Alrighty chief, shall do.
Thanks!
@CT:
Today was DAY 3 / WEEK 2 of my progression, so 60% 1RM + 20lbs 15x2 as fast as possible. I managed 6:20 (not that good IMHO)
My total time was 1:00 minute more than last week, same day.
So, 20lbs more and 1 min more.
Is that just a factor of the extra 20lbs? I kept my form semi-perfect, making sure hips did not rise too fast, chest out, driving with legs.
Or, an off day?
Thanks,
Muts
P.S. On a side note - so many reps I end up with the tip of my thumb numb from hook grip! 
question. when doing deads. when the weight gets heavier and the hips start to rise to soon, where does the problem lie?
is it the leg strength? why is it that the legs want to straiten out and the back want to finish the lift?
and yet, with the ds bar, it either, doesnt happen, or happens less?
[quote]Mutsanah wrote:
@CT:
Today was DAY 3 / WEEK 2 of my progression, so 60% 1RM + 20lbs 15x2 as fast as possible. I managed 6:20 (not that good IMHO)
My total time was 1:00 minute more than last week, same day.
So, 20lbs more and 1 min more.
Is that just a factor of the extra 20lbs? I kept my form semi-perfect, making sure hips did not rise too fast, chest out, driving with legs.
Or, an off day?
Thanks,
Muts
P.S. On a side note - so many reps I end up with the tip of my thumb numb from hook grip!
[/quote]
1 minute more is a tad high. Normally, with those weights we try to at least keep the time stable… 20lbs more on 60% doesn’t lead to a load heavy enough to justify 15-20% more time. Doesn’t mean that it wasn’t productive. Might be an off day or your timing was just off.
[quote]domcib wrote:
question. when doing deads. when the weight gets heavier and the hips start to rise to soon, where does the problem lie?
is it the leg strength? why is it that the legs want to straiten out and the back want to finish the lift?
and yet, with the ds bar, it either, doesnt happen, or happens less?[/quote]
It’s because with the DS bar, the load is across the body’s center of gravity whereas with the deadlift the weight is in frotn of you, which tends to “try to tip your forward”… the rising of the hips too soon is often a function of letting the weight pull your center of gravity forward instead of backwards.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]Mutsanah wrote:
@CT:
Today was DAY 3 / WEEK 2 of my progression, so 60% 1RM + 20lbs 15x2 as fast as possible. I managed 6:20 (not that good IMHO)
My total time was 1:00 minute more than last week, same day.
So, 20lbs more and 1 min more.
Is that just a factor of the extra 20lbs? I kept my form semi-perfect, making sure hips did not rise too fast, chest out, driving with legs.
Or, an off day?
Thanks,
Muts
P.S. On a side note - so many reps I end up with the tip of my thumb numb from hook grip!
[/quote]
1 minute more is a tad high. Normally, with those weights we try to at least keep the time stable… 20lbs more on 60% doesn’t lead to a load heavy enough to justify 15-20% more time. Doesn’t mean that it wasn’t productive. Might be an off day or your timing was just off.[/quote]
Thanks for the response.
My main challenge with this is regulating my breathing. Especially when I get down in the bottom position to pull, with the hips lower, breathing becomes a real task.
By sets 10-15 I’m breathing like a locomotive.
It’s an awesome conditioning tool as well.
Perhaps with better conditioning, my breathing will ease and my times will improve?
What do you think?
I am loving this new challenge. I look forward to it every WO.
Cheers,
Muts
[quote]Mutsanah wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]Mutsanah wrote:
@CT:
Today was DAY 3 / WEEK 2 of my progression, so 60% 1RM + 20lbs 15x2 as fast as possible. I managed 6:20 (not that good IMHO)
My total time was 1:00 minute more than last week, same day.
So, 20lbs more and 1 min more.
Is that just a factor of the extra 20lbs? I kept my form semi-perfect, making sure hips did not rise too fast, chest out, driving with legs.
Or, an off day?
Thanks,
Muts
P.S. On a side note - so many reps I end up with the tip of my thumb numb from hook grip!
