If you caught someone stealing your car or breaking into your garage, is it the right thing to do to shoot them, even if you just injured them? And i dont mean right as in “legal” I mean as in right or wrong.
I know you don’t mean legally, but legal wise I think it’s better to kill than injure.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
If you caught someone stealing your car or breaking into your garage, is it the right thing to do to shoot them, even if you just injured them? And i dont mean right as in “legal” I mean as in right or wrong.[/quote]
From a legal standpoint it depends where you live and if your state has adopted the castle doctrine.
Is it the right thing to do. The answer is no. You shouldn’t kill a man over an object he is stealing out of your car or garage. Perfectly fine to investigate with a gun and if the man tries to attack you while your running him off the situation changes.
Never use lethal force unless you intend to kill someone. Few have the skill to wound and not to kill. Too fine a line.
[quote]hedo wrote:
[quote]clip11 wrote:
If you caught someone stealing your car or breaking into your garage, is it the right thing to do to shoot them, even if you just injured them? And i dont mean right as in “legal” I mean as in right or wrong.[/quote]
From a legal standpoint it depends where you live and if your state has adopted the castle doctrine.
Is it the right thing to do. The answer is no. You shouldn’t kill a man over an object he is stealing out of your car or garage. Perfectly fine to investigate with a gun and if the man tries to attack you while your running him off the situation changes.
Never use lethal force unless you intend to kill someone. Few have the skill to wound and not to kill. Too fine a line.[/quote]
I disagree. I don’t think it’s that cut and dry. If someone was out at my place (the middle of nowhere) I’d probably shoot him. Especially if it’s dark and I would have trouble seeing a weapon.
Second, it’s reasonable to assume someone committing such crimes will commit crimes in the future. If you shoot them it’s reasonable to assume you are preventing more than just one crime. And it’s not a stretch to assume some of those crimes would be violent. You might prevent a woman from getting mugged in the future (or rapped or just generally assaulted), and that is justifiable in my book.
Psychologically, it probably is not worth it.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Psychologically, it probably is not worth it.
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even if its a cherry 64 1/2 mustang?
Here is the problem. If you kick his ass, you run the risk of him coming back. If you shoot him, you run the risk of being prosecuted for using deadly force. Get a pitbull and have him chew his ass right off.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
If you caught someone stealing your car or breaking into your garage, is it the right thing to do to shoot them, even if you just injured them? And i dont mean right as in “legal” I mean as in right or wrong.[/quote]
If I ever feel threatened or I feel my family is threatened I will shoot the person.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Here is the problem. If you kick his ass, you run the risk of him coming back. If you shoot him, you run the risk of being prosecuted for using deadly force. Get a pitbull and have him chew his ass right off. [/quote]
I think the legal consequences which you are trying to escape by avoiding the first two scenarios would certainly turn against you if you took your final recommendation.
A local man had a similar situation in which he held a man at gunpoint until police arrived, he was later sued for unlawful confinement. I’m not sure what became of it, but a serious WTF, for sure.
[quote]PAINTRAINDave wrote:
A local man had a similar situation in which he held a man at gunpoint until police arrived, he was later sued for unlawful confinement. I’m not sure what became of it, but a serious WTF, for sure.[/quote]
I’m sure he was okay. I would always countersue for emotional distress and such in a case like this. Not that these scumbags have anything, but.
I’m sure you are also talking civil here. With no actual criminal charge, civil gets more difficult to prove.
Oklahoma has the “Make My Day” law, which I’m sure other states have something similar.
If someone breaks into my house and I’m home, legally I can kill him. Not sure if taking a man’s life is worth it, but legally I can.
In Texas if someone jumps your fence into your back yard you have the legal right to shoot them. I personally need to feel threatened before I could pull the trigger.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
If you caught someone stealing your car or breaking into your garage, is it the right thing to do to shoot them, even if you just injured them? And i dont mean right as in “legal” I mean as in right or wrong.[/quote]
Personally I don’t think I’d kill somebody over property. I may use my weapon to detain them while we wait for the Police, but if the choice were to let them go or kill them absent a threat to myself or my family I don’t think I’d do it. If the choice were the life of a family member or myself, I wouldn’t like it, but it would be OO buck center mass and we’ll sort it out later.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]hedo wrote:
[quote]clip11 wrote:
If you caught someone stealing your car or breaking into your garage, is it the right thing to do to shoot them, even if you just injured them? And i dont mean right as in “legal” I mean as in right or wrong.[/quote]
From a legal standpoint it depends where you live and if your state has adopted the castle doctrine.
Is it the right thing to do. The answer is no. You shouldn’t kill a man over an object he is stealing out of your car or garage. Perfectly fine to investigate with a gun and if the man tries to attack you while your running him off the situation changes.
Never use lethal force unless you intend to kill someone. Few have the skill to wound and not to kill. Too fine a line.[/quote]
I disagree. I don’t think it’s that cut and dry. If someone was out at my place (the middle of nowhere) I’d probably shoot him. Especially if it’s dark and I would have trouble seeing a weapon.
Second, it’s reasonable to assume someone committing such crimes will commit crimes in the future. If you shoot them it’s reasonable to assume you are preventing more than just one crime. And it’s not a stretch to assume some of those crimes would be violent. You might prevent a woman from getting mugged in the future (or rapped or just generally assaulted), and that is justifiable in my book.[/quote]
How is it reasonable to assume that? Because they commit one they commit a bunch, that justification that any released felon should be shot as soon as he comes out of jail because he might commit another crime.
One crime is not a future crime, therefore stopping him from committing one crime is not stopping future crimes because we do not know if he’ll commit another crime.
