[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Alright guys, I rewatched it again last night paying attention to EVERYTHING…and yea, Bruce Wayne is most certainly alive at the end. Nothing open-ended here. I was just too giddy opening night and missed some of the subtleties. [/quote]
What tipped you off? Him eating dinner at that cafe while alive?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Alright guys, I rewatched it again last night paying attention to EVERYTHING…and yea, Bruce Wayne is most certainly alive at the end. Nothing open-ended here. I was just too giddy opening night and missed some of the subtleties. [/quote]
What tipped you off? Him eating dinner at that cafe while alive?
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I originally thought it was in Alfred’s imagination. I never expect things to be as they seem in Nolan movies.
Great movie. LOVED the ending.
I had a serious problem with the “lying in the service of the Good” ending of TDK; this movie entirely redeems that. The lie - or, their conceit that they COULD lie in the service of the Good - is what makes Bane’s actions possible. The lie is like air to the Evil. Eventually, they have to confront it; B ends up having to sacrifice himself to atone for that sin.
The beauty of the ending is that, because Batman is a symbol, the guy playing him - Bruce - can “kill” Batman, and still have Bruce live. That is the only way he can live.
[Fox had said “a less busy mind” could fix the auto pilot, remember?]
What a great gift Bruce gave Alfred, his true father, so the old man wouldn’t beat himself up about it anymore, and could die in peace.
Also, re: JGL. Batman had said “a hero can be anyone” and “the mask is to protect your loved ones”, so add that to JGL going into the Batcave at the end, and my impression was he was going to be the next Batman (the last shot of JGL is him standing on the black box that contains the batsuit as it RISES out of the water.)
Hathaway looks hot as hell in that black leather outfit.
re: the holes.
Nolan probably had material for two, two hour movies; probably a real PITA for him to cut it down to one movie of less than three hours running time.
I bet they have entire scenes shot that would answer some of the questions. Perhaps on DVD?
I was able to say the words Alfred read at the grave not because I’m as well-read as FightinIrish, but because the same thing was read in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.
Watch Bane be alive still… his vest is bullet proof. I was also like WTF, Bane was just beating wing boys ass at first, then all of a sudden… batman comes back and does a chuck norris on his ass.
[quote]BeeRich wrote:
Watch Bane be alive still… his vest is bullet proof. I was also like WTF, Bane was just beating wing boys ass at first, then all of a sudden… batman comes back and does a chuck norris on his ass.[/quote]
I did indeed wait for Bane to get up, as movies like that piece of shit The Patriot
had a bad guy that took more bullets and knife wounds than Bane did.
I mean lots of movies have the bad guy shot and stabbed and kicked out of a third-floor window but he’s still alive; everyone knows bad guys need to get cut up in rotors or dropped from at least 40 storeys.
Well, I know I’m going to be in the minority when I say this, but I just really didn’t think it was a very good movie. Perhaps my expectations were too high based on Batman Begins and TDK. I don’t know. I want to say it seemed “forced”, but that word doesn’t really sum it up for me. I was really expecting to be blown out of my seat on this one, and I wasn’t.
On a positive note, Hardy was very good as Bane. I would have liked to have seen Bane do some more hand-to-hand combatives, and I would have liked the fights with Batman to be longer than they were, and more…I don’t know…spectacular, somehow.
Michael Caine was great, as always. The guy just adds a level of class to everything he performs in…even Goldmember.
But, overall, for people to say it was a “great” movie, or especially “the greatest film ever”…that’s a bunch of fanboy talk. This was by no means a “great” film.
Overall, I found it disappointing. I still think Batman Begins was the best of the trilogy.
[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Overall, I found it disappointing. I still think Batman Begins was the best of the trilogy. [/quote]
I can understand your post except this bit about thinking BB was the best.
I love BB, but The Dark Knight was seriously one of the greatest movies of all time - forget ‘action movies’ or ‘comic movies’… I’ve just never seen a movie that used breathtaking performances by several actors to go to such philosophical depths and at the same time, keep it action packed and interesting for the dopey masses.
I think I really enjoyed the re-tooling of the Batman franchise, and Nolan’s grounding of it in reality, to the extent that he could. It made Batman almost plausible, and made the whole concept somehow more interesting.
TDK is a very good movie…I’m not implying that it wasn’t. Much of that though, is due to one outstanding performance. I, for one, did not care for the whole “taking on the lie for Harvey Dent” thing. I guess I just don’t care for the characterization of Batman as such a tragic figure. Nolan’s vision of him is virtually humorless.