[/quote]
1 minute more is a tad high. Normally, with those weights we try to at least keep the time stable… 20lbs more on 60% doesn’t lead to a load heavy enough to justify 15-20% more time. Doesn’t mean that it wasn’t productive. Might be an off day or your timing was just off.[/quote]
Thanks for the response.
My main challenge with this is regulating my breathing. Especially when I get down in the bottom position to pull, with the hips lower, breathing becomes a real task.
By sets 10-15 I’m breathing like a locomotive.
It’s an awesome conditioning tool as well.
Perhaps with better conditioning, my breathing will ease and my times will improve?
What do you think?
I am loving this new challenge. I look forward to it every WO.
Cheers,
Muts[/quote]
No question, and it will improve pretty fast. Breathing capacity (capacity to pull in more air/oxygen) is something that you can build, just like a muscle. So if you keep up with it, and focus on really deep breaths, it will get better.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]domcib wrote:
question. when doing deads. when the weight gets heavier and the hips start to rise to soon, where does the problem lie?
is it the leg strength? why is it that the legs want to straiten out and the back want to finish the lift?
and yet, with the ds bar, it either, doesnt happen, or happens less?[/quote]
It’s because with the DS bar, the load is across the body’s center of gravity whereas with the deadlift the weight is in frotn of you, which tends to “try to tip your forward”… the rising of the hips too soon is often a function of letting the weight pull your center of gravity forward instead of backwards.[/quote]
excellent. so, i need to concentrate on “staying with it”. let the legs do their job first, keep the back arched. be patient!
i’m with mutsannah on the breathing, and loving it.
at first i did it about 6 days in a row… now i toned it down some.
the 15 repper is tough, but, the good thing about it is that the next one is the 10x1. 
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]Mutsanah wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]Mutsanah wrote:
@CT:
Today was DAY 3 / WEEK 2 of my progression, so 60% 1RM + 20lbs 15x2 as fast as possible. I managed 6:20 (not that good IMHO)
My total time was 1:00 minute more than last week, same day.
So, 20lbs more and 1 min more.
Is that just a factor of the extra 20lbs? I kept my form semi-perfect, making sure hips did not rise too fast, chest out, driving with legs.
Or, an off day?
Thanks,
Muts
P.S. On a side note - so many reps I end up with the tip of my thumb numb from hook grip!
[/quote]
1 minute more is a tad high. Normally, with those weights we try to at least keep the time stable… 20lbs more on 60% doesn’t lead to a load heavy enough to justify 15-20% more time. Doesn’t mean that it wasn’t productive. Might be an off day or your timing was just off.[/quote]
Thanks for the response.
My main challenge with this is regulating my breathing. Especially when I get down in the bottom position to pull, with the hips lower, breathing becomes a real task.
By sets 10-15 I’m breathing like a locomotive.
It’s an awesome conditioning tool as well.
Perhaps with better conditioning, my breathing will ease and my times will improve?
What do you think?
I am loving this new challenge. I look forward to it every WO.
Cheers,
Muts[/quote]
No question, and it will improve pretty fast. Breathing capacity (capacity to pull in more air/oxygen) is something that you can build, just like a muscle. So if you keep up with it, and focus on really deep breaths, it will get better.[/quote]
Thanks for the great tip about deep breaths, Coach!
I did WEEK 2, DAY 4, 10x1, 60% 1RM + 60lbs.
I got all 10 in 2:20.
That is a big improvement for me over WEEK 1, DAY 4 which was 2:45.
Real test for this breathing capacity will be DAY’s 3 and 4…
But, a marked improvement! Thanks!
Muts
WEEK 3, DAY 1
60% 1RM + 40lbs from beginning weight.
Today I managed 4:40.
The deeper breathing REALLY helps!
Thanks,
Muts
[quote]Mutsanah wrote:
WEEK 3, DAY 1
60% 1RM + 40lbs from beginning weight.
Today I managed 4:40.
The deeper breathing REALLY helps!
Thanks,
Muts[/quote]
Good work! I actually use a tool called the “Powerlungs” to strengthen breathing capacity. I have a pretty lousy cardiovascular system due to my heart issue from a few years back and I am starting to do more conditioning work and this tool is really helping me improve breathing/lung capacity.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]Mutsanah wrote:
WEEK 3, DAY 1
60% 1RM + 40lbs from beginning weight.
