Damn Christians are at it Again...

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Vires Eternus wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Vires Eternus wrote:
Sorry to post this but after spending some time in PWI I have to ask… how many of you people actually train? [/quote]I had 6000 plus posts in the training forums before here and I will match my training intensity against anybody here. I do still need to get some pics, but there are reasons why that will be difficult now. I have gained about 45 lean pounds as an over 40 guy in the last 5 years.
[/quote]

Damn fine! Just had to wonder, though. Anyone else want to post numbers? My profile’s open and I post vids. Some impressive, some pretty stupid. I’d just like to see if, while posting these discussions on a training site, our collective brawn keeps up with the brain.[/quote]

My numbers are in the TCA’s PR thread for the most part.[/quote]

I have a log.[/quote]

Like I said, you and Push are accounted for. There’s a lot of other names in these threads I have wondered about but only out of mild curiosity.

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[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]JEATON wrote:

It was the part where you were discussing the equivalent of studding the merits of the American way of life in the academic setting of the former USSR.
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Study is study, and fact is fact. And I know stupid shit when I see it.

As for the whole “I’m twice your age” thing…get over it man. It has literally nothing to do with what I wrote.

The great existential questions with which we are dealing are not revealed to you in some ceremony on your 30th birthday. They are older and more mysterious than the sun. You know nothing more of the nature of God or the origin of matter than do I. That I am half your age is absolutely inconsequential.

And if you think it isn’t…my father is agnostic and he is 69 years old–much older than you. Will you yield to him and admit that you’re nothing but an incompetent young fool in light of his advanced age? I didn’t think so.

Really…if you want to deal with anything I put in my original post (you still haven’t in any way, shape, or form), go ahead. I welcome intelligent debate. But shouting “I’m older than you” is not intelligent debate.[/quote]

I have no wish or need to beat you up. I am having conversation. You do seem, however, to become frustrated and dig your hole deeper.
Study most certainly is not study, meaning they do not mean the same thing in all situations.
Just as the saying “practice makes perfect” is incorrect. Perfect practice makes perfect. If you are studying a topic in an academic environment where there is negative bias against that subject, you are not going to be able to examine and assemble the pieces in a meaningful and useful way.
As far as facts go, there are partial facts, clouded facts, misapplied facts. Facts are just data points, and data points can vary widely in their usefulness depending on the subject being studied. Each has its own unique variable.

Also, I could not help but to know more about the nature of God than you do, as I speak with Him daily, read his word, ect. while you admittedly file him away in the same manor as you might leprechauns or unicorns.

As for my age, it simply shows that someone can at one state of his life feel as or more strongly as you do now, and 20 years later change his thoughts 180 degrees.

As far as your father, I am truly sorry. But there is still tile left and I hope he discovers this most wonderful of gifts before his days are through. [/quote]

Oh the pomposity (not shortage of that in PWI). Exactly at which University did you matriculate your own unbiased academic religious studies at?

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[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

It’s fantasy to YOU. You have no idea of the actual history that surrounds Christianity and the Bible. You condemn things you know nothing about. And Christianity is the only thing that people like you are allowed to condemn without ever having read the Bible, much less actually study religion.
[/quote]

Funnily enough, it wasn’t until I actually studied Christian doctrine in an academic setting that I became militant about it.

My parents did me the favor of not indoctrinating me from early childhood. You see, children are stupid, naive, and gullible. And when they are told fantastical lies by adults who they trust unquestioningly, it is only natural that they believe those lies. The lie then becomes so familiar to them that by the time they have become intelligent enough to critically evaluate claims, it has far too strong a hold on them.

When you are spared from that cruel indoctrination, however, and you (as an intelligent adult) read things like “a snake told a woman to eat an apple” or “a man put two of every animal on Earth in a boat to survive a big flood” or “a man lived for three days inside a whale that had swallowed him” or “a virgin had a baby” or “a man walked on water” or “a guy was killed and then rose from the dead”, you have a pretty fucking difficult time respecting the book from which the stories came or, for that matter, the people who for some unspeakable reason have decided to devote their lives to the preposterous mythologies of bygone primitives.[/quote]

Speaking of naivete…[/quote]

Push beat me to it.

“Funnily enough, it wasn’t until I actually studied Christian doctrine in an academic setting that I became militant about it.” Priceless.
[/quote]

Care to explain to me which substantive part of my post was so naive? Was it the part about the talking snakes? Or the living in whale?

You people are unbelievable.[/quote]

It’s the part where, faced with a claim, and unable to directly and/or quickly refute that claim or, recognizing that they cannot, they are reduced to attacking grammar or spelling. This form of fallacious “argument” is a hybrid of several, showing shared traits among numerous fallacious argument types. However, it is used so often in the pages of PWI, it deserves it’s own name.[/quote]

Hold back there Skippy. I answered his question myself with plan language. I could care less if he wrote funnily. And I am not a “they.” Got a question for me? Ask me.

Notice that I have not called anyone laughable, ignorant, naive, (yet).

Truth is, other than a very few general things, you do not have a clue as to what or how I believe. [/quote]

When I’m addressing you specifically, you’ll have “clue”. Carry on.

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[quote]squat junky wrote:
Now I want you go back and think really hard how the United States of America became the greatest nation in the world. Was it by promoting homosexuality? Or, was it by having a strong Judeo/Christain base?

Are you serious? Your country didn’t become the greatest country in the world by having a strong Judeo/Christian base, it became the greatest country in the world a) through slavery b) through having an enormous wealth of primary resources, combined with a giant ever-expanding labour force of hard working immigrants, and c) through staying out of both world wars for as long as possible, while making astronomical profits from exporting manufactured goods (and, for the record, I am not shitting on America for doing so; I wouldn’t have wanted to get dragged into that shit either).

Your country was founded largely by a cadre of enlightened atheists, diests, and agnostics who favoured the separation of church and state. You should keep their vision alive by keeping the two separate. God has no place inside schools. Teach your kids Christian values at home, take them to church, but don’t force your internally incoherent fairy tales of my kids at school. They’re there to learn, not to be indoctrinated.

Lastly, you Christians have to lighten-up on the gays. Some people are born homosexual; that’s just reality. Get over it.[/quote]

STOP POLLUTING THIS THREAD WITH HISTORICAL FACTS AND INSIGHTS! THIS IS PWI. YOU EITHER BELIEVE IN WHAT THEY BELIEVE OR YOU’RE AN UNINFORMED ATHEIST.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]squat junky wrote:
Now I want you go back and think really hard how the United States of America became the greatest nation in the world. Was it by promoting homosexuality? Or, was it by having a strong Judeo/Christain base?

Are you serious? Your country didn’t become the greatest country in the world by having a strong Judeo/Christian base, it became the greatest country in the world a) through slavery b) through having an enormous wealth of primary resources, combined with a giant ever-expanding labour force of hard working immigrants, and c) through staying out of both world wars for as long as possible, while making astronomical profits from exporting manufactