Dark Knight Rises Spoiler Edition

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Anyone else notice that Bane had a Darth Vaderish personality … just sayn to me not orginal

A better plot would have been Bane was created when the company did contracts for the military (super soldier program) He became smart and strong and turned on his handlers. 2nd in command to some girl that fucks Bruce Wayne to avenge her daddy. WOW lacking definately and makes him out to be a little bitch boy.

They should have retired the whole league of shadows in the first one.

Overall it was a good movie …but if your more on the hardcore side you will see flaws in the plot line and logic.

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
oh man roybot never ceases to amaze. I don’t think some people on here fully appreciate the knowledge and commentary he drops on a consistent and regular basis. eloquent and enlightening are probably the two words I’d use to describe his posts. That stuff on a ‘Tale of Two Cities’ and the book-cinema-entertainment trifecta was gold.
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Thanks! Very kind of you to say so!

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The actress that played Miranda Tate fucking sucked. Her death scene was the worst one Ive ever seen.

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[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:
In the year 2039, a 17 year old boy growing up in the Wayne Estate Orphanage under the mentor-ship of John “Robin” Blake discovers the Batcave. As he stops to gaze at the wondrous site, he is stopped cold by a hand resting on his shoulder. Expecting to see his mentor as he turns around, he is astonished by the menacing stare of an aging Bruce Wayne.
The boy’s name?
Terry McGinnis[/quote]
no[/quote]

Any better ideas, Sardines? Toohuman’s pitch was better than a lot of movie plots. I’d watch a Batman Beyond movie. Nolan has hit on something by bringing a franchise to a finite end. There are so many iterations of Batman in the comics that his story could be told and re-told over and over again and in different genres.

Nolan’s Batman was realistic; Batman Beyond could be sci-fi; Batman & Dracula: Red Rain is horror (although I’d sub a vampirized Man-Bat for Drac in the movie) and my fave Batman villain the Reaper would be a prequel and origin story in one.

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[quote]Spidey22 wrote:

[quote]Consul wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
I agree with everything you wrote about Bane. I thought he was fucking awesome. “Menacing” is the best and only word needed to describe him. The part where he put his hand on Daggett’s shoulder and said “do you still feel in control?” was one of my favorite scenes in the movie.

The other was watching him beat the ever-loving shit out of Batman in their first fight. Really any scene with Bane was my favorite in the movie. I thought Hardy completely fucking nailed it.

I DID NOT like how Bane seemed to shrink in importance and stature the minute we find out about Talia. Like all of a sudden he’s just another pawn, and she was really the brains the whole time. Then, BOOM, Selina shoots him. He deserved more than a comic-relief death.[/quote]

x2. Loved those scenes.

I think the Talia storyline ruined the ending. Bane deserved more, and I wasn’t impressed by her character.[/quote]

Yeah, I feel making Talia THE mastermind was a mistake. It would have been just as surprising had she just been apart of the League of Shadows at all. Her being the child of Ra’s al Ghul could have still been done, just not make it look like Bane was just a lackey. It takes away the brilliance he had when discovering the weapons of Wayne Enterprise, the way he used Gordan’s speech to make his take-over seem like a liberation, etc. The way they did it, somehow implied Talia could have been responsible for that.

But Bane still just made the movie for me. The way Tom Hardy, even with a masking covering his face, the way he acted with his eyes made the character’s words so much more intense. The speech about being ‘raised in the dark’ was brilliant IMO. It was different then the Joker; when Ledger came onto the screen, I felt honestly uncomfortable. With Bane, I had to respect him, just that he was Alpha as fuck (until he ended up just being a white knight lolol).

Did anyone else feel strange watching Batman get his ass whooped that first time. I’ve seen him get beat down in comics, but that scene was brutal. Bruce, in the full Batman suit, just getting outmatched completely, him honestly giving it his all and being no match, honestly made me feel sick. It was like watching you Dad get beat up or something, like my brain wasn’t processing it. They did a great job of, for probably the first time in a superhero movie, for a second my brain thought ‘The Hero may not win’. [/quote]

I think Nolan could’ve easily stretched this over four movies to do justice to Bane and Talia. That’s why certain elements felt rushed. I see so much written about how such-and-such a movie could be a trilogy, but why not just let the story run if it’s good?

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:
In the year 2039, a 17 year old boy growing up in the Wayne Estate Orphanage under the mentor-ship of John “Robin” Blake discovers the Batcave. As he stops to gaze at the wondrous site, he is stopped cold by a hand resting on his shoulder. Expecting to see his mentor as he turns around, he is astonished by the menacing stare of an aging Bruce Wayne.
The boy’s name?
Terry McGinnis[/quote]
no[/quote]

Any better ideas, Sardines? Toohuman’s pitch was better than a lot of movie plots. I’d watch a Batman Beyond movie. Nolan has hit on something by bringing a franchise to a finite end. There are so many iterations of Batman in the comics that his story could be told and re-told over and over again and in different genres.

