[quote]hspder wrote:
hedo wrote:
So Hspder is an internet character portrayed for the benefit of the masses. How much of the Hspder character is real and how much is made up? At least you’ve finally come clean to some degree.
Well, everything I revealed about my professional and academic life (as well as my wife’s) is absolutely real. It is my personal life and my personality that I will keep you wondering about…
I mean, even if I wanted to tell you anything about my personal life, you wouldn’t believe half of it anyway.
Either way, I can safely say that if you met me in real life, you probably would have a hard time reconciling the real me with what is undoubtedly the image you created of me.
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Well that’s the thing about people who make things up about themselves. You really can’t trust what they say about anything. It’s a stretch to believe them when they say “but…but this part was true”.
The more people boast, the less of it seems to be true.
You really boast, a lot. People that boast on annonymous forums tend to be compensating for something that’s missing.
I don’t know Hspder. You disclosed that your internet persona is a “character” but a lot of it’s based in fact. I am sure you see the problem with a bunch of strangers believing that.
It’s like when someone says they bench 600. at 220ibs. You want to see the video.
Maybe I’m wrong but it’s a judgement call at this point.
[quote]hspder wrote:
The reason people like Al Gore and Hilary Clinton are accused of being elitist pricks is a mixture of self-doubt and self-fulfilling prophecy (people WANT to believe they’re elitist, rather than accepting they are simply smarter than the average American). It is not based on reality, i.e., they’re not really elitist pricks. So the strategy would be in fact very likely to backfire, since if they were being called on that, it wouldn’t be too hard for them to switch gears and manage the perception without betraying their fundamental beliefs.[/quote]
Wrong. I have friends who were on the staff of Gore, and I know for a indisputable fact that he is a 100% elitist douchebag.
Most of us lowly commoners have a degree, although certainly not to your refinement, of social abilities. One that is common is the ability to see when someone is trying to bullshit us. In our eyes, one qualification as an elitist when they obviously lie to us, and think we are too stupid to see it. As is the case with Ms. Rodham-Clinton. Her shining, telling moments of elitism include her wide-eyed look of amazement and shock claiming she had no idea her husband was a philanderer. Bullshit. He’d been chasing tail for decades and she had to know it. She clearly lied, and must have thought we were so stupid, we wouldn’t catch it. Elitist. Same for her husband with the whole “Ah did not have sexual rullations with that womun.”
Similar for Kerry. Put himself in for valor awards from combat. Then did the whole flip-flop thing. You can’t treat the people like we are totally stupid and get away with it.
I know all politicians lie. But, you at least have to be able to say something was based on bad intelligence or bad sushi or something. Become better liars. You guys aren’t even trying.
I would vote for a Dem if they had a record I could somewhat agree with, a platform with realistic goals/plans, and I didn’t have glaring reasons to doubt their sincerity or integrity (other than just being a lying politician). With 2 poor choices, most choose conservative.
I’m not saying Romney is flawless, but he is doing well and has broken with the Reps with his health care program. I don’t see the GOP preparing the kindling under a pike for him. I am sure you think the whole GOP is made up of either mindless cattle or members of an secret society known as “The Pentaverate”, who includes; the Queen of England, the Ghetty’s, the Rothchild’s, and COL Sanders before he went tits up (ok, I can’t remember the other member…must be Karl Rove.)
However, everyday Republicans are intelligent, common sense people with low tolerance for BS, who want to be able to keep what they earn without unnecessary spending. Not that the current administration is doing that.
If you fail to see the logic in that, it is no wonder the dems are losing. You would have to remain in control of the government to make the change in Iraq. If you lose because of the soccer mom vote, you can’t implement any policy.
Finally, you’re correct on a topic here. Congrats.
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BostonBarrister wrote:
I think totalitarian fascism has been defined down if all that it takes to implement it is a string of speeches from a President who can’t be re-elected in 2008 that are critical of those who disagree with him…
hspder wrote:
Yeah, 'cause his speeches are of no consequence – neither is his (probably successful) attempt at blackmailing our legislators.
Nor is the fact that his popularity INCREASED during that same week.
Yeah, right.[/quote]
If one is of the opinion that the voters aren’t necessarily well educated or informed, which is more likely, that they have followed the Presidents’ speeches meticulously and are just itching to tease out any possibly nefarious pieces to move everyone further toward totalitarianism, or that the President’s popularity has increased with lower gas prices?
[quote]hedo wrote:
The more people boast, the less of it seems to be true.
It’s like when someone says they bench 600. at 220ibs. You want to see the video.[/quote]
Absolutely. Couldn’t agree more. The problem is – that’s not what’s happening here.
HH’s thoughts are particularly amusing to me, because, he claims “well he’s clearly highly intelligent, but he’s probably the janitor. No way he has 3 PhDs!”.
The thing is, if he was right, he just “admitted” I’m highly intelligent – a pretty big compliment – while the 3 PhDs thing is pretty irrelevant. If I was an Internet troll just vying for attention, I just got exactly what I wanted.
