[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
The first fight scene where Bane breaks batmans back…I thought it was a little week. Could have been done a bit better and the actual act of Bane breaking Batman’s back could have been done in a more iconic way. IMO[/quote]
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Did you really watch the movie?[/quote]
Yes…why?
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
I really liked the score and thought Anne Hathaway did a good job as Catwoman, simply on the way she portrayed Catwoman artistically. I personally would have liked to see someone a little bustier. [/quote]
Great Movie!! DAMN… Talia had some huge boobs! When she went inside Bruce’s Mansion, she was looking strapped! Also, I didn’t like the scene where the cops rushed, they easily could have been mowed down by gun fire. Every mercenary had an automatic gun. Anyways, all in all a good movie.
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
The first fight scene where Bane breaks batmans back…I thought it was a little week. Could have been done a bit better and the actual act of Bane breaking Batman’s back could have been done in a more iconic way. IMO[/quote]
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Did you really watch the movie?[/quote]
Yes…why?[/quote]
And you thought the first fight scene was weak?
^No, I thought that it was a decent fight scene, not the best but not weak by any means. I did however think that the actual act of bane breaking batmans back was weak. Just a quick up and down, no real suspense to it. And I also thought it could have been about 5 minutes longer with Bane really just beating the shit out of him, maybe breaking an arm or something too. Just my opinion.
I think it would have been a better fight scene if we know Banes strength. Not like we needed a montage of him lifting in the gym but his actual physical strength. He snapped some necks and stuff but not enough to sell it. They had the sound different for his strikes and unlike the past two films Batman cried out in pain a LOT. Could have demoed it better now that I think of it. Still love the movie
Wait, am I the only one in here that didn’t think Wayne was alive at the end, but it was just a fantasy of Alfred’s? When I walked out of the theater I remember talking to my gf about it, and being like, “hmmm, well that was bitter sweet.” She says, “what are you talking about?” I say “that Bruce Wayne is dead!” Her reply, “what the hell are you talking about? he was clearly alive at the end.” Maybe I missed something.
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Wait, am I the only one in here that didn’t think Wayne was alive at the end, but it was just a fantasy of Alfred’s? When I walked out of the theater I remember talking to my gf about it, and being like, “hmmm, well that was bitter sweet.” She says, “what are you talking about?” I say “that Bruce Wayne is dead!” Her reply, “what the hell are you talking about? he was clearly alive at the end.” Maybe I missed something. [/quote]
No, I’m with you.
Actually I’m more of the mind that the ending is like the spinning top at the end of Inception and that we don’t know if Wayne is alive or dead.
[quote]Nards wrote:
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Wait, am I the only one in here that didn’t think Wayne was alive at the end, but it was just a fantasy of Alfred’s? When I walked out of the theater I remember talking to my gf about it, and being like, “hmmm, well that was bitter sweet.” She says, “what are you talking about?” I say “that Bruce Wayne is dead!” Her reply, “what the hell are you talking about? he was clearly alive at the end.” Maybe I missed something. [/quote]
No, I’m with you.
Actually I’m more of the mind that the ending is like the spinning top at the end of Inception and that we don’t know if Wayne is alive or dead.
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I think it would be weird for Alfred, who simply saw a picture of her for a moment on the computer screen of the Bat-Cave, to imagine Bruce there with Selena Kyle.
Too me, it was actually suppose to NOT be like Inception. Otherwise Nolan would have just showed Alfred’s face, his smirk and nod, and let you decide. Bruce and Selena were shown to make it KNOWN this wasn’t a Nolan ‘cliff-hanger’ ending.
[quote]Nards wrote:
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Wait, am I the only one in here that didn’t think Wayne was alive at the end, but it was just a fantasy of Alfred’s? When I walked out of the theater I remember talking to my gf about it, and being like, “hmmm, well that was bitter sweet.” She says, “what are you talking about?” I say “that Bruce Wayne is dead!” Her reply, “what the hell are you talking about? he was clearly alive at the end.” Maybe I missed something. [/quote]
No, I’m with you.
