I agree with that. Other than:
I do not have elite lifts haha. They are okay at local meets.
Yeah, what Christian said. Additionally, Charles had suffered a previous heart attack while swimming in the palace pool at Monte Carlo (he was coaching Prince Albert at the time). That was about 15 years prior to his death.
And while I know he always talked about magnesium deficiencies and his heart, I sometimes wonder if this was true in his case. In my experience, when guys who take pride in the way they take care of their bodies get sick or develop any condition, they almost always blame some external factor. Itās as if do otherwise is to admit weakness. Iāve been guilty of it myself.
Double edge sword. A 250lb meathead has a greater chance of dying pre-hospital from the heart attack. More muscle = greater oxygen demand and strain on cardiac output. Post recovery yes, provided damage to heart muscle hasnāt damaged ejection fraction.
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Ah! Thank you for the clarification.
My lvef was initially at about 60-65% after the initial event, but has since dropped to <40 after a few ups & downs.
And nice to see you. Hope all is good in your world. 
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My father in law, who is a cardiologist, has told me repeatedly that āitās all genetics.ā I think thatās probably oversimplifying things, but I also think thereās a lot more truth to what he is saying than I personally care to admit.
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You would not believe the people Iāve seen in cardiac rehab. One guy looked like he just stepped off the field from the Steelers, big solid dude. A few others that were in more than passable āgood shapeā, and I got asked about a thousand times āAre you sure youāre supposed to be here?ā.
Yeah, Im sure!
I was beating myself up for a while for some past habits & whatnot, and the one consistent message all around was āNah, its primarily genetic. Bad habits certainly donāt help, but this was gonna happen either way.ā.
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Just my two cents worth. As a survivor of both a heart attack and 3 years later a full blown cardiac arrest. I do know that the abuse of steroids can contribute to the thickening and stiffening of the left ventricle of the heart, and skew cholesterol levels. However almost any serious athletic endeavor leads to enlargement of the left ventricle. Also a very large part of arteriosclerosis is a substance called TMAO. This is by product produced by certain bacterial strains that thrive on the amino acid L-carnitine.
When my highly regarded research cardiologist put me on a strict āfins and feathersā diet she stated it wasnāt because of the āevilā cholesterol, but because the meat of mammals is MUCH higher in L-carnitine. Born and raised in the āmeat and potatoā state of Iowa, this was a shock to me. LOL.
I wanted desperately to call BS. However I did my research and found dozens of studies that do point out TMAO is a very large portion of the gunk in arterial plaque. L-carnitine being a favorite for āfat burning ectā. Please do your own research on the subject of TMAO and the L-carnitine connection.
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People with homozygous FH die in their teens, 20s. Maybe they make it to their 30s WITH treatment
My fathers sister had a friend with homozygous FH. One day this friend came to my fathers sister, distraught because she was informed she likely didnāt have long to live.
Being medically uninformed, and generally a very positive person (WAY too positiveā¦) my fathers sister wouldnāt believe her friend.
After allā¦ how could an ultra fit gymnast who had exercised her entire life die from having blocked arteries?
She died like a year later (this is homozygous FH)ā¦ people with untreated heterozygous FH generally die 20-30 years younger. With treatment they still have a slightly higher risk re overall cardiovascular mortalityā¦ but most live normal lives provided they get on treatment at an appropriate age.
Homozygous FH however is a death sentence.
Adaptive cardiac hypertrophy from athletes heart isnāt associated with maldaptive myocardial stiffening, autonomic dysfunction and reduced ventricular compliance.
The pathologically low LVEF, and the degree to which cardiac parameters are changed in some following high dose, chronic AAS use has exponentially more overlap with dialated cardiomyopathy than it does athletes heart.
There are specific tests/parameters one can look at in effort to distinguish between the two. They do this with cardiac screening in athletes.
Yeah, I donāt know if thats the thing with mine or not. My cholesterol was actually in a fairly good range. There is some family history, and all 5 of us 5 siblings have some heart stuff. High blood pressure mostly with them, but Ive never had hbp.
Iād like to think it was a twist in the circumflex as it passes through the AV groove, or that thickening (an unusual amount, not athletes heart) may have restricted flow through that section and caused build up or something, but that doesnāt explain the blockage of the lower right coronary branches.
It just gunked up! They had to get up in there and snake it out!
Iām just glad Iām only a 10 min. ambulance ride from a great cardiac care hospital.
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You donāt have homozygous FH
People with homozygous FH have like HDL 40, LDL 700 etc
Itās very sad, because thereās nothing you can doā¦ treatment might allow you to make it to 35 or so with homozygous fhā¦ but itās a total death sentence.
There are genetic abnormalities beyond cholesterol that can contribute to increased risk of CVD (predisposition to hypertension, apoe 4 gene etc).
Yeah. I picked up the bit about the AV groove from the surgeon during the attempted placement of the second stent in the circumflex when I was supposed to be sleeping. I always come to during procedures.