Nolan’s Batman was realistic; Batman Beyond could be sci-fi; Batman & Dracula: Red Rain is horror (although I’d sub a vampirized Man-Bat for Drac in the movie) and my fave Batman villain the Reaper would be a prequel and origin story in one. [/quote]
I would just keep Batman Beyond out of the Nolanverse, it doesn’t fit.

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I loved the movie. I felt that the pacing albeit different, was needed to separate itself from the others. IDK on the ending of Bane. I think shooting him with a cannon type gun from the bike was cool as hell but it could’ve been done by Batman in a more badass way…like shooting him off of a building and watching him fall…and not as a comedic relief item. Overall though, this movie was AWESOME.

Tom Hardy did NAIL it as another poster said earlier. Bane is orginally of hispanic descent in the comics but I liked having a bane character with a British accent. The whole Hispanic brute as the male villian is a little overdone IMO. Having Hardy rock his normal accent gave Bane an almost Regal Brutish nature…which was absolutely BOSS.

Also the soundtrack! No one has mentioned the soundtrack! It was awesome! Especially the chants of “Rise” coinciding with the orchestra.

I’m not upset at the fact That Talia slept with Bruce, she had to do what she had to in order to gain his trust and access to the reactor. Writing it that way also cements her in the audience’s mind as Bruce’s main love interest and not capable of betrayal.

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One thing I laughed at was the part when Catwoman disappeared as Batman had his back turned. Batman then says, “So that’s what it feels like.” And even though he was all alone on the rooftop he still said it in his Batman voice. LOL.

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Bman couldnt have thrown Bane from a roof or shot him because he doesnt kill people. Thats the whole big deal behind the character. That was the big deal with Dent. It was necessary that catwoman kill him because she was the only one who could. I wish he did in greater fashion. To great of a character to just go down like that. They took joker alive didnt they?

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:

[quote]Consul wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
I agree with everything you wrote about Bane. I thought he was fucking awesome. “Menacing” is the best and only word needed to describe him. The part where he put his hand on Daggett’s shoulder and said “do you still feel in control?” was one of my favorite scenes in the movie.

The other was watching him beat the ever-loving shit out of Batman in their first fight. Really any scene with Bane was my favorite in the movie. I thought Hardy completely fucking nailed it.

I DID NOT like how Bane seemed to shrink in importance and stature the minute we find out about Talia. Like all of a sudden he’s just another pawn, and she was really the brains the whole time. Then, BOOM, Selina shoots him. He deserved more than a comic-relief death.[/quote]

x2. Loved those scenes.

I think the Talia storyline ruined the ending. Bane deserved more, and I wasn’t impressed by her character.[/quote]

Yeah, I feel making Talia THE mastermind was a mistake. It would have been just as surprising had she just been apart of the League of Shadows at all. Her being the child of Ra’s al Ghul could have still been done, just not make it look like Bane was just a lackey. It takes away the brilliance he had when discovering the weapons of Wayne Enterprise, the way he used Gordan’s speech to make his take-over seem like a liberation, etc. The way they did it, somehow implied Talia could have been responsible for that.

But Bane still just made the movie for me. The way Tom Hardy, even with a masking covering his face, the way he acted with his eyes made the character’s words so much more intense. The speech about being ‘raised in the dark’ was brilliant IMO. It was different then the Joker; when Ledger came onto the screen, I felt honestly uncomfortable. With Bane, I had to respect him, just that he was Alpha as fuck (until he ended up just being a white knight lolol).

Did anyone else feel strange watching Batman get his ass whooped that first time. I’ve seen him get beat down in comics, but that scene was brutal. Bruce, in the full Batman suit, just getting outmatched completely, him honestly giving it his all and being no match, honestly made me feel sick. It was like watching you Dad get beat up or something, like my brain wasn’t processing it. They did a great job of, for probably the first time in a superhero movie, for a second my brain thought ‘The Hero may not win’. [/quote]

I think Nolan could’ve easily stretched this over four movies to do justice to Bane and Talia. That’s why certain elements felt rushed. I see so much written about how such-and-such a movie could be a trilogy, but why not just let the story run if it’s good? [/quote]

I agree. Would have gladly seen this stretched out. I think it kind of left a lot of questions concerning both Bane and Talia. Out of all 3 films, this one I felt had the most crammed into it, and moved at a much faster pace. While it was fun to watch, kind of feel that’s one of the reasons Bane wasn’t closer to a Joker-level villain, because Hardy IMO has the acting chops to give just a good of a performance as Ledger did.

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I understand Batman’s moral code and the fact that he doesn’t like guns, I was merely saying they could’ve come up with a better way to send Bane off. I’m totally ok with how they did it though and how the movie came out, nothing was a dealbreaker for me in this movie as far as me walking away and not absolutely loving it.

Always been a Batman fan read the comics as a kid…no need for educating me on his lore or history. :slight_smile:

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Just got back from the movie. All in all I thought it was a good movie, not the best but I did like it.