Regardless, I realize most people prefer TDK. That’s cool. Different strokes, and all that…
It beat my expectations and that’s saying a lot. Fantastic movie.
The only real plot hole I see is the rope in the pit.
Falling 50 feet and being caught by a rope around your waist should at least break your back again, if not more. At least tie it to your foot.
The rope is clearly strong enough to be climbed.
When you get to the “leap to freedom platform”, pick up the slack and tie the rope around you again. Then you could even swing to freedom.
Use a running start when jumping. Talia understood this.
Other than that, it pretty much makes sense.
Lets see how much ammo you’d have left after 3 months of complete chaos on an island where nothing comes in or out.
Just like in the comics, Bane was taken out by someone else using tools Batman wouldn’t use on a person. Can’t complain about that.
If someone had a nuke and could kill 12 million people you’d probably listen to their demands.
The rest has been answered.
[quote]kakno wrote:
Other than that, it pretty much makes sense.
Lets see how much ammo you’d have left after 3 months of complete chaos on an island where nothing comes in or out.
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The cops would have quite a bit. Assuming that during their invasion of the sewers they were carrying two or three full mags, they would have that same amount when they came out. They weren’t fighting anybody down there.
Actually, Bane’s guys might be at more of a disadvantage, because generally guys who don’t know shit about shooting are pretty inaccurate, even with assault rifles (see the Battle of Mogadishu.)
That being said, the range of a pistol is not that far, so melee actually may have been likely… but it was a poor plan to just send every cop up one street with a bunch of short-range firearms and put them in a situation where only the cops at the front of the line could shoot. That’s not maximizing firepower very well.
But I’ll attribute it to a lack in leadership and slight insanity after being in a hole for three months.
Plus, the idea was to show the cops as those who are creating civil unrest instead of stopping it, and that formation is typical of what unarmed protesters generally do when confronted with a police force looking to quell riots. So the symbolism was stronger that way.
Just my opinion.
[quote]mapwhap wrote:
I think I really enjoyed the re-tooling of the Batman franchise, and Nolan’s grounding of it in reality, to the extent that he could. It made Batman almost plausible, and made the whole concept somehow more interesting.
TDK is a very good movie…I’m not implying that it wasn’t. Much of that though, is due to one outstanding performance. I, for one, did not care for the whole “taking on the lie for Harvey Dent” thing. I guess I just don’t care for the characterization of Batman as such a tragic figure. Nolan’s vision of him is virtually humorless.
Regardless, I realize most people prefer TDK. That’s cool. Different strokes, and all that… [/quote]
Nolan’s Batman is all business and he purposely depicted him as a tragic figure. It’s all good in TDKR at the end though - Wayne finally becomes free and starts a happier life.
BB is probably my favourite of the three too. The only problem with it is it didn’t have the captivating villain the others have. Ra’s Al Ghul was well portrayed but he just wasn’t the ruthless villain like Joker and Bane. He wasn’t evil to the extent we know his motivations for wanting to destroy Gotham.
I dont think the first fight scene could have been any longer… Bane was just schooling his ass. If I was Bane, I would have just broke his ass… and then shot him in the face… just for good cause… and that cause would be for the kiddy versions of Batman movies for the last 20 years… and for leaving the joker upside down on a rope, and for growling when he talks.
[quote]kakno wrote:
The rope is clearly strong enough to be climbed.
When you get to the “leap to freedom platform”, pick up the slack and tie the rope around you again. Then you could even swing to freedom.[/quote]
Rope is attached to freedom platform. The one he throws back down when he reached the top is not the rope he climbed on.
Just watched it for the second time.
Don’t you think its strange that Bats decides to hook up with Cat-woman. I mean sure she has a nice ass and all, but I think there personalities clash a bit. Maybe he just smashing it for the short-term.
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That’s better then.
[quote]kakno wrote:
That’s better then.[/quote]
It bugged me too until I saw the movie again.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
How did Robin know Bruce Wayne was Batman?
The said the nuclear bomb had a 5-6mile radius. How could he have possibly survived the blast?[/quote]
It’s possible
[quote]therajraj wrote:
How did Robin know Bruce Wayne was Batman?
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He just put two and two together. When Blake goes to see Bruce in Wayne Manor, he tells him that his parents were also killed by criminals and that he learned to wear a smile as a mask to stop those around him from seeing the anger burning within. He saw through Bruce Wayne’s “mask”.