He botched it anyways. Couldnāt get the tools past the first stent, cuz he didnāt do his homework to know that there was a 2.2 mm stent upstream from the second blockage.
B team heart surgeon. Never have heart problems near the Christmas holidays.
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Oh ā¦ greatā¦ yet another Luoma TNation report on chemical clown drug monkeys in the steroid circus that is now pretty much mainstream, gym-bum bodybuilding.
Cheers from Chicago.
@TC_Luoma I want to preface my inquiry by saying Iām not trying to stir something up with it, if you catch my drift. However this article you wrote had the Dead Pool articles come to mind. I searched for them and could not find them. One of them is linked in this article but the link doesnāt lead to the article.
If memory serves me correctly and I accurately identified the men described in the articles, some of them unfortunately did pass on (eg, Brad Hollibaugh, Greg Kovacs) or health disorders.
I understand if these articles were taken down for good reasons. Itās just that, as said, this article reminded me of them considering the topic.
Great article.
As morbid as this may be, I feel the only way to get truly clear answers is if bodybuilders opt to have their bodies studied much like football players did for concussions.
But getting some thing like that started usually takes a celebrity in the sport taking the first step
I have a question for both of you, though I donāt want to derail the thread. May I tag you in the covid thread in the PWI forum?
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Youāve got to be kidding meā¦
This website has nothing to do with the concept of the ātotality of evidenceā approach
This website in itself ONLY operates under the guise of talking about the pandemicā¦
This doesnāt mean anything. Herd immunity has nothing to do with whether a vaccine is effective or not.
You are belligerently stating what you believe is factā¦ which is fine, but the problem I have is when people such as yourself then proceed to promote conspiracies, specifying these conspiracies are factual.
Iāve had four covid shotsā¦ where is my TTS, myocarditisā¦ actuallyā¦ iām autistic (neurodevelopmental disorder that occurs in the WOMB)ā¦ did a vaccine make me autistic?
I donāt think my mom took any shots during the 6-7 months I was in the wombā¦ (I was born at 28 weeks)
Is this a serious response?
Because I largely agree with what you are saying hereā¦ this āexpert insightā tends to come from individuals who are so far removed from the situation at hand it isnāt even funny.
You actually can self educate on how vaccines workā¦ instead of deliberately looking to fringe sources and/or disproven scientific concepts to solidify your own biases. Or just go and ask a sample of doctors (random GPās, NPās, immunologists. Many GPās will be MORE THAN HAPPY to talk to you about vaccines!)
You can find an anti vax doctor (very rare, more likely to find an anti vax nurse or NP and even thatās very rare)ā¦ why not go to the anti vax doctorā¦ then go to any other random GP with the info youāve learnt from the anti vax doctor? The matter of fact is, reputable physicians will tear apart anti vax arguements methodically, with no wiggle room for valid counterarguements because there are none.
At which point the only logical path to follow if you wish to continue with the āvaccines are terribleā bandwagon is to sink into personal bias and conspiracy theories.
Look into the technology behind pfizer/moderna shots. Many unbaised sources exist. Look into the hundreds of clinical trials up for the public to look atā¦ actually read them yourself, donāt look at some quacks interpretation of the results that are typically taken out of context.
What aggravates me the most is the sheer arrogance coming from some of these people.
Are the covid vaccines riskier than sayā¦ the flu shotā¦ statistically yes, but that elevation in risk comes from an already miniscule baseline.
If you donāt want to take the covid shotā¦ donāt take itā¦ however in Australia 4% of the population is unvaccinated yet they make up some 30-35% of covid deathsā¦ so more vaccinated people are dying, but look at the proportion of deaths that tiny 4% makes up.
There was actually a few studies that came out recently showcasing distinct patterns from within the brains of those who are prone to conspiracy theories. You generally find it isnāt JUST the covid vaccine one will go after, so it is interesting to look at the brains of conspiracy theorists to see if there is a difference regarding the way they might process information.
It turns out there actually is a differenceā¦
If you are worried about dying from a covid shotā¦ donāt driveā¦ far more likely to be seriously maimed in a crash, more likely to die from being struck by lightningā¦ or walking down a crowded streetā¦
More likely to be shot in Americaā¦ and many other countries than you are to die from a vaccineā¦
Does this mean you wonāt ever pick up a gun again?
- dopaminergic dysregulation
- altered pattern recognition
- confirmation bias
- lack of percieved control (I believe this variable has led to a lot of the anti covid vax sentiment)
Thatās my point natural immunity is no longer the norms as Pfizer says that their vaccine is better than natural immunity. Thatās a complete lie as anyone who has taken elementary biology can tell you. The vaccine doesnāt work as vaccinated people are still catching covid and infecting others and yet they are still pushing the vaccine. Obviously there is an alternate motive for their mandate, and itās called profit. Pfizer business model is to make hundreds of billions while paying few billions in fines. Trust me the vaccine has nothing to do about your health.
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Which study is this?
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