[quote]Polish Rifle wrote:
Good to see you’re still working on your street cred clip. Your avatar is appropriate as well.
Instead of shooting the guy, why not just hit him over the head with a 140 lb dumbbell after a vigorous bench workout?
Oh wait, wrong thread…
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I agree about the avatar. I was just going to ask clip11 if that actually is him, getting ready to execute the pizza delivery boy for bringing a pizza with anchovies. Clip really hates anchovies.
Roybot I gotta ask you and answer honestly: If somoene, anyone, came up and violently attacked you with the intent of seriously hurting you, whether unprovoked or not (but you didnt previously attack them with violence) would there be any limit to what you would do to defend yourself from harm?
This isnt a schoolyard fight that some teacher is going to come break up and the worst that can happen is a few scrapes and bruises, then everything is all right. Just fighting in the street, youre talking about serious injuries (broken bones, knocked out teeth, internal bleeding, etc.)
Maybe something bad has to happen to you or someone you know, which I hope doesnt, for you to see where Im coming from.
Im just saying il go to the extreme before I let somone knock out any of my teeth. I got all my teeth and I intend to keep them.
And despite what you might think because I do carry I let a lot of dumb shit ppl do slide. Like when Im driving I dont let myself get road rage, becaue I know the potential outcome and I dont want to do something I cant take back because someone cut me off in traffic and I became angry.
Like I said above, when youre fighting in the street, there is no teacher whos going to come and rescue you lke it was in jr. high or high school and most times when someone just run up on you and attack you for any reason, theyre not just trying to wrinkle your clothes, theyre out for your blood and to put you in the ER if they can.
It would be good if we could all come together and join hands and hug each other all day, but thats fantasy land, not real life…this is real life:
http://ksax.com/article/stories/S698023.shtml?cat=10269
http://cbs11tv.com/video/?id=29586@ktvt.dayport.com
[quote]roybot wrote:
Polish Rifle wrote:
Good to see you’re still working on your street cred clip. Your avatar is appropriate as well.
Instead of shooting the guy, why not just hit him over the head with a 140 lb dumbbell after a vigorous bench workout?
Oh wait, wrong thread…
I agree about the avatar. I was just going to ask clip11 if that actually is him, getting ready to execute the pizza delivery boy for bringing a pizza with anchovies. Clip really hates anchovies.
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Malcolm X is the ultimate troll.
[quote]roybot wrote:
clip11 wrote:
If I wanted to do it it would be done! Since I dint do it then it doesnt matter.
It matters if you don’t want to spend the rest of your life in jail. Also, going around acting the way you do may very well end up with someone putting a bullet in you first.
And for the record he did threaten me to her which made me respond the way I did.
You didn’t say anything about him making threats until now. A restraining order would be a far better solution to your problem than putting a bullet between his eyes.
Still, if your happy to use extreme violence to solve a problem that could be resolved otherwise, then go for it. It’s a choice that only you can make.
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Im not going to call the polce even if I tell them he threatened me, I cant prove it. Theyre just going to have me fil out some papers and thatll be the end of it. They might throw them in the trash when I leave. I only know this guys first name and its a common name. So what am I going to do, say John threatened me? John who? Where does John stay at? Can you prove John said it?
My resolution is this, ill just mind my own business LIKE I ALWAYS DO!!! So if everyone on here wants to bash me for saying ill do whatever it takes to defend myself go ahead and do it, I dont give a fuck no ways.
I figure as long as I stay to myself ill be alright!
[quote]imhungry wrote:
roybot wrote:
Polish Rifle wrote:
Good to see you’re still working on your street cred clip. Your avatar is appropriate as well.
Instead of shooting the guy, why not just hit him over the head with a 140 lb dumbbell after a vigorous bench workout?
Oh wait, wrong thread…
I agree about the avatar. I was just going to ask clip11 if that actually is him, getting ready to execute the pizza delivery boy for bringing a pizza with anchovies. Clip really hates anchovies.
Malcolm X is the ultimate troll.[/quote]
Why you say that?
[quote]imhungry wrote:
roybot wrote:
Polish Rifle wrote:
Good to see you’re still working on your street cred clip. Your avatar is appropriate as well.
Instead of shooting the guy, why not just hit him over the head with a 140 lb dumbbell after a vigorous bench workout?
Oh wait, wrong thread…
I agree about the avatar. I was just going to ask clip11 if that actually is him, getting ready to execute the pizza delivery boy for bringing a pizza with anchovies. Clip really hates anchovies.
