Dealing With a Violent Bipolar Woman

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[quote]Rob in WDC wrote:

It’s not a question of my knowing how to research. If by ‘how’ you mean how to pay for it or find the time to do it for my board since I can’t do it at work – then I agree with you. Yes, I could go to my law school’s library, but then the Board would have to pay ME, because I’m not spending my free time doing what I do for 60+ hrs during the week. :slight_smile:

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Isn’t it pretty common for lawyers within an association to donate their time and expertise, especially when on the board? We have lawyer on our association who takes care of certain legal issues without pay. Additionally, my friend is an attorney and has donated her time to her association.

I guess your time is more valuable?

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[quote]christine wrote:
Rob in WDC wrote:

It’s not a question of my knowing how to research. If by ‘how’ you mean how to pay for it or find the time to do it for my board since I can’t do it at work – then I agree with you. Yes, I could go to my law school’s library, but then the Board would have to pay ME, because I’m not spending my free time doing what I do for 60+ hrs during the week. :slight_smile:

Isn’t it pretty common for lawyers within an association to donate their time and expertise, especially when on the board? We have lawyer on our association who takes care of certain legal issues without pay. Additionally, my friend is an attorney and has donated her time to her association.

I guess your time is more valuable?[/quote]

I was a member of my Board for 2 years and have volunteered countless hours to the Board and building matters since 2005 when I first moved in, and continue to do so as a non-member. I hit the ground running with volunteer services. Aside from the fact that the contract with my employer does not allow me to “moonlight” legal services, the main reason I won’t do legal work officially for the board isn’t really time - it’s malpractice liability - if we were going to turn this over to the legal process and go to court, I would want our hired lawyer do it for liability reasons.

I can’t afford to be sued for malpractice if I do something wrong. I’m sure your friend donated her time for much less volatile legal reasons. This BPD woman threatened to sue me several times for frivolous reasons while I was on the Board. I can only imagine she would be watching any move I made while I was helping the Board sue her for harassment.

So don’t get me wrong, I am working very closely with the Board behind the scenes so they don’t have to call the official lawyer and run up a bill. So in a way, I actually AM donating my legal services. I just do not have access to free legal research that I feel justified in relying on.

Anyway, once again, a thread has gone far afield of the subject matter. If anyone has advice about the issue (a problematic woman with BPD), please post, otherwise just send me a private message or something about how idiotic you think I am, or whatever… thanks!

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I’m tired of hearing you whine and bitch. Every time you are given a suggestion it comes down to you not wanting to spend money or time to do anything. If you know of a way to resolve conflicts without any effort make sure to let us all know. Otherwise, you need to decide if this situation is as problematic as you make it out to be.

Lastly, it is pretty obvious you are just trolling up the boards and arn’t who you say you are. If you actually did go to a big time law school and know all the best lawyers then how come this shit isn’t resolved? Even sleaze bag lawyers know the right people to contact to get a restraining order. You telling me the board was stupid enough to not have a stipulation for extenuating circumstances? If not then have fun waiting till your next annual meeting.

Pull your pants up or admit that you’re really a commercial clothing model for A&F.

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[quote]GhorigTheBeefy wrote:
I’m tired of hearing you whine and bitch. Every time you are given a suggestion it comes down to you not wanting to spend money or time to do anything. If you know of a way to resolve conflicts without any effort make sure to let us all know. Otherwise, you need to decide if this situation is as problematic as you make it out to be.

Lastly, it is pretty obvious you are just trolling up the boards and arn’t who you say you are. If you actually did go to a big time law school and know all the best lawyers then how come this shit isn’t resolved? Even sleaze bag lawyers know the right people to contact to get a restraining order. You telling me the board was stupid enough to not have a stipulation for extenuating circumstances? If not then have fun waiting till your next annual meeting.

Pull your pants up or admit that you’re really a commercial clothing model for A&F.[/quote]

hella funny screenname

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[quote]GhorigTheBeefy wrote:
I’m tired of hearing you whine and bitch. Every time you are given a suggestion it comes down to you not wanting to spend money or time to do anything. If you know of a way to resolve conflicts without any effort make sure to let us all know. Otherwise, you need to decide if this situation is as problematic as you make it out to be.

Lastly, it is pretty obvious you are just trolling up the boards and arn’t who you say you are. If you actually did go to a big time law school and know all the best lawyers then how come this shit isn’t resolved? Even sleaze bag lawyers know the right people to contact to get a restraining order. You telling me the board was stupid enough to not have a stipulation for extenuating circumstances? If not then have fun waiting till your next annual meeting.

