going and DHT. Or perhaps I ditch the test altogether and maybe just do HCG along Deca? Thoughts and experiences?
How long were you on the new protocol before improvement?
Probably lower test more like you stated.
Basically.
How high was your original Test dose? How long did you give the AI to work on T Cyp only when you added it in? I’m guessing it still has something to do with a lower E2 level. Nandrolone aromatizes at a 5th of the rate of Test.
Original test dose 150 a week. Had my trough at 900 E2 45-50 consistently. Introduced AI at .125 twice a week brought E2 down to 25 did this for a month then stopped as no sides improved.
I have been running Deca for 5 months. Felt improvements about a month in just still the 2 issues of sensitivity and lack of morning erections small flaccid hang. I thought the HCG would solve for that but has not. Skipping a shot of Test has been the only sign of improvement in those areas to date but l only just tried that and want to know why and if it’s sustainable before moving forward with anything.
This is common with Nandrolone based AAS. Not so much for Testosterone unless E2 is out of whack.
I’m really not sure as a month of reduced E2 should have been long enough to see improvement. When do you take your new labs after starting the Nandrolone base?
Oh I’ve already got labs with this. I’ve been on the protocol for 5months. The sensitivity and morning wood stuff has been an issue pre Deca on just test.
If those are your only issues, I’d look into Cialis. It will likely remedy those issues. At least for me, I am pretty sure I am bigger flaccid most of the time while Cialis is in the system. I basically always wake up with morning wood if Cialis is in my system too. Sometimes I wake myself up due to nocturnal erections on Cialis.
Yes i have lowered my dose to 80MG weekly on just test which produced 615 total test, 9 Free T and 42 E2. My Estrogen stays high and the same even when test is lowered as does the sensitivity and morning wood stuff. This is what led my doc at Defy to try switching to Deca base.
I started some masteron about 6 weeks ago and I got more sensitivity from it. This is a rarity as I haven’t found anyone else who had this reaction to it, but it happened for me.
Not that you’ll get a provider to prescribe it anyways.
The only tools/information I know of to help with sensitivity (as it seems it isn’t drug-related) is what I posted above:
Or you could also look up Stirling Cooper’s “How I Grew My Penis” book (lol). There’s a free pdf version out there if you didn’t want to pay; it has a lot of information on getting your dick to work the way you want it to. If that means regaining sensitivity, or some size changes, or whatever else you imagine a former pornstar (with a degree in chemistry) would know.
I have no other advice for you regarding sensitivity, honestly. I’ll say that what I’ve tried from what’s in that book, has worked (let’s leave it at that).
I’m on 100 test, 300 mast, 50npp and still dont get morning wood often, so IDK if I would consider morning wood a symptom or not. Seems unreliable at best.