Mercury did you ever think that maybe you are just particularly gifted in the deadlift? That’s amazing that you only have to deadlift 8 weeks out of the year but for the rest of us mortals that won’t do jack shit for increasing our maxes.
[quote]Ghost16 wrote:
Mercury did you ever think that maybe you are just particularly gifted in the deadlift? That’s amazing that you only have to deadlift 8 weeks out of the year but for the rest of us mortals that won’t do jack shit for increasing our maxes. [/quote]
He may be gifted, but he’s proven he’s very intelligent. When he kept a log, he always gave good reasons behind what he did. Don’t just dismiss what he says because he’s good at it, give it real thought then evaluate.
[quote]mmatt wrote:
[quote]Ghost16 wrote:
Mercury did you ever think that maybe you are just particularly gifted in the deadlift? That’s amazing that you only have to deadlift 8 weeks out of the year but for the rest of us mortals that won’t do jack shit for increasing our maxes. [/quote]
He may be gifted, but he’s proven he’s very intelligent. When he kept a log, he always gave good reasons behind what he did. Don’t just dismiss what he says because he’s good at it, give it real thought then evaluate.[/quote]
Much appreciated mmat.
Ghost - To be honest I noticed my deadlift took off when I stopped deadlift and started focusing on good mornings, paused squats (front and regular), and squatting as well as added in a bodybuilder style back workout. I wouldn’t say I’m gifted in deadlifting - I’m built for squatting, I’ve simply found what works for my deadlift. I’ve started to find what works for my bench and it’s really going up, and while my squat is “good” it’s because I’m built for it, not because I’ve found out what works yet.
To echo what Mercury is saying, I pull heavy once every 3 weeks. My deadlift was completely stagnant at 565 for almost a year before I started doing this. After moving to pulling heavy every 3 weeks I hit 585 in a few months, then hit 600 a while later on my first real training cycle after a surgery forced me to lay off pulling and squatting for a while.
I did not focus on good mornings (can’t do them with any appreciable ROM) or pause squats (flat out didn’t think of it) but I did pull light on the weeks I wasn’t pulling heavy. I also pounded the shit out of my back with bodybuilding type stuff.
I plan on incorporating pause squats into my training now that I’m aware of their effectiveness, and after seeing what paused benches did for my bench press.
I’ve also found that leg presses and sled dragging has helped my initial pull off the ground some. The bodybuilder back style workouts really helped my lockout.
Alright, I’ve heard from too many good deadlifters how important good mornings are to the deadlift. I need help with proper good morning form. I’ve done them for a few weeks at a time, and it wrecks my low back. I’d be willing to bet that my form needs help. Any tips on a good source for videos of quality good mornings?
elitefts though they have a variety of variations up there. Some people can manage to do “rounded back” some people have to maintain arched back. They can really light up your low back depending on the variation and any imbalances you may have. If it’s problematic don’t do it and try and find another variation that doesn’t kill ya.
Liquidmercury when you say “bodybuilder” style back training what do you mean?
[quote]georgeh707 wrote:
Liquidmercury when you say “bodybuilder” style back training what do you mean? [/quote]
I guessing he means training with hypertrophy of the target muscles as a priority instead of strength. This could mean using higher rep ranges and volume, as well as using intensity techniques like drop sets, rest-pause, etc.
That’s what I mean when I use that term.
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
[quote]mmatt wrote:
[quote]Ghost16 wrote:
Mercury did you ever think that maybe you are just particularly gifted in the deadlift? That’s amazing that you only have to deadlift 8 weeks out of the year but for the rest of us mortals that won’t do jack shit for increasing our maxes. [/quote]
He may be gifted, but he’s proven he’s very intelligent. When he kept a log, he always gave good reasons behind what he did. Don’t just dismiss what he says because he’s good at it, give it real thought then evaluate.[/quote]
Much appreciated mmat.
Ghost - To be honest I noticed my deadlift took off when I stopped deadlift and started focusing on good mornings, paused squats (front and regular), and squatting as well as added in a bodybuilder style back workout. I wouldn’t say I’m gifted in deadlifting - I’m built for squatting, I’ve simply found what works for my deadlift. I’ve started to find what works for my bench and it’s really going up, and while my squat is “good” it’s because I’m built for it, not because I’ve found out what works yet.
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I didn’t mean any offense by what I said. I was not trying to suggest that you’re not knowledgeable.
Have you ever tried deadlifting on a more frequent basis? What kind of results did this give you?
Hell if I only have to deadlift 8 times a year I’ll take it. Heavy deadlift singles take so much time and energy I would love to get stronger without having to do them on a regular basis.