Today I managed 4:40.
The deeper breathing REALLY helps!
Thanks,
Muts[/quote]
Good work! I actually use a tool called the “Powerlungs” to strengthen breathing capacity. I have a pretty lousy cardiovascular system due to my heart issue from a few years back and I am starting to do more conditioning work and this tool is really helping me improve breathing/lung capacity. [/quote]
Thanks for the tip!
Which model do you use? Trainer or Sport?
Is the Trainer enough resistance? Sport too much?
We all think we have strong lungs and then a little small apparatus like this shows us different…
[quote]Mutsanah wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]Mutsanah wrote:
WEEK 3, DAY 1
60% 1RM + 40lbs from beginning weight.
Today I managed 4:40.
The deeper breathing REALLY helps!
Thanks,
Muts[/quote]
Good work! I actually use a tool called the “Powerlungs” to strengthen breathing capacity. I have a pretty lousy cardiovascular system due to my heart issue from a few years back and I am starting to do more conditioning work and this tool is really helping me improve breathing/lung capacity. [/quote]
Thanks for the tip!
Which model do you use? Trainer or Sport?
Is the Trainer enough resistance? Sport too much?
We all think we have strong lungs and then a little small apparatus like this shows us different…[/quote]
I have the “sport” because a friend of mine loaned it to me and he is a former national level cross-country skiier. I was shocked at how hard it was. I can handle level 1 (luckily) but it’s hard. You can probably start with the sport model as it will give you more room to build up.
On a side note, after my first day I was more sore in the abs than I ever been in my life!
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]Mutsanah wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]Mutsanah wrote:
WEEK 3, DAY 1
60% 1RM + 40lbs from beginning weight.
Today I managed 4:40.
The deeper breathing REALLY helps!
Thanks,
Muts[/quote]
Good work! I actually use a tool called the “Powerlungs” to strengthen breathing capacity. I have a pretty lousy cardiovascular system due to my heart issue from a few years back and I am starting to do more conditioning work and this tool is really helping me improve breathing/lung capacity. [/quote]
Thanks for the tip!
Which model do you use? Trainer or Sport?
Is the Trainer enough resistance? Sport too much?
We all think we have strong lungs and then a little small apparatus like this shows us different…[/quote]
I have the “sport” because a friend of mine loaned it to me and he is a former national level cross-country skiier. I was shocked at how hard it was. I can handle level 1 (luckily) but it’s hard. You can probably start with the sport model as it will give you more room to build up.
On a side note, after my first day I was more sore in the abs than I ever been in my life![/quote]
Man, this is really cool - I love learning about new things like this.
I’ve seen recommendations to use it twice a day for about 5 mins.
Is that something similar to what you have done?
[quote]Mutsanah wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]Mutsanah wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]Mutsanah wrote:
WEEK 3, DAY 1
60% 1RM + 40lbs from beginning weight.
Today I managed 4:40.
The deeper breathing REALLY helps!
Thanks,
Muts[/quote]
Good work! I actually use a tool called the “Powerlungs” to strengthen breathing capacity. I have a pretty lousy cardiovascular system due to my heart issue from a few years back and I am starting to do more conditioning work and this tool is really helping me improve breathing/lung capacity. [/quote]
Thanks for the tip!
Which model do you use? Trainer or Sport?
Is the Trainer enough resistance? Sport too much?
We all think we have strong lungs and then a little small apparatus like this shows us different…[/quote]
I have the “sport” because a friend of mine loaned it to me and he is a former national level cross-country skiier. I was shocked at how hard it was. I can handle level 1 (luckily) but it’s hard. You can probably start with the sport model as it will give you more room to build up.
On a side note, after my first day I was more sore in the abs than I ever been in my life![/quote]
Man, this is really cool - I love learning about new things like this.
I’ve seen recommendations to use it twice a day for about 5 mins.
Is that something similar to what you have done?[/quote]
The actual recommendation is 3 x 10 twice a day, which takes you about 5 minutes (each breath is 3 sec. in 3 sec out) with about 1 minute of rest between sets
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]Mutsanah wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]Mutsanah wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]Mutsanah wrote:
WEEK 3, DAY 1
60% 1RM + 40lbs from beginning weight.
