Has anyone ran both Deca and tren? My friend would like to run a low dose of Deca for the joint soothing properties (anywhere from 100-150mg) along with 50mg of TA everyday. Is that amount of Deca sufficient for that desired property? The whole cycle would look something like this
Deca 1-X 150mg/week
TrenA 1-X 50mg/day
Test 175mg/week
Thank you in advance
DLB
I know that deca and tren ran at the same time (two 19-nor steroids) is less than ideal from a health point of view and when you arrive at the recovery point, as Deca especially is very suppressive. As I have mentioned before, I am no expert, nor claim to be so others here will be able to give you more info as to why the two together are not advisable.
How old is your friend? is he on hrt? has he used before?
I do know of several people who have ran Deca test and tren and had great results, one competes and has won several competitions, and the other is a very big bodybuilder looking guy (19 inch arms, visible abs etc) I have no idea what their health is like, or if they have even tried to come off yet, all I am saying is their combined use of tren deca and test produced great results from a muscle building perspective.
Personally, and this is just me, if I was going to take enough gear to suppress my natural test production, as your friend is proposing to do, and I had joint issues, I would just do the deca and test and up the doses slightly, I am not sure whether the above amounts are sufficient to cause progesterone induced gyno, I think it would depend on the individual, but I would run adex myself and not take the chance.
So, and this is just me, instead of taking enough gear to suppress me, and enough to warrant AI use (adex) and a pretty tough recovery, I would just use 500mg per week test and 200-3–mg per week deca, this is assuming the deca is essential to alleviate the joint pain. I did read about someone in the over 35’s forum using 200mg test and 100mg deca per week as HRT and the deca was to help with joint pain, I have never used deca, and luckily dont have joint pain so cannot speak from experience with regards to that.
Good luck…
I could’ve sworn I’ve read on here that running those two together is a poor idea, considering the prolactin activity. However, that may be able to be countered with a significant cabergoline dose.
Also, why use an acetate and a decaonate (sp?) ester together? I think he’d be better off using nandrolone deca and tren enanthate (if he knows he can handle tren) for a frontloaded longer cycle OR nandrolone phenylprop and tren ace for a shorter cycle.
That is, of course, if he’s going to use these two compounds together.
I think a lot of people won’t recommend the two at the same time due to the line of thought the desired results of using both can be had by using more of one or the other. But if just using nandrolone for joint support than I don’t think it’s a big deal.
I think that dose of nandrolone is fine for relieving joint pain. Just end the nandrolone a few weeks early and use a low dose of caber to keep prolactin normal to avoid making recovery that much more difficult.
The common thinking is not to use both nor19’s due to the increased likelihood of substantial suppression. There’s a number of ways to view this though. So DLB if your friend is willing to deal with the potential sides then and only then would it be considerable. Really depends where he is at in his life. A stone cold case of tren-deca dick might not be a deterent for him. While caber is often the answer, it works better and worse for some guys.
If this friend is looking for joint relief Deca is not the only answer. Obviously GH would be #1 in terms of effectiveness [and cost]. GHRP6 is not nearly as effective but is substantially cheaper. Some guys claim they feel more mobile on EQ. Finally I’ve personally found an improvement using high doses of Glucosamine. So tell this friend of your to look at all his options. Any and perhaps all the above might be more effective than 150mg of Deca a week.
One more thing to address the dose level issue yes 150mg a week is lower than Ive ever seen it run for any purpose. Its rare to see weekly levels below 200-300mg of Deca.
I know this is off-topic, but I’d like to draw attention to bonez’s festive avatar.
Ho Ho Ho bitchez =D
Arms are lookin great, too, Bonez! Not very boney at all.
[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
I know this is off-topic, but I’d like to draw attention to bonez’s festive avatar.[/quote]
Double post, ooooops.
[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
I know this is off-topic, but I’d like to draw attention to bonez’s festive avatar.[/quote]
BONEZ,
I too wanted you to know that your holiday spirit hasn’t gone unnoticed.
I for one truly appreciate your efforts to inject a little of the Christmas spirit into our lives. (I also am laughing uncontrollably for some unknown reason)
You are fucking awesome
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Arms are lookin great, too, Bonez! Not very boney at all.[/quote]
Thanks, they’re getting there. I think I can hit 17.75 before I get to 185lbs. I feel like I’ve finally figured out how to seriously hit my triceps.
And Tim, thanks, I saw the hat laying around the house and I was bored lol. Just got to find a pair of rabbit ears by April.