Actually I’m more of the mind that the ending is like the spinning top at the end of Inception and that we don’t know if Wayne is alive or dead.
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No, that’s why they kept mentioning the auto-pilot being broken. Batman fixed it and wasn’t even in the Bat when it blew up.
So…the cover of GQ magazine has Gordon-Levitt on it and the title reads Boy Wonder…maybe he WAS supposed to be a Robin type character? Idk cuz I didn’t stop to read the article.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Wait, am I the only one in here that didn’t think Wayne was alive at the end, but it was just a fantasy of Alfred’s? When I walked out of the theater I remember talking to my gf about it, and being like, “hmmm, well that was bitter sweet.” She says, “what are you talking about?” I say “that Bruce Wayne is dead!” Her reply, “what the hell are you talking about? he was clearly alive at the end.” Maybe I missed something. [/quote]
No, I’m with you.
Actually I’m more of the mind that the ending is like the spinning top at the end of Inception and that we don’t know if Wayne is alive or dead.
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No, that’s why they kept mentioning the auto-pilot being broken. Batman fixed it and wasn’t even in the Bat when it blew up. [/quote]
I’m not being very strict to my little theory and am not even behind it even 80% but my answer to that would be that Wayne had sort of a death wish by then, and that even though he fixed the auto-pilot he still let himself die.
It is one of those things now where the more that I think of it though I think I was wrong when I first came out of the theater and that he did indeed survive.
Yeah Batman wasn’t suicidal. The Bat’s auto-pilot was fixed so he didn’t even need to get into the thing at the end to take away the bomb. Dude could have stayed and hosted a cook out at the Gotham city hall if he wanted to.
He wanted to ‘retire’ HIS Batman and also leave Gotham City as Bruce Wayne (taking heed to what Alfred said in that emotional speech about how Gotham only brings him pain). Faking his death, both as Batman and Bruce Wayne was the only way he could do that. At the end, everyone close to him and at that funeral finds out he’s really alive.
[quote]Nards wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Wait, am I the only one in here that didn’t think Wayne was alive at the end, but it was just a fantasy of Alfred’s? When I walked out of the theater I remember talking to my gf about it, and being like, “hmmm, well that was bitter sweet.” She says, “what are you talking about?” I say “that Bruce Wayne is dead!” Her reply, “what the hell are you talking about? he was clearly alive at the end.” Maybe I missed something. [/quote]
No, I’m with you.
Actually I’m more of the mind that the ending is like the spinning top at the end of Inception and that we don’t know if Wayne is alive or dead.
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No, that’s why they kept mentioning the auto-pilot being broken. Batman fixed it and wasn’t even in the Bat when it blew up. [/quote]
I’m not being very strict to my little theory and am not even behind it even 80% but my answer to that would be that Wayne had sort of a death wish by then, and that even though he fixed the auto-pilot he still let himself die.
It is one of those things now where the more that I think of it though I think I was wrong when I first came out of the theater and that he did indeed survive.
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I just told you he lived. There’s nothing more to think about Nards! Why don’t you go back to chewing bubble gum and/or kicking ass?
Yeah, I now concede.
I must admit I didn’t hear the auto-pilot thing when I saw the movie and my buddies told me about it in the lobby after the movie, so I sort of had Wayne dying stuck in my head.
Well that and Dave Letterman said so.
Couple of things here that my non-literary compatriots might have missed are the reasons that I liked this movie so much.
There were many things I didn’t really like. As Steel Nation said - melee? When everyone has pistols and assault rifles? The president and the military of said country KIND OF intervenes but not reallllyyyy… after five months, the guy from Rescue Me as a spec ops is the best they can do?
Anne Hathaway was missing that psychotic streak that catwoman should have, and Bain never really hinted at any kind of class-based uprising, or warfare, in any way - it was just supposed to be assumed that the people that followed him were The Proletariat, but they never explained why or how he found them.