Pull your pants up or admit that you’re really a commercial clothing model for A&F.[/quote]

HAHA! You are hilarious! Did you even read my post? I did say I spent a LOT of time and effort volunteering for the Board. And I would spend money if I thought it was worth it, but the Board of our 180 unit building already HAS a lawyer.

So are you retarded or just illiterate? Because if you WERE literate, you’d read about the efforts I said we have already taken. This thread is merely seeking out opinions from similarly situated people with similar problems with their building. And, I don’t know what the Board was thinking in 1969 when this building was built, but I am not sure they envisioned a crazy woman harassing the Board.

If you read all my posts you’d know that I said that Condominium law is not a popular practice area, so there aren’t enough lawyers to begin with. But, I do know lots of lawyers, and referred the lawyer we have now. I hired him last year when I was President of the Board. Now that I am not on the Board I am trying to help the Board save some money by trying to find alternatives to deal with this situation. So again, why don’t you open mouth, insert foot. This should teach you to run your mouth about things you don’t know about.

Most people who have given me advice understand what I am asking-- I am asking for stories from people who know people with BPD who can tell me what they have done. In that way, I am helping the board devise a strategy for dealing with her.

Jesus there are some dumb people out there!

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Look out!

It’s thought this guy was manic depressive.

http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/Police-investigating-murdersuicide-in-Cumberland-RI/1207999205.html

PS It was finally ruled as a murder suicide yesterday.

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[quote]Rob in WDC wrote:
Isn’t the point of a message Board to bring up issues you are having? If I came here and told you about the other 98% of my life that is fantastic, you all would be bored to tears!

Octobergirl, are you saying I have too much drama in my life? What other drama have I talked about on this message board? All the other posts are posts giving my opinion about OTHER people’s drama…I wasn’t the OP of “My neighbors want to kill me”, nor did I have anything to do with the white trash girl on girl fight in Florida.

Maybe you are talking to someone else on the Board…?[/quote]

Welcome to T-Nation.

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Can’t be bothered reading the thread but maybe just tell her to fuck off? Maybe she keeps coming back because she thinks you are listening to her concerns.

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[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
Can’t be bothered reading the thread but maybe just tell her to fuck off? Maybe she keeps coming back because she thinks you are listening to her concerns.[/quote]

We tried telling the OP to fuck off, but he keeps coming back.

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[quote]Rob in WDC wrote:

HAHA! You are hilarious! Did you even read my post? I did say I spent a LOT of time and effort volunteering for the Board. And I would spend money if I thought it was worth it, but the Board of our 180 unit building already HAS a lawyer.
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So you already spent a bunch of time and it didn’t do anything obviously. So you just gonna give up? Cause if you are it can’t really be bothering you that much and you should stop talking about it.

[quote]Rob in WDC wrote:
So are you retarded or just illiterate? Because if you WERE literate, you’d read about the efforts I said we have already taken. This thread is merely seeking out opinions from similarly situated people with similar problems with their building. And, I don’t know what the Board was thinking in 1969 when this building was built, but I am not sure they envisioned a crazy woman harassing the Board.
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Nope not retarded and I can read just fine. So far your efforts have amounted to talking, letters and a couple meetings with no results. Hey I guess that is true lawyer fashion waste as much time as possible so you can charge the client more.

Seriously though you identify the major problem with the board dating back from 1969. There still no way to change it without waiting till your annual meeting?

[quote]Rob in WDC wrote:
If you read all my posts you’d know that I said that Condominium law is not a popular practice area, so there aren’t enough lawyers to begin with.
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Did you not learn how to open a Yellow Book? Hint: Look under real estate lawyer/attorney if you don’t have a specific section for condo law.

UBER GOOD ADVICE NO BULLSHIT E-POSTURING!!!

Locate and goto your local Real Estate owners club. More than likely several of the members are lawyers or have the phone #'s to people to get this done. When you reply all you have to do is ask and I can give you links to your local group.

END OF ADVICE

[quote]Rob in WDC wrote:
But, I do know lots of lawyers, and referred the lawyer we have now. I hired him last year when I was President of the Board. Now that I am not on the Board I am trying to help the Board save some money by trying to find alternatives to deal with this situation. So again, why don’t you open mouth, insert foot. This should teach you to run your mouth about things you don’t know about.
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Didn’t really prove me wrong in any sense…maybe lookup logical fallacies. Also, if you seriously have had this lawyer for a year I’d fire him/her. He/she obviously isn’t doing anything for you.

[quote]Rob in WDC wrote:
Most people who have given me advice understand what I am asking-- I am asking for stories from people who know people with BPD who can tell me what they have done. In that way, I am helping the board devise a strategy for dealing with her.
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I LIED MORE GOOD ADVICE!!!