Some points
The beginning of the movie was pretty good, however i did think the ending was rushed. I would of liked to have seen a bigger battle scene between the guards and the police as well as between Batman and Bane.
The first fight scene where Bane breaks batmans back…I thought it was a little week. Could have been done a bit better and the actual act of Bane breaking Batman’s back could have been done in a more iconic way. IMO
I liked Anne Hathaway as Selina Kyle/Catwoman, but my gf who saw the movie with me thought that the chick that played miranda tate would have been a good catwoman as well. Who knows.
I don’t get where Alfred went when he left, and why they never showed him till the end.
The Bat? Nolan doesnt have to be a complete asshole, he could of called it the batwing like they do in the comics.
I get the point of having Gotham think that batman died, but I don’t get why he would do that to people like Lucious and Alfred…is Bruce Wayne that much of a dickhead?
I guess I’m one of the few that saw John Blake as the new batman. Remember at the end when Gordon was on the rooftop and the bat signal was fixed. Well it was a bat signal not a robin or nightwing signal…Right?

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I liked the overall ending, it was definitely memorable and a good way to end the series. Of course there are details you can nit-pick like how it was kind of rushed and obvious plot questions like how Batman actually survived (kind of dis-aligned with the realism theme of the films) but you have to remember that the source material is a comic book after all.

On Bane - I really enjoyed the character. The opening scene with him and the plane escape was awesome and was a perfect way to start the film. You got a sense this guy was not to be fucked with right from the beginning. The voice was awesome and only added to his menacing presence. When I mentally check-list all those things that make a great villain like intensity and fear, Bane passes all that comfortably and more. However, when I just quickly think about him in the film there’s just something that gives me the impression he could have been better. I can’t exactly pin point something or a list of things specifically and definitely say they would have made the character on that Joker level but I think some of the scenes Bane was in could have been different. For example, the fight scene was great but as a previous poster remarked, maybe they could have emphasised where Bane breaks Batman’s back. Secondly, I don’t think Bane got enough alone time - he was was always surrounded by henchmen which kind of diminished his power ever so marginally. This lack of individuality was all-out exposed near his death when we find out he’s nothing more than love played puppet (essentially parallel to the Bond film The World Is Not Enough where the cold blooded Russian villain is actually controlled (…love) by the girl he kidnapped (Elektra - who also gains trust and sleeps with Bond like Tate sleeps with Wayne). In the end I can’t escape the fact that Bane was just a little pawn and that drains some of the ruthlessness he exhibited throughout the movie.

I really liked the score and thought Anne Hathaway did a good job as Catwoman, simply on the way she portrayed Catwoman artistically. I personally would have liked to see someone a little bustier. I would have cast Penelope Cruz even if she does have that accent. Y’all know Batman would have done anything to get that pussy.

There’s probably more but I have a suspicion this thread isn’t going anywhere any time soon.

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[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
The first fight scene where Bane breaks batmans back…I thought it was a little week. Could have been done a bit better and the actual act of Bane breaking Batman’s back could have been done in a more iconic way. IMO[/quote]

_>

Did you really watch the movie?

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They probably let Catwoman dispatch Bane to establish her as a force to be reckoned with. If she didn’t do anything significant, it would be harder to pitch a solo Catwoman movie - especially after Halle Berry’s Catwoman, which was aimed at a predominantly female audience.

Nolan has said Hathaway deserves a solo movie, and Hathaway said she’d do it if Nolan directed. Not sure if Nolan is ready to commit to a spin-off. Looks like he wants to put all things Batman behind him for now.

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[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
The Bat? Nolan doesnt have to be a complete asshole, he could of called it the batwing like they do in the comics.
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To be fair, they only ever call the batmobile ‘the tumbler’ and the bat cycle ‘the batpod’.

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[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
I agree. Would have gladly seen this stretched out. I think it kind of left a lot of questions concerning both Bane and Talia. Out of all 3 films, this one I felt had the most crammed into it, and moved at a much faster pace. While it was fun to watch, kind of feel that’s one of the reasons Bane wasn’t closer to a Joker-level villain, because Hardy IMO has the acting chops to give just a good of a performance as Ledger did. [/quote]

Yeah, it was weird that a 2h44m movie should feel so rushed. I really think Talia’s back story and motivation wasn’t explored enough - I know this was essential for the twist to work, but I couldn’t help feeling that her actions were a little unbelievable.

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[quote]Consul wrote:

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
I agree. Would have gladly seen this stretched out. I think it kind of left a lot of questions concerning both Bane and Talia. Out of all 3 films, this one I felt had the most crammed into it, and moved at a much faster pace. While it was fun to watch, kind of feel that’s one of the reasons Bane wasn’t closer to a Joker-level villain, because Hardy IMO has the acting chops to give just a good of a performance as Ledger did. [/quote]

Yeah, it was weird that a 2h44m movie should feel so rushed. I really think Talia’s back story and motivation wasn’t explored enough - I know this was essential for the twist to work, but I couldn’t help feeling that her actions were a little unbelievable.
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They explored it in the flashbacks.

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was it rushed because there was a countdown to an atomic explosion? They were under a time cap. Months went by why he healed, how long should the end battle have been drawn out? Unfortunately I agree with you guys as well, probably cause I could have watched another hour or more of that stuff at least :wink:

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
I would have cast Penelope Cruz even if she does have that accent.

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I would have stabbed you in the fucking throat and raped the hole. That cunt is the worst actress in Hollywood.