However you can say, that protecting your private property is your right, therefore shooting someone who is stealing your property, is your right.
In Arizona, shooting someone is illegal. However, I go on the basis that I have full rights to my private property, and I can do as I wish with my private property unless I am committing some kind of aggression on someone’s private property, then they have the right to protect their private property just as I do.
- If I have the full rights to my private property.
- Part of my rights is protecting it at all costs, as long as it does not hurt anyone besides the one committing the aggression on my private property.
- That means it is right, if I choose so, to shoot someone down for stealing my private property.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Here is the problem. If you kick his ass, you run the risk of him coming back. If you shoot him, you run the risk of being prosecuted for using deadly force. Get a pitbull and have him chew his ass right off. [/quote]
I would recommend a dobermans or a German Shepard, as actual APBT’s have a tendency to be stolen when people break in. I one dog stolen two times out of my front yard.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]hedo wrote:
[quote]clip11 wrote:
If you caught someone stealing your car or breaking into your garage, is it the right thing to do to shoot them, even if you just injured them? And i dont mean right as in “legal” I mean as in right or wrong.[/quote]
From a legal standpoint it depends where you live and if your state has adopted the castle doctrine.
Is it the right thing to do. The answer is no. You shouldn’t kill a man over an object he is stealing out of your car or garage. Perfectly fine to investigate with a gun and if the man tries to attack you while your running him off the situation changes.
Never use lethal force unless you intend to kill someone. Few have the skill to wound and not to kill. Too fine a line.[/quote]
I disagree. I don’t think it’s that cut and dry. If someone was out at my place (the middle of nowhere) I’d probably shoot him. Especially if it’s dark and I would have trouble seeing a weapon.
Second, it’s reasonable to assume someone committing such crimes will commit crimes in the future. If you shoot them it’s reasonable to assume you are preventing more than just one crime. And it’s not a stretch to assume some of those crimes would be violent. You might prevent a woman from getting mugged in the future (or rapped or just generally assaulted), and that is justifiable in my book.[/quote]
How is it reasonable to assume that? Because they commit one they commit a bunch, that justification that any released felon should be shot as soon as he comes out of jail because he might commit another crime.
One crime is not a future crime, therefore stopping him from committing one crime is not stopping future crimes because we do not know if he’ll commit another crime.
However you can say, that protecting your private property is your right, therefore shooting someone who is stealing your property, is your right.
In Arizona, shooting someone is illegal. However, I go on the basis that I have full rights to my private property, and I can do as I wish with my private property unless I am committing some kind of aggression on someone’s private property, then they have the right to protect their private property just as I do.
- If I have the full rights to my private property.
- Part of my rights is protecting it at all costs, as long as it does not hurt anyone besides the one committing the aggression on my private property.
- That means it is right, if I choose so, to shoot someone down for stealing my private property.[/quote]
You might want to read up on crime statistics. I make the un-PC distinction of stereotyping a person committing a crime as a criminal. The ods are on my side.
If you see a pregnant lady about to get shot in the head, I count that as 2 lives saved. EVEN though it isn’t a grantee that the baby would die as a result. The odds are, it will. You should treat the situation as if 2 lives are involved.
I would treat the situation of someone trespassing and stealing my property as if I were dealing with a criminal (bad guy, sorry if it ain’t PC). I would even approach the situation with the assumption he is armed until I knew for fact he wasn’t. There is no presumption of innocence in my backyard.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
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I would recommend a dobermans or a German Shepard, as actual APBT’s have a tendency to be stolen when people break in. I one dog stolen two times out of my front yard.[/quote]
Well that doesnt sound typical of a pitbull. My dad and uncle both owned pitbulls and i can tell you that if an unfamiliar person stepped onto the property without being escorted by my dad or uncle or some other familiar face to the dog, he would get torn to peices. Even i had to make my presence known by calling the dogs’ names before i opened the front door, as i didnt want them to think i was an intruder.
Oh and my dad’s 70lb pitbull killed many dogs twice his size, including dobermanns and german shepherds. Before you all get alarmed, it wasnt a dog-fighting ring haha, just some run-ins with other dogs who unfortunately werent on leashes when my dad took the dog for walks in the park
[quote]TxCASH wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
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I would recommend a dobermans or a German Shepard, as actual APBT’s have a tendency to be stolen when people break in. I one dog stolen two times out of my front yard.[/quote]
Well that doesnt sound typical of a pitbull. My dad and uncle both owned pitbulls and i can tell you that if an unfamiliar person stepped onto the property without being escorted by my dad or uncle or some other familiar face to the dog, he would get torn to peices. Even i had to make my presence known by calling the dogs’ names before i opened the front door, as i didnt want them to think i was an intruder.
Oh and my dad’s 70lb pitbull killed many dogs twice his size, including dobermanns and german shepherds. Before you all get alarmed, it wasnt a dog-fighting ring haha, just some run-ins with other dogs who unfortunately werent on leashes when my dad took the dog for walks in the park[/quote]
That’s messed up. If you aren’t making that shit up, I’d say that dog should be put down. You have to announce yourself to the dog to avoid attack? This dog attacks and kills dogs while on a leash, beyond the control of the owner?
Sounds like you’re full of shit to me. I’m willing to bet a dog like that would have already been put down.
Historically, you have the right to use deadly force to protect life, but not property. Even if someone is just there to steal your shit, if you have a reasonable fear for your life, you’re probably going to be okay, legally. Various states have enacted laws that change this (e.g., the make my day laws).
Clip appears to be asking about the morality of using deadly force to protect property, rather than the legality of the act.
Clip, you’re probably going to get shot if you try to steal shit from any of these posters.