Malcolm X is the ultimate troll.[/quote]
And you stay in Pennsylvania, I dont know if you live in Philadelphia, or stay near Philly, but I heard in Philly a sometime ago killings there was rivaling killings in Iraq. I dont see how a reasonable person could walk around that city unarmed.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
Roybot I gotta ask you and answer honestly: If somoene, anyone, came up and violently attacked you with the intent of seriously hurting you, whether unprovoked or not (but you didnt previously attack them with violence) would there be any limit to what you would do to defend yourself from harm?
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There’s a difference between using reasonable force to repel an attacker and carrying weapons with the specific intention of harming another human being, which is what you are doing.
Not only that, you keep telling people that you are fully prepared to kill someone in retaliation, even if they only try to lay hands on you (which is a far cry from a knife or gun attack). If everyone in your neighbourhood thought like you, it would be a different story, of course.
But to answer your question, I wouldn’t carry guns in order to defend myself, so I wouldn’t have to justify any use of them in the first place. It seems like you are just carrying firearms in the hope of using them, not carrying them hoping you’ll never have to.
There is nothing in your original post that would necessitate you having to shoot a guy.
[quote]imhungry wrote:
roybot wrote:
Polish Rifle wrote:
Good to see you’re still working on your street cred clip. Your avatar is appropriate as well.
Instead of shooting the guy, why not just hit him over the head with a 140 lb dumbbell after a vigorous bench workout?
Oh wait, wrong thread…
I agree about the avatar. I was just going to ask clip11 if that actually is him, getting ready to execute the pizza delivery boy for bringing a pizza with anchovies. Clip really hates anchovies.
Malcolm X is the ultimate troll.[/quote]
Even Malcolm X liked pizza. Everybody hates anchovies.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
tom63 wrote:
clip11 wrote:
I been messing with this woman since the beginning of summer, shes 3 years older than me (she’s 25 im 22).Just this past week an ex boyfriend of hers pop back up into the picture, but she dont want nothing to do with him. This guy is 31, too old to be acting lie this. Anyway he be sitting out watching her apartment and calling her phone 1000 times. So on Friday I go to pick her up and he was sitting out in the lot.
So she comes and gets into my car and we drive off and this guy follows us. I keep a 40 caliber pistol in my armrest and a 20 gage shotgun in my trunk. When i realized he was following us I wanted to pull into a gas station and hoped he would stop too so I could go put that guy in check, but the woman i was with didnt want me to and she wont tell me where her ex stays at, so I cant go over his house thats out.
Any tips on handling this legally and nonviolently?
Last time I was over there he was sitting out in the parking lot. I was ready to go out there and let off a few hollow points into his car, but she say it aint that serious and she dont want me to get locked up.
Be very careful in this situation. I would notify the police and make sure you are legal if you need to carry a weapon. Forget about the shotgun, a concealed pistol looks more reasonable to me. having both seems to indicate you’re looking for trouble.
I usually keep the gage at home. But sometimes I take both of them to the range to fire so I have it on me.
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That makes a little sense, but be careful with this. Just posting this drama on an open web forum could bring a whole lot of bad down on you even if you are innocent, if something did happen of course.
Aside from criminal charges, there’s the civil stuff to deal with.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
Im not going to call the polce even if I tell them he threatened me, I cant prove it. Theyre just going to have me fil out some papers and thatll be the end of it. They might throw them in the trash when I leave. I only know this guys first name and its a common name. So what am I going to do, say John threatened me? John who? Where does John stay at? Can you prove John said it? [/quote]
So your girlfriend doesn’t know her ex-boyfriend’s surname, or his address?
Clip, I have a serious question:
If you don’t care about what the members here have to say, then why have you even bothered to start a thread asking for advice about how to deal with a problem that you’re dead set on ending with extreme violence? I’m genuinely curious…
[quote]roybot wrote:
clip11 wrote:
Roybot I gotta ask you and answer honestly: If somoene, anyone, came up and violently attacked you with the intent of seriously hurting you, whether unprovoked or not (but you didnt previously attack them with violence) would there be any limit to what you would do to defend yourself from harm?
There’s a difference between using reasonable force to repel an attacker and carrying weapons with the specific intention of harming another human being, which is what you are doing.
Not only that, you keep telling people that you are fully prepared to kill someone in retaliation, even if they only try to lay hands on you (which is a far cry from a knife or gun attack). If everyone in your neighbourhood thought like you, it would be a different story, of course.
But to answer your question, I wouldn’t carry guns in order to defend myself, so I wouldn’t have to justify any use of them in the first place. It seems like you are just carrying firearms in the hope of using them, not carrying them hoping you’ll never have to.