With him being wrong, it just becomes hilarious; I’m not really trying to get my posts published in a peer-reviewed publication here – if you don’t believe my credentials, it’s completely irrelevant!
Then again, HH might be another creation of mine. Think about it.
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BostonBarrister wrote:
the President’s popularity has increased with lower gas prices?
hspder wrote:
So, people are even dumber than I say they are?
OK, fine – they’re not loving the fascism thing, they are simply too stupid to tell.
How does that make things better – other than you are agreeing with me that the US population’s stupidity is beyond hope? [/quote]
They tend to blame, or credit, the chief executive for things beyond his control. And not to pay close attention to the details.
But, as a consolation, I don’t think it’s any worse now than it’s been in the past, and somehow we’ve managed to avoid the rising fascism that we’re incessantly warned is approaching just beyond the horizon whenever there is a Republican in the White House…
[quote]NE2000 wrote:
Similar for Kerry. Put himself in for valor awards from combat. Then did the whole flip-flop thing. You can’t treat the people like we are totally stupid and get away with it.
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I have an old friend, moved away now, who was a Swifty. He never called Kery by his name, just ‘that son of a bitch!’.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
They tend to blame, or credit, the chief executive for things beyond his control. And not to pay close attention to the details.[/quote]
Ergo, they’re dumb – and perverting the Democratic process; at least the way it was intended to work.
[quote]hspder wrote:
hedo wrote:
The more people boast, the less of it seems to be true.
It’s like when someone says they bench 600. at 220ibs. You want to see the video.
Absolutely. Couldn’t agree more. The problem is – that’s not what’s happening here.
HH’s thoughts are particularly amusing to me, because, he claims “well he’s clearly highly intelligent, but he’s probably the janitor. No way he has 3 PhDs!”.
The thing is, if he was right, he just “admitted” I’m highly intelligent – a pretty big compliment – while the 3 PhDs thing is pretty irrelevant. If I was an Internet troll just vying for attention, I just got exactly what I wanted.
With him being wrong, it just becomes hilarious; I’m not really trying to get my posts published in a peer-reviewed publication here – if you don’t believe my credentials, it’s completely irrelevant!
Then again, HH might be another creation of mine. Think about it.
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Well we’re talking about you not HH.
It’s relevant when one substitutes alleged credentials or personal relationships in lieu of reason. You’ve done that a lot.
You choose to post here. No need to denegrate the forum because you don’t think a bunch of bodybuilding enthusiasts are your peers. I doubt if many would consider a “caricture” one of ours.
Your tolerable when you stick to the issue being discussed. Your insufferable when you are in full character.
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BostonBarrister wrote:
They tend to blame, or credit, the chief executive for things beyond his control. And not to pay close attention to the details.
hspder wrote:
Ergo, they’re dumb – and perverting the Democratic process; at least the way it was intended to work.
At least that we can agree on, correct?[/quote]
I’ve never been a fan of getting out the vote merely for the sake of getting out the vote. And I don’t think increasing the percentage of popular participation in elections is a good thing in and of itself – it would be a good thing if it were an increase in informed voters, but, sadly, that’s not usually the case.
If an individual is apathetic and/or uninformed, it’s best he stays home.
[quote]hspder wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
They tend to blame, or credit, the chief executive for things beyond his control. And not to pay close attention to the details.
Ergo, they’re dumb – and perverting the Democratic process; at least the way it was intended to work.
At least that we can agree on, correct?[/quote]
DO you ever get dizzy from chasing your tail like you do, hspder?
You have blamed Bush for everything but heart disease, yet it is the dumb general public that is too stupid to know tolook deeper?
I don’t know what medications you are on - but dial down the dose. More IS NOT BETTER.
If you are not on heavy medication - then you have just taken the Deaniac plunge into schizo-land.
Re-read that PATRIOT Act. Because it hasn’t affected you yet does not mean that your rights are still there.
With the fear mongering jive bullshit that Bush/Cheney have been pulling, they can get away with far too much as far as infringement on personal rights (and they have).
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Granted, it took a while for the press to catch up to this reality. For two or three years following 9/11, it was often repeated that the USA Patriot Act had dramatically changed civil liberties laws in the United States. Everyone seemed to think that the Patriot Act had changed everything, with the caveat that no one seemed to know what was actually in the Patriot Act. In time, though, more and more people have begun to realize that the Patriot Act (fortunately) was never anything like the hype. And I think we can all agree on the basic constitutional picture: the constitutional law “on the books” as it relates to civil liberties is pretty much the same today as it was on September 10, 2001.
[quote]hedo wrote:
You choose to post here. No need to denegrate the forum because you don’t think a bunch of bodybuilding enthusiasts are your peers. I doubt if many would consider a “caricture” one of ours.[/quote]
Huh?
I’m sorry, but now even you can clearly see you’re not making any sense.
First of all, of COURSE I think this specific group of bodybuilding enthusiasts are my peers. If I didn’t, trust me, I would be posting elsewhere.
I have been interested in strength training since I was a pre-teen – I started lifting weights when I was 11. Unfortunately, among other things, the death of my parents took me away from regular lifting for too long, and I was only able to come back half a decade ago. But it stayed a big part of me – so much so that if you ever actually meet me and/or my wife it would be pretty obvious.