I’ve been working with Mike Tuchscherer lately and his programming has deadlifts twice a week, tuesday and friday. Tuesday is afer the main squat and it’s always a variaion (rack pulls, bands…). Friday is a full ROM variation, usually pause DLs and reps done at a certain percentage (RPEs, most stuff is @9 RPE). If you looked at his own training you’d be amazed, and he has an 850 raw DL @275.
[quote]georgeh707 wrote:
Liquidmercury when you say “bodybuilder” style back training what do you mean? [/quote]
Training like a pretty boy. Flexing between sets to check myself out in the mirror, possibly even kissing my biceps as I walk around with arms protruded…
On a more serious note, more volume, higher rep ranges, various techniques, really focusing on the feel of it more than anything and getting big ole pump.
[quote]Ghost16 wrote:
I didn’t mean any offense by what I said. I was not trying to suggest that you’re not knowledgeable.
Have you ever tried deadlifting on a more frequent basis? What kind of results did this give you?
Hell if I only have to deadlift 8 times a year I’ll take it. Heavy deadlift singles take so much time and energy I would love to get stronger without having to do them on a regular basis.[/quote]
I didn’t take any offense at all nor did I think you were suggesting I was an idiot - nor would I care if you were.
Yes I’ve deadlifted weekly, even twice a week back in my younger years. When I deadlift weekly my deadlift doesn’t really move that much, when I build my deadlift it moves a lot. And I deadlift so little because of the results I get, not because I dislike deadlifting. Personally I love deadlifting, probably my favorite lift but if it’s not moving when I do it regularly then I might as well find another approach. I still keep speed pulls in every now and then on intensification blocs (every 3rd Ibloc) for technical work.
Hey liquidmercury I pm’d you this but ill ask it here. How much volume do you get in for your body building back workout? I wanna add one in as a extra workout because im doing the westside method and I think it would work good for me because I am still a skinny bastard.
Usually under 15 sets - maybe 10-12, higher volume in the 8-12 rep range except for the following:
kroc rows - 30-40 reps
cable face pulls - 100 reps (in as few sets as possible)
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
[quote]georgeh707 wrote:
Liquidmercury when you say “bodybuilder” style back training what do you mean? [/quote]
Training like a pretty boy. Flexing between sets to check myself out in the mirror, possibly even kissing my biceps as I walk around with arms protruded…
On a more serious note, more volume, higher rep ranges, various techniques, really focusing on the feel of it more than anything and getting big ole pump.
[quote]Ghost16 wrote:
I didn’t mean any offense by what I said. I was not trying to suggest that you’re not knowledgeable.
Have you ever tried deadlifting on a more frequent basis? What kind of results did this give you?
Hell if I only have to deadlift 8 times a year I’ll take it. Heavy deadlift singles take so much time and energy I would love to get stronger without having to do them on a regular basis.[/quote]
I didn’t take any offense at all nor did I think you were suggesting I was an idiot - nor would I care if you were.
Yes I’ve deadlifted weekly, even twice a week back in my younger years. When I deadlift weekly my deadlift doesn’t really move that much, when I build my deadlift it moves a lot. And I deadlift so little because of the results I get, not because I dislike deadlifting. Personally I love deadlifting, probably my favorite lift but if it’s not moving when I do it regularly then I might as well find another approach. I still keep speed pulls in every now and then on intensification blocs (every 3rd Ibloc) for technical work.[/quote]
Maybe I’ll give this a shot. My deadlift has been very stubborn the last few months. Currently stuck at 515.
Boola,
For what its worth, I have had good success with DL’ng 2x/wk. No heavy/light, speed/max effort, just straight sets of 5’s or 3’s each workout (3’s & some 2’s closer to meet time). I’d follow regular deads with straight leg deads off a 4 in box, moving to rack pulls closer to meet time.
For reference, my last meet I pulled 575 (just missed 600) weighting 195 at 47 years old. Not mega-weight, but heavy enough most would consider it taxing.
I think it boils down to keeping good records and seeing what works best for you.
Best of luck.
Thanks for you reply mate. It’s good to hear from others which follow the same kind of pulling routine.
That’s a very good number for you age and weight, congratulations! 
6 weeks ago added two different movements to my DL program. the first is doing my DE days with chains for 4 weeks then bands BUT off of a 6" block, pulling as fast as I can. The second has been heavy face pulls 2x a week. This is worked in with the usual suspects: SSB good mornings, straight leg dead, 2 sets of 5, 5 sets of 3 into 5-8 sets of 95% max singles. Speed days are usually 10-12 sets of 2 or 3.
Hey Liquid: thanks for all your motivation !