[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
It is tragic, but ofentimes the victims kind of put themselves in harm’s way. Judging from this thread, it sounds like Proof was in a notoriously violent club at 4:30 in the morning in Detroit. He was also carrying a gun.
I realize that sometimes shit happens, but I highly doubt that I’d be carrying a gun into a violent club at that time of night (in Detriot of all places!).
Just FYI, but I have no clue who Proof is. I’ve never heard of the guy, so I’d like to think that I don’t have any biases towards him.[/quote]
Umm…because going unarmed into a violent club after hours would be better?
anybody know if there is self defense of a third party in detroit? in tennessee the man that shot Proof would likely not be charged if he felt that his friends life was in danger.
Kinda like when rapper “shine” went away. If he wouldn’t of clapped first with his sword on those pansy ass cowards, then he wouldn’t be hear today. Just letting ya’ll know from his words, strait up, the truth, as he tells so.But hey, thats MOB life. Tupac is living proof of that, but he chose not to lay his vengence with his sword & turn the other cheek…Death…live by, die by.RIP
Okay, so that’s what – 3 in a decade, or so? I mean, realistically speaking, I don’t think we have to worry about a shortage of rappers. The hard image they present of themselves is largely a myth, according to anyone who is involved with that lifestyle. It’s all show business. They’re entertainers.
Proof was a member of the group known as D12. Their most prominent member Emminem is the biggest act in hip hop. That is what it has to do with hip hop.
In Michigan you can come to another persons defense.
The story I know so far is, after a fight, Proof pistol whipped then shot a recently returned Iraq war veteran in the head . Then the bouncer who was the veterans relative shot Proof. Running off afterwards was not a good move on the relatives part.
Proof should have followed Emminem’s lead and stopped hanging out in the ghetto after he got rich and famous.
[quote]Dragon wrote:
Kinda like when rapper “shine” went away. If he wouldn’t of clapped first with his sword on those pansy ass cowards, then he wouldn’t be hear today. Just letting ya’ll know from his words, strait up, the truth, as he tells so.But hey, thats MOB life. Tupac is living proof of that, but he chose not to lay his vengence with his sword & turn the other cheek…Death…live by, die by.RIP[/quote]
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Proof was a member of the group known as D12. Their most prominent member Emminem is the biggest act in hip hop. That is what it has to do with hip hop.
In Michigan you can come to another persons defense.
The story I know so far is, after a fight, Proof pistol whipped then shot a recently returned Iraq war veteran in the head . Then the bouncer who was the veterans relative shot Proof. Running off afterwards was not a good move on the relatives part.
Proof should have followed Emminem’s lead and stopped hanging out in the ghetto after he got rich and famous.[/quote]
Even if he was a rapper, doesn’t mean his killing has anything to do with hip-hop. People are so quick to jump up and blame hip-hop for when people get shot.
[quote]L-Dizzle wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Proof was a member of the group known as D12. Their most prominent member Emminem is the biggest act in hip hop. That is what it has to do with hip hop.
In Michigan you can come to another persons defense.
The story I know so far is, after a fight, Proof pistol whipped then shot a recently returned Iraq war veteran in the head . Then the bouncer who was the veterans relative shot Proof. Running off afterwards was not a good move on the relatives part.
Proof should have followed Emminem’s lead and stopped hanging out in the ghetto after he got rich and famous.
Even if he was a rapper, doesn’t mean his killing has anything to do with hip-hop. People are so quick to jump up and blame hip-hop for when people get shot.[/quote]
I agree with that. D-12 was “shock rap”. I doubt too many people were taking those lyrics seriously unless they are also insane.
I agree with that. D-12 was “shock rap”. I doubt too many people were taking those lyrics seriously unless they are also insane.[/quote]
I agree, it is just that a very small percentage of 300+ million people is still A LOT of insane people and I don?t think that being insane makes them any less likely ro carry a gun around wherever they go…
It was well known all the shit that went on between Eminem and that Benzino guy. Not that its related, of course, but its got as good of a chance of having something to do with it.
And to the guy that said there were only two rappers that died, I think you’re missing the point. There were two that got killed that were really famous. There’ve aslo been a couple that weren’t as famous.
Not too mention, Shine is in jail, God knows how many others are in jail from their posses, Young Buck stabbed that guy a year ago, etc. It is a true culture of violence that seems like its always in the process of self destructing.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
It was well known all the shit that went on between Eminem and that Benzino guy. Not that its related, of course, but its got as good of a chance of having something to do with it.
And to the guy that said there were only two rappers that died, I think you’re missing the point. There were two that got killed that were really famous. There’ve aslo been a couple that weren’t as famous.
Not too mention, Shine is in jail, God knows how many others are in jail from their posses, Young Buck stabbed that guy a year ago, etc. It is a true culture of violence that seems like its always in the process of self destructing.[/quote]
When getting shot can make the difference between your album being ignored and going platinum, money is what keeps that going. It isn’t like Record companies are against it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
It was well known all the shit that went on between Eminem and that Benzino guy. Not that its related, of course, but its got as good of a chance of having something to do with it.
And to the guy that said there were only two rappers that died, I think you’re missing the point. There were two that got killed that were really famous. There’ve aslo been a couple that weren’t as famous.
Not too mention, Shine is in jail, God knows how many others are in jail from their posses, Young Buck stabbed that guy a year ago, etc. It is a true culture of violence that seems like its always in the process of self destructing.