There is nothing in your original post that would necessitate you having to shoot a guy.
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What does “lay hands on you” mean? You say you dont carry to defend yourself, thats you. I dont know where you live and maybe where you stay its no reason to I dont know. I keep saying I wont harm anyone who dont try to harm me, but you keep conveniently overlooking that. I told you what the state law says about being able to use force. Reasonable or unreasonable if its leagl, oh well.
Ive seen ppl robbed(dont get me started on that), shot (i seen a man get shot inside a gas station up the street from my house, I was just going in to get a snack), carjacked (there was a few carjackings at a gas station up the street from my house). I seen the results of people “laying their hands” (and feet) on somebody. I seen people get beat up kicked and stomped, the aftermath aint pretty.
I got a scenario: Im walking out into the parking lot to get in my car, the ex runs upon me and outrageously attacks me for no reason. What do I do? What do I do?
Keep in mind, he’s not going to just “lay hands on me” his intent is to fuck me up and crack my head.
[quote]roybot wrote:
clip11 wrote:
Roybot I gotta ask you and answer honestly: If somoene, anyone, came up and violently attacked you with the intent of seriously hurting you, whether unprovoked or not (but you didnt previously attack them with violence) would there be any limit to what you would do to defend yourself from harm?
There’s a difference between using reasonable force to repel an attacker and carrying weapons with the specific intention of harming another human being, which is what you are doing.
Not only that, you keep telling people that you are fully prepared to kill someone in retaliation, even if they only try to lay hands on you (which is a far cry from a knife or gun attack). If everyone in your neighbourhood thought like you, it would be a different story, of course.
But to answer your question, I wouldn’t carry guns in order to defend myself, so I wouldn’t have to justify any use of them in the first place. It seems like you are just carrying firearms in the hope of using them, not carrying them hoping you’ll never have to.
There is nothing in your original post that would necessitate you having to shoot a guy.
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And you still didnt answer the question, you didnt say what you would do. But from your response i guess you would assume the fetal position as he warms up his feet to stomp the bullshit out of you.
[quote]roybot wrote:
clip11 wrote:
Im not going to call the polce even if I tell them he threatened me, I cant prove it. Theyre just going to have me fil out some papers and thatll be the end of it. They might throw them in the trash when I leave. I only know this guys first name and its a common name. So what am I going to do, say John threatened me? John who? Where does John stay at? Can you prove John said it?
So your girlfirend doesn’t know her ex-boyfriend’s surname, or his address?
My resolution is this, ill just mind my own business LIKE I ALWAYS DO!!! So if everyone on here wants to bash me for saying ill do whatever it takes to defend myself go ahead and do it, I dont give a fuck no ways.
I figure as long as I stay to myself ill be alright!
Clip, I have a serious question:
If you don’t care about what the members here have to say, then why have you even bothered to start a thread asking for advice about how to deal with a problem that you’re dead set on ending with extreme violence? I’m genuinely curious…
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Youre not giving advice youre just trying to knock me and tell me how much of a bad person I am Im not trying to hear that.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
What does “lay hands on you” mean?[/quote]
It means any attack that doesn’t involve the use of a weapon, basically anything like grabbing, kicking, choking, punching… well you get the idea.
The point is this: no matter what the other person’s intention is, you’re still carrying guns with intent to use them. It all comes down to whether you are prepared to deal with the consequences of killing someone. If the answer is yes, then there’s nothing more to be said.
That scenario also works in reverse. What if the ex has seen the error of his ways and wants to apologize? Are you just going to blow him away as soon as you see him coming?
How do you know what his intentions are going to be? If he’s never tried to fuck you up before, and you don’t really know him, what evidence do you have that he’s going to try?
Anyway, you seem to be prepared to deal with the aftermath of your decisions, so I guess that’s an end to it.
Remember: if you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.
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And you still didnt answer the question, you didnt say what you would do.[/quote]
First off, you never asked me what I would do in a fight. You asked me what lengths I would go to to defend myself.
My answer was: I wouldn’t carry a gun to be used in the event of a fight or attack.
I thought I didn’t answer your question…
I’m quite capable of handling myself against an unarmed attacker, thanks, which is more than can be said for you given your reliance on knives and guns.
Call me a traditionalist, but I’m confident enough to handle myself in a fair fight. Now if I’m facing some gun wielding maniac, then it’s a different story.
But I wouldn’t be stupid enough to attack someone I knew had a gun or a knife…
I gave you advice. I told you to get a restraining order. You gave a series of poor excuses as to why that wouldn’t work.