But while there was a lot I could do without (including the first very slow hour), Nolan did a spectacular job with the ending that made up for a lot.
As a student of both history and literature, I’ve got to say that the scenes of mass uprising were impressive, and his leaning on the French Revolution for those scenes even more so; in this movie, Bain is Robespierre, his army the Third Estate, the scarecrow is the guillotine and Gotham his Paris.
The political energy that drives this movie comes directly from 1789, and the scenes of the aftermath of revolution were done poetically and beautifully: the Scarecrow sitting atop a pile of desks, issuing decrees of “Exile or Death,” arresting everyone in the name of the people, using the ice as the guillotine, etc. was post-revolutionary France seeping through every pore of the movie.
And he mixes it all with hints of socialist uprising, of the anger at Wall Street, of the super-rich laughing while the poor and destitute slug it out for their scraps… if the Dark Knight was about the inner struggle between altruism and selfishness, then Dark Knight Rises was about the system-wide struggle between not only chaos and authority, but of the chasm between rich and poor that, in this very country, widens to unspeakable lengths.
And its about how some people of great evil can take advantage of that anger, and misdirect it with brutal intent.
And at the end, what is read in front of Bruce Wayne’s grave?
A Tale of Two Cities.
Masterfully done.
^ Great post FI
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Couple of things here that my non-literary compatriots might have missed are the reasons that I liked this movie so much.
There were many things I didn’t really like. As Steel Nation said - melee? When everyone has pistols and assault rifles? The president and the military of said country KIND OF intervenes but not reallllyyyy… after five months, the guy from Rescue Me as a spec ops is the best they can do?
Anne Hathaway was missing that psychotic streak that catwoman should have, and Bain never really hinted at any kind of class-based uprising, or warfare, in any way - it was just supposed to be assumed that the people that followed him were The Proletariat, but they never explained why or how he found them.
But while there was a lot I could do without (including the first very slow hour), Nolan did a spectacular job with the ending that made up for a lot.
As a student of both history and literature, I’ve got to say that the scenes of mass uprising were impressive, and his leaning on the French Revolution for those scenes even more so; in this movie, Bain is Robespierre, his army the Third Estate, the scarecrow is the guillotine and Gotham his Paris.
The political energy that drives this movie comes directly from 1789, and the scenes of the aftermath of revolution were done poetically and beautifully: the Scarecrow sitting atop a pile of desks, issuing decrees of “Exile or Death,” arresting everyone in the name of the people, using the ice as the guillotine, etc. was post-revolutionary France seeping through every pore of the movie.
And he mixes it all with hints of socialist uprising, of the anger at Wall Street, of the super-rich laughing while the poor and destitute slug it out for their scraps… if the Dark Knight was about the inner struggle between altruism and selfishness, then Dark Knight Rises was about the system-wide struggle between not only chaos and authority, but of the chasm between rich and poor that, in this very country, widens to unspeakable lengths.
And its about how some people of great evil can take advantage of that anger, and misdirect it with brutal intent.
And at the end, what is read in front of Bruce Wayne’s grave?
A Tale of Two Cities.
Masterfully done. [/quote]
Yeah I knew all of that, I was just waiting to see if you noticed it.
But for real, great insight Irish.
And also, the Gangs of New York / Trojan War ending, with Bane and Batman finding each other in the crowd, was good, too. A modern day Hector and Achilles.
Although as far as the government not really intervening, we’re assuming that this is happening in America when in fact it is not. Theirs is a different world, and following with the idea of the French Revolution - or really, pieces of the American revolution, when Boston or NY was under occupation by the British - it is far from guaranteed that the government has the capability to do anything about it’s largest city held hostage.
The world of Gotham City and Batman is too large, complex, and unknown to be able to simply assume that if the city came under siege, the outside military would be able to break it without razing the city.
Alright guys, I rewatched it again last night paying attention to EVERYTHING…and yea, Bruce Wayne is most certainly alive at the end. Nothing open-ended here. I was just too giddy opening night and missed some of the subtleties.