Today I managed 4:40.
The deeper breathing REALLY helps!
Thanks,
Muts[/quote]
Good work! I actually use a tool called the “Powerlungs” to strengthen breathing capacity. I have a pretty lousy cardiovascular system due to my heart issue from a few years back and I am starting to do more conditioning work and this tool is really helping me improve breathing/lung capacity. [/quote]
Thanks for the tip!
Which model do you use? Trainer or Sport?
Is the Trainer enough resistance? Sport too much?
We all think we have strong lungs and then a little small apparatus like this shows us different…[/quote]
I have the “sport” because a friend of mine loaned it to me and he is a former national level cross-country skiier. I was shocked at how hard it was. I can handle level 1 (luckily) but it’s hard. You can probably start with the sport model as it will give you more room to build up.
On a side note, after my first day I was more sore in the abs than I ever been in my life![/quote]
Man, this is really cool - I love learning about new things like this.
I’ve seen recommendations to use it twice a day for about 5 mins.
Is that something similar to what you have done?[/quote]
The actual recommendation is 3 x 10 twice a day, which takes you about 5 minutes (each breath is 3 sec. in 3 sec out) with about 1 minute of rest between sets[/quote]
Got it - thanks!
@CT:
Today was the first day I felt nauseated right after the DL WO.
It was WEEK 3, DAY 3, so 60% 1RM + 40lbs from starting weight, 13x2.
I managed 5:20, which matches the same time I made on WEEK 1 and WEEK 2, DAY3.
But, at the end, I had to pause and really control my breathing and focus on not getting sick.
Any tips on how to minimize this feeling?
My breathing was actually better today - perhaps just all the cortisol release and lactic acid build-up?
[quote]Mutsanah wrote:
@CT:
Today was the first day I felt nauseated right after the DL WO.
It was WEEK 3, DAY 3, so 60% 1RM + 40lbs from starting weight, 13x2.
I managed 5:20, which matches the same time I made on WEEK 1 and WEEK 2, DAY3.
But, at the end, I had to pause and really control my breathing and focus on not getting sick.
Any tips on how to minimize this feeling?
My breathing was actually better today - perhaps just all the cortisol release and lactic acid build-up?[/quote]
Not the cortisol… it can either be lactic acid build-up (overall acidification of the body can create nausea) or not having finished your digestion. During such an intense workout the body sends more blood to the muscles. And if you are still digesting you rob the stomach of some needed blood and digestion is impaired which can lead to nausea.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]Mutsanah wrote:
@CT:
Today was the first day I felt nauseated right after the DL WO.
It was WEEK 3, DAY 3, so 60% 1RM + 40lbs from starting weight, 13x2.
I managed 5:20, which matches the same time I made on WEEK 1 and WEEK 2, DAY3.
But, at the end, I had to pause and really control my breathing and focus on not getting sick.
Any tips on how to minimize this feeling?
My breathing was actually better today - perhaps just all the cortisol release and lactic acid build-up?[/quote]
Not the cortisol… it can either be lactic acid build-up (overall acidification of the body can create nausea) or not having finished your digestion. During such an intense workout the body sends more blood to the muscles. And if you are still digesting you rob the stomach of some needed blood and digestion is impaired which can lead to nausea.[/quote]
OK - Thank you.
I would lean towards the lactic acid build-up.
I had two small-ish meals 6 and 3 hours before WO. Then INDIGO then PLAZMA -15WO.
At +15WO I took one Magnesium Glycinate tablet which also has a small bit of calcium carbonate in it. That took away the nausea.
That’s why I think it to be lactic acid.
INTENSE WO today.
WEEK 4 is beginning to loom ominously… :o
@CT:
I think today I reached my anaerobic limit
It was WEEK 3, DAY 3: So, 375x2, 15 sets as fast as possible.
It took me 7:40! That’s terrible!!
My plan was to do 9 sets in under 3 mins and have longer rest for last 6 sets. First part of the plan, CHECK…after that, not so good.
I am theorizing that I created such a metabolic cost and oxygen debt that I just couldn’t catch up in the later sets.
The 15 sets days have me terrorized now 
Man are they tough…What suggestions can you give me please?
Thanks!