Please just get a restraining order to help you build up your case. In fact get one for every person in the building that can legally get one.

This isn’t some bitchy person that you can just compliment them and get on their good side. You could video tape her being insane then show her when she is normal. However, this will probably just make her paranoid and make her think you all orchestrated it. Mental disorders are very sad in that respect. People that they know love them and should want the best for them won’t be listened to or trusted even with undeniable proof.

Do you have a closed circuit video system that could be used to monitor her predatory ambush tactics?

END OF GOOD ADVICE 4 SHO!!!

[quote]Rob in WDC wrote:
Jesus there are some dumb people out there!
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Jesus told me he doesn’t like you cause you smell…and I’m not a believer.

Oh and OctoberGirl I’m glad you like my name my gf helped me come up with it. I’m not sure if that is good or bad I’ll let you fantasize. I wear my pants pulled up as well =p

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I would be quite annoyed if my condo association dues went to paying for “allegedly the best [condo attorney] in DC” because board members couldn’t handle an old lady yelling at them every few months over decisions with which she disagrees.

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These T-Nation threads seem to be an excercise in “how fast can we get off topic; and how fast can we attack the OP?”

I want to thank everyone who answered my original query. It’s been helpful. If there are more people who can comment on my original post, I’d love to hear. I’d especially like to hear from fellow Barristers.

Oh, and thanks for your most recent post, GhorigTheBeefy, it’s helpful. According to our property management company, we need a large percentage of unit owners present to vote. And the largest attendance is at our annual meeting. The rest of your advice is also very helpful. thanks.

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[quote]Rob in WDC wrote:
Aside from the fact that the contract with my employer does not allow me to “moonlight” legal services, the main reason I won’t do legal work officially for the board isn’t really time - it’s malpractice liability - if we were going to turn this over to the legal process and go to court, I would want our hired lawyer do it for liability reasons.

I can’t afford to be sued for malpractice if I do something wrong. I’m sure your friend donated her time for much less volatile legal reasons. This BPD woman threatened to sue me several times for frivolous reasons while I was on the Board. I can only imagine she would be watching any move I made while I was helping the Board sue her for harassment.

So don’t get me wrong, I am working very closely with the Board behind the scenes so they don’t have to call the official lawyer and run up a bill. So in a way, I actually AM donating my legal services. I just do not have access to free legal research that I feel justified in relying on.

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Dude. Come on. For such a high-powered attorney your lack of knowledge is astounding.

I am a partner in an insurance brokerage. One of our primary products is LPL.

You could buy a part-time policy for probably $5-600 per year assuming you have not had any complaints or claims already.

If you are going to be volunteering your time (I still don’t believe you are an attorney) you should have one, anyway.

Surely you have contacts that can help you with this.

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[quote]apwsearch wrote:
Rob in WDC wrote:
Aside from the fact that the contract with my employer does not allow me to “moonlight” legal services, the main reason I won’t do legal work officially for the board isn’t really time - it’s malpractice liability - if we were going to turn this over to the legal process and go to court, I would want our hired lawyer do it for liability reasons.

I can’t afford to be sued for malpractice if I do something wrong. I’m sure your friend donated her time for much less volatile legal reasons. This BPD woman threatened to sue me several times for frivolous reasons while I was on the Board. I can only imagine she would be watching any move I made while I was helping the Board sue her for harassment.

So don’t get me wrong, I am working very closely with the Board behind the scenes so they don’t have to call the official lawyer and run up a bill. So in a way, I actually AM donating my legal services. I just do not have access to free legal research that I feel justified in relying on.

Dude. Come on. For such a high-powered attorney your lack of knowledge is astounding.

I am a partner in an insurance brokerage. One of our primary products is LPL.

You could buy a part-time policy for probably $5-600 per year assuming you have not had any complaints or claims already.

If you are going to be volunteering your time (I still don’t believe you are an attorney) you should have one, anyway.

Surely you have contacts that can help you with this.[/quote]

Lack of knowledge of what exactly?

Your lack of paying attention is astounding. I am not on the Board right NOW. Board members DO have insurance. I am insured by my firm for the work I do for THEM…which is why I cannot moonlight as the Board attorney.

I have no complaints, and I make QUITE enough money to not have to do anything on the side which would require a private policy. Thanks again…but no thanks!

And I DO have contacts I am using. I wanted to throw it out to T-Nation just to see if anyone had the same problems with crazy condo owners. Many have offered great advice, and I appreciate it. It’s much the same advice as Im hearing from my coveted contacts.

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[quote]Rob in WDC wrote:
Lack of knowledge of what exactly? [/quote]

Things you should be aware of, specifically.