Furthermore, as a scientist, I have enormous respect for Biotest’s still scientific approach to supplementation, and T-Nation’s still scientific approach to strength training. I have no doubt that Biotest has helped me be in what is the best shape of my life – yes, even better than when I was 16.
That is why this is a natural place for me to be in.
But second, this is still an Internet forum – something I’ve also been a part of since, as a little kid, I sat down next to my father, as he was part of Internet’s (more specifically, ARPANET’s) earliest History right over here – SRI, then known as the Stanford Research Institute, hosted one of the original four network nodes. The very first transmission on the ARPANET, on 29th October 1969, was from UCLA to SRI. And Internet forums have since then had their own rules, and caricatures and satire are a big part of it – it just lends itself perfectly to them… especially when it comes to bodybuilding and supplements, two areas that are so rich in caricatures…
Wrong. I have friends who were on the staff of Gore, and I know for a indisputable fact that he is a 100% elitist douchebag. [/quote]
Look, that attack is REALLY getting old. Just a few days ago I watched Robert Novak use the same attack on Jon Stewart, and some newspaper columnist again using the same attack on Olbermann; and that attack has been used on me so many times that I decided to stop counting once it reached 100. Newsflash: it’s a joke.
Jon Stewart is a professional comedian on a comedy channel, and anyone who thinks Olbermann or I isn’t joking half of the time should be forced to watch Curb Your Enthusiasm reruns until their ears started to bleed.
By using that attack so tirelessly, you’re making it a joke that nobody pays any attention to – it’s one of those “boy that cried wolf” things. But please continue – the more you use it, the less likely is for people to actually pay any attention to it, which is good for elitist douchebags like me, Gore, Stewart and Olbermann.
By the way, I find it very convenient for you to have friends who were “on” the staff of Gore, especially ones that claim he is an elitist douchebag. That doesn’t compute, I’m sorry – even if you have such friends and they indeed worked for him (convenient enough by itself), why would they say something like that about the candidate they supported in 2000’s election?
It would be even more unlikely than me badmouthing Stanford. I mean, if he is indeed a douchebag, the fact that they stayed working for him just means that they’re douchebags also – and most douchebags don’t go around telling their friends “I’m with douchebag”.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
DO you ever get dizzy from chasing your tail like you do, hspder?
You have blamed Bush for everything but heart disease, yet it is the dumb general public that is too stupid to know tolook deeper?[/quote]
Errrr… You do know yours is a self-contradicting argument, right?
If responding the way people did is in fact dumb (something that BB agreed and you didn’t refute) by your own argument I’m dumb too so I can’t be right, so they can’t really be dumb but then I’m not either, ergo I am right… but that means I’m dumb so I can’t be… and so on.
The only possible way of solving the contradiction while still justifying people’s response to lower gas prices is that I am right, so people are dumb but I’m not (since I’m right). Any other combination either invalidates the premise you and BB supported or is self-contradictory.
[quote]hspder wrote:
hedo wrote:
You choose to post here. No need to denegrate the forum because you don’t think a bunch of bodybuilding enthusiasts are your peers. I doubt if many would consider a “caricture” one of ours.
Huh?
I’m sorry, but now even you can clearly see you’re not making any sense.
First of all, of COURSE I think this specific group of bodybuilding enthusiasts are my peers. If I didn’t, trust me, I would be posting elsewhere.
I have been interested in strength training since I was a pre-teen – I started lifting weights when I was 11. Unfortunately, among other things, the death of my parents took me away from regular lifting for too long, and I was only able to come back half a decade ago. But it stayed a big part of me – so much so that if you ever actually meet me and/or my wife it would be pretty obvious.
Furthermore, as a scientist, I have enormous respect for Biotest’s still scientific approach to supplementation, and T-Nation’s still scientific approach to strength training. I have no doubt that Biotest has helped me be in what is the best shape of my life – yes, even better than when I was 16.
That is why this is a natural place for me to be in.
But second, this is still an Internet forum – something I’ve also been a part of since, as a little kid, I sat down next to my father, as he was part of Internet’s (more specifically, ARPANET’s) earliest History right over here – SRI, then known as the Stanford Research Institute, hosted one of the original four network nodes. The very first transmission on the ARPANET, on 29th October 1969, was from UCLA to SRI. And Internet forums have since then had their own rules, and caricatures and satire are a big part of it – it just lends itself perfectly to them… especially when it comes to bodybuilding and supplements, two areas that are so rich in caricatures…
Just open your eyes.
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My eyes are wide open oh self appointed exhalted one. I also have the benefit of integrity going for me. Certainly something you, or your “character” are sorely lacking. Even you can see that can’t you?
You look down on everyone, even those who put up with the boorish behavior. Nice backpedal however. When you don’t, try demonstrating that in your posting.
Slight improvement in your boasting though…you didn’t claim to be a former Mr. Universe of even having invented the internet, although I’m sure Al Gore no doubt consulted with you before going public with it…am I right?