When getting shot can make the difference between your album being ignored and going platinum, money is what keeps that going. It isn’t like Record companies are against it.[/quote]
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
It was well known all the shit that went on between Eminem and that Benzino guy. Not that its related, of course, but its got as good of a chance of having something to do with it.
And to the guy that said there were only two rappers that died, I think you’re missing the point. There were two that got killed that were really famous. There’ve aslo been a couple that weren’t as famous.
Not too mention, Shine is in jail, God knows how many others are in jail from their posses, Young Buck stabbed that guy a year ago, etc. It is a true culture of violence that seems like its always in the process of self destructing.[/quote]
More than a couple that have died or were killed:
Proof
Tupac
Biggie
Big Pun
Big L
Freaky Tah
J Dilla
ODB
Jam Master Jay
Not to mention all the more lesser knowns Blade Icewood, the crap going on in Atlanta and the stuff that was happening between midwest and Bay area rappers.
Seems we’re losing our artists at a lot faster rate than other genres.
Not too mention, Shine is in jail, God knows how many others are in jail from their posses, Young Buck stabbed that guy a year ago, etc. It is a true culture of violence that seems like its always in the process of self destructing.[/quote]
I personally cannot wait until it does, completely self destruct. I just can’t have a drop of sympathy for what happened and who it happened to. He chose that life right? He chose to act tough and hardcore right?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
It was well known all the shit that went on between Eminem and that Benzino guy. Not that its related, of course, but its got as good of a chance of having something to do with it.
And to the guy that said there were only two rappers that died, I think you’re missing the point. There were two that got killed that were really famous. There’ve aslo been a couple that weren’t as famous.
Not too mention, Shine is in jail, God knows how many others are in jail from their posses, Young Buck stabbed that guy a year ago, etc. It is a true culture of violence that seems like its always in the process of self destructing.
When getting shot can make the difference between your album being ignored and going platinum, money is what keeps that going. It isn’t like Record companies are against it.[/quote]
Reminds me of the incident on the Sopranos where, Treach’s character pays off Bobby to shoot him in the leg so he can get his name in the paper and get some publicity like his labelmate that was shot 7 times.
[quote]Shakey D wrote:
Professor X wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
It was well known all the shit that went on between Eminem and that Benzino guy. Not that its related, of course, but its got as good of a chance of having something to do with it.
And to the guy that said there were only two rappers that died, I think you’re missing the point. There were two that got killed that were really famous. There’ve aslo been a couple that weren’t as famous.
Not too mention, Shine is in jail, God knows how many others are in jail from their posses, Young Buck stabbed that guy a year ago, etc. It is a true culture of violence that seems like its always in the process of self destructing.
When getting shot can make the difference between your album being ignored and going platinum, money is what keeps that going. It isn’t like Record companies are against it.
Reminds me of the incident on the Sopranos where, Treach’s character pays off Bobby to shoot him in the leg so he can get his name in the paper and get some publicity like his labelmate that was shot 7 times.[/quote]
Treach is on the Sopranos? I have never watched that show. Sorry for being out of the loop.
[quote]Shakey D wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
It was well known all the shit that went on between Eminem and that Benzino guy. Not that its related, of course, but its got as good of a chance of having something to do with it.
And to the guy that said there were only two rappers that died, I think you’re missing the point. There were two that got killed that were really famous. There’ve aslo been a couple that weren’t as famous.
Not too mention, Shine is in jail, God knows how many others are in jail from their posses, Young Buck stabbed that guy a year ago, etc. It is a true culture of violence that seems like its always in the process of self destructing.
More than a couple that have died or were killed:
Proof
Tupac
Biggie
Big Pun
Big L
Freaky Tah
J Dilla
ODB
Jam Master Jay
Not to mention all the more lesser knowns Blade Icewood, the crap going on in Atlanta and the stuff that was happening between midwest and Bay area rappers.
Seems we’re losing our artists at a lot faster rate than other genres.
[/quote]
[quote]Shakey D wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
It was well known all the shit that went on between Eminem and that Benzino guy. Not that its related, of course, but its got as good of a chance of having something to do with it.
And to the guy that said there were only two rappers that died, I think you’re missing the point. There were two that got killed that were really famous. There’ve aslo been a couple that weren’t as famous.
Not too mention, Shine is in jail, God knows how many others are in jail from their posses, Young Buck stabbed that guy a year ago, etc. It is a true culture of violence that seems like its always in the process of self destructing.
More than a couple that have died or were killed:
Proof
Tupac
Biggie
Big Pun
Big L
Freaky Tah
J Dilla
ODB
Jam Master Jay
Not to mention all the more lesser knowns Blade Icewood, the crap going on in Atlanta and the stuff that was happening between midwest and Bay area rappers.
Seems we’re losing our artists at a lot faster rate than other genres.
[/quote]
What’s going on in ATL?
What’s happening b/w midwest and bay area?
Well, as was stated previously, live by the sword, die by the sword.
I have a problem feeling any empathy for these guys…they promote, encourage and profit from the thug mentality and so impress the youth with this go no where thug mentality that its almost easy to say that they got what they truly deserve.
You don’t see any gospel singers getting shot or any other artists from any other genre. But this gangster bullshit and thug mentality draws their won fire and sadly to some extent the idiots all seem to consider this some form of honor and the dead ones are revered. This gangster shit serves society no good purpose whatsoever. And, further, aside from the few musical riffs they steal from true artists, you can’t really consider this shit music. MHO.