I know literally hundreds of attorneys and not one of them would be restricted from volunteering their time. Get your own policy, junior.

That’s not the point. Amusingly the point should be quite clear to you as you puffed up your chest about suing a poster here for slander or some such frivilous nonsense.

You should have a policy to protect yourself in the event someone decides to include you in a suit based on volunteer work you did. You are not protected just because you volunteered. Surely you know this based on CE you have taken or coursework at your esteemed university?!?

BTW, I would compare tax returns with you any time, pal. I’m not impressed.

You are sooo full of crap. Just quit the charade.

You clearly can’t find your ass with both hands.

Now run along.

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[quote]apwsearch wrote:

You clearly can’t find your ass with both hands.

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Sure he can it is hanging out of his pants. Seriously, please get a new avatar my GF thought I was surfing some gay douche site.

Anywho, I actually don’t have any specific information for Real Estate Investment clubs in D.C. However, I’ve got a link for thats info listed for clubs in the surrounding states. http://www.reiclub.com/real-estate-clubs/Washington%20DC.html

The forums are also a good place to ask some questions. However, they are probably just going to repeat what we’ve already discussed.

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[quote]apwsearch wrote:
Rob in WDC wrote:
Lack of knowledge of what exactly?

Things you should be aware of, specifically.

Your lack of paying attention is astounding. I am not on the Board right NOW. Board members DO have insurance. I am insured by my firm for the work I do for THEM…which is why I cannot moonlight as the Board attorney.

I know literally hundreds of attorneys and not one of them would be restricted from volunteering their time. Get your own policy, junior.

I have no complaints, and I make QUITE enough money to not have to do anything on the side which would require a private policy. Thanks again…but no thanks!

That’s not the point. Amusingly the point should be quite clear to you as you puffed up your chest about suing a poster here for slander or some such frivilous nonsense.

You should have a policy to protect yourself in the event someone decides to include you in a suit based on volunteer work you did. You are not protected just because you volunteered. Surely you know this based on CE you have taken or coursework at your esteemed university?!?

BTW, I would compare tax returns with you any time, pal. I’m not impressed.

And I DO have contacts I am using. I wanted to throw it out to T-Nation just to see if anyone had the same problems with crazy condo owners. Many have offered great advice, and I appreciate it. It’s much the same advice as Im hearing from my coveted contacts.

You are sooo full of crap. Just quit the charade.

You clearly can’t find your ass with both hands.

Now run along.

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I’d be surprised if a LPL policy would be that cheap for him. And some E&O and D&O policies will cover volunteers I believe (I’d have to have the policy in front of me). Anyway, I don’t understand why you’re breaking his balls (am I missing something here?) but what makes him obligated to gallop in on his white horse and start doing volunteer legal work for a Condo BOD - or haven’t you seen any of their messy claims that comes with the territory? By nature, most condo BOD are very litigious or targets for litigation. Why would any attorney wade into those waters with nothing to gain? Pay for a policy you don’t need otherwise, provide legal services and open yourself to becoming a defendant and/or a malpractice claim…for what?

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

I’d be surprised if a LPL policy would be that cheap for him. And some E&O and D&O policies will cover volunteers I believe (I’d have to have the policy in front of me). Anyway, I don’t understand why you’re breaking his balls (am I missing something here?) but what makes him obligated to gallop in on his white horse and start doing volunteer legal work for a Condo BOD - or haven’t you seen any of their messy claims that comes with the territory? By nature, most condo BOD are very litigious or targets for litigation. Why would any attorney wade into those waters with nothing to gain? Pay for a policy you don’t need otherwise, provide legal services and open yourself to becoming a defendant and/or a malpractice claim…for what?

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Dude, I didn’t read all of your post because frankly I am getting bored with this but I only posted what I did in response to his assertion that the primary barrier to him getting involved was liablity.

Specifically:

There is a simple solution to this. Trust me. This is an incredibly soft market right now for LPL and their is no question in my mind he could find a part time policy for easily <$1000. His AOP in this case would not be a big deal for most carriers. Since he is such a high earner this should be no big deal and he may even be able to write it off.

I don’t want to get into a conversation about policy specifics because it is pointless. We have no visibility to this and I assume he is making statements based on a knowledge of the circumstances under which he is operating.

Bottom line, I think this guy is an attention whore and not who he says he is and am mildly entertained by this.

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Gotcha.

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Isn’t the very nature of these boards to get attention? I dont understand what your problem is apwsearch, but please “search” for someone else to take out your pent up anger and frustration on.

BodyGuard…thanks a bunch. again, I am getting good help from posters like you, and that is all I was asking for here by posting the question!