1)Your girl must know the ex boyfriend’s full name.
2)Get a video camera and record the guy camping outside her apartment.
3)Get an itemised phone bill to prove he’s been making nuisance phonecalls.
The cops will have to issue a restraining order with that kind of evidence.
How is that not advice?
I never said you were a bad person. The whole point of my posts was to find out if you were prepared to go to jail for killing a man. It doesn’t matter what the circumstances are, you will go to jail if you shoot someone because you have no defence for carrying firearms with the intent to use them.
If you don’t want to hear the truth, that’s fine. Stop asking for advice that you won’t take anyway.
[quote]roybot wrote:
clip11 wrote:
What does “lay hands on you” mean?
It means any attack that doesn’t involve the use of a weapon, basically anything like grabbing, kicking, choking, punching… well you get the idea.
You say you dont carry to defend yourself, thats you. I dont know where you live and maybe where you stay its no reason to I dont know. I keep saying I wont harm anyone who dont try to harm me, but you keep conveniently overlooking that. I told you what the state law says about being able to use force. Reasonable or unreasonable if its leagl, oh well.
Ive seen ppl robbed(dont get me started on that), shot (i seen a man get shot inside a gas station up the street from my house, I was just going in to get a snack), carjacked (there was a few carjackings at a gas station up the street from my house). I seen the results of people “laying their hands” (and feet) on somebody. I seen people get beat up kicked and stomped, the aftermath aint pretty.
The point is this: no matter what the other person’s intention is, you’re still carrying guns with intent to use them. It all comes down to whether you are prepared to deal with the consequences of killing someone. If the answer is yes, then there’s nothing more to be said.
I got a scenario: Im walking out into the parking lot to get in my car, the ex runs upon me and outrageously attacks me for no reason. What do I do? What do I do?
Keep in mind, he’s not going to just “lay hands on me” his intent is to fuck me up and crack my head.
That scenario also works in reverse. What if the ex has seen the error of his ways and wants to apologize? Are you just going to blow him away as soon as you see him coming?
How do you know what his intentions are going to be? If he’s never tried to fuck you up before, and you don’t really know him, what evidence do you have that he’s going to try?
Anyway, you seem to be prepared to deal with the aftermath of your decisions, so I guess that’s an end to it.
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If he wants to apoligize he can do it from a safe distance. You can tell by someones demeanor usually what their intentions are, plus if he comes up to me cussing and angry thats a dead giveaway.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Remember: if you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck. [/quote]
Thats very true. Robot assumes evryone fights fair and has a sense of honor. Ill fistfight someone, but armed or unarmed im not going to end up in the hospital no way no how.
[quote]roybot wrote:
clip11 wrote:
What does “lay hands on you” mean?
It means any attack that doesn’t involve the use of a weapon, basically anything like grabbing, kicking, choking, punching… well you get the idea.
You say you dont carry to defend yourself, thats you. I dont know where you live and maybe where you stay its no reason to I dont know. I keep saying I wont harm anyone who dont try to harm me, but you keep conveniently overlooking that. I told you what the state law says about being able to use force. Reasonable or unreasonable if its leagl, oh well.
Ive seen ppl robbed(dont get me started on that), shot (i seen a man get shot inside a gas station up the street from my house, I was just going in to get a snack), carjacked (there was a few carjackings at a gas station up the street from my house). I seen the results of people “laying their hands” (and feet) on somebody. I seen people get beat up kicked and stomped, the aftermath aint pretty.
The point is this: no matter what the other person’s intention is, you’re still carrying guns with intent to use them. It all comes down to whether you are prepared to deal with the consequences of killing someone. If the answer is yes, then there’s nothing more to be said.
I got a scenario: Im walking out into the parking lot to get in my car, the ex runs upon me and outrageously attacks me for no reason. What do I do? What do I do?
Keep in mind, he’s not going to just “lay hands on me” his intent is to fuck me up and crack my head.
That scenario also works in reverse. What if the ex has seen the error of his ways and wants to apologize? Are you just going to blow him away as soon as you see him coming?
How do you know what his intentions are going to be? If he’s never tried to fuck you up before, and you don’t really know him, what evidence do you have that he’s going to try?
Anyway, you seem to be prepared to deal with the aftermath of your decisions, so I guess that’s an end to it.
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If I intended to use them I wouldve done that by now.
Why would I let someone punch kick or choke me when I have a weapon?
My point is they have no business doing either of those to me. If they dont do that were cool all day long.