/hijack
I have used tren and deca.
The tren ace was 50mg per day
Deca I played with but didn’t feel the pain let up until about 275 to 300 per week.
Deca-tren dick was not fun, nolvadex took care of enough that I could if I wanted to
But the not being able to breath well on the tren was always a factor
I would not sugggest both… although I just had another go around with tren
And everytime I finish a bottle I swear ill never do it again…
I would suggest GH, its my new love but it isnt going to help your joints at first.
My knees and elbows fucken killed for the first month or so, plus winter rolled in
At the same time so I’m sure that didtn help but getting up in the middle of the night
To piss was a bitch to get my lower body moving
Good luck
B0nzz
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Arms are lookin great, too, Bonez! Not very boney at all.[/quote]
Thanks, they’re getting there. I think I can hit 17.75 before I get to 185lbs. I feel like I’ve finally figured out how to seriously hit my triceps.
And Tim, thanks, I saw the hat laying around the house and I was bored lol. Just got to find a pair of rabbit ears by April.
/hijack[/quote]
Let the hijacking continue then. Dam Bonez I had no idea you were that “small”. 18" arms and 185lbs damn you must be like 5’2" I was sure you were my size. You must have the Lee Priest thing going on
[quote]B0nzz wrote:
although I just had another go around with tren
And everytime I finish a bottle I swear ill never do it again…
[/quote]
We all have that thought…until it comes time to plan the next cycle and we remember the surges we have on tren
[quote]saps wrote:
[quote]B0nzz wrote:
although I just had another go around with tren
And everytime I finish a bottle I swear ill never do it again…
[/quote]
We all have that thought…until it comes time to plan the next cycle and we remember the surges we have on tren[/quote]
Fuck ya.
Out of all the gear I have tried, Tren is the only one I hate to love…
B0nzz
[quote]B0nzz wrote:
[quote]saps wrote:
[quote]B0nzz wrote:
although I just had another go around with tren
And everytime I finish a bottle I swear ill never do it again…
[/quote]
We all have that thought…until it comes time to plan the next cycle and we remember the surges we have on tren[/quote]
Fuck ya.
Out of all the gear I have tried, Tren is the only one I hate to love…
B0nzz
[/quote]
Yeah I had to make the hard choice not to include it this go around myself. Actually it wasnt that hard since my supply was zilch. But yeah Tren is King. I had to settle for the Prince
[quote]saps wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Arms are lookin great, too, Bonez! Not very boney at all.[/quote]
Thanks, they’re getting there. I think I can hit 17.75 before I get to 185lbs. I feel like I’ve finally figured out how to seriously hit my triceps.
And Tim, thanks, I saw the hat laying around the house and I was bored lol. Just got to find a pair of rabbit ears by April.
/hijack[/quote]
Let the hijacking continue then. Dam Bonez I had no idea you were that “small”. 18" arms and 185lbs damn you must be like 5’2" I was sure you were my size. You must have the Lee Priest thing going on
[/quote]
Naa not that short. 5’7 on the dot. At the moment theyre 17.25 semi-pumped. I’m a bit under 180 right now, but leaner and more muscular that I was at 185 a few months back. My triceps have lagged for so long that’s why I think I can get a half inch with about 5 lean pounds. My arms are long for my height and still don’t have that full, round look you see on guys with better structure. I’ve been working hard to bring them up over the past year though so I’ll get there eventually.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Naa not that short. 5’7 on the dot. At the moment theyre 17.25 semi-pumped. I’m a bit under 180 right now, but leaner and more muscular that I was at 185 a few months back. My triceps have lagged for so long that’s why I think I can get a half inch with about 5 lean pounds. My arms are long for my height and still don’t have that full, round look you see on guys with better structure. I’ve been working hard to bring them up over the past year though so I’ll get there eventually. [/quote]
OK. Looking good and big for 5’7" 180 in your photo
[quote]saps wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Naa not that short. 5’7 on the dot. At the moment theyre 17.25 semi-pumped. I’m a bit under 180 right now, but leaner and more muscular that I was at 185 a few months back. My triceps have lagged for so long that’s why I think I can get a half inch with about 5 lean pounds. My arms are long for my height and still don’t have that full, round look you see on guys with better structure. I’ve been working hard to bring them up over the past year though so I’ll get there eventually. [/quote]
OK. Looking good and big for 5’7" 180 in your photo[/quote]
Fucker’s got abs, too!
'scuse my french, bonez, I’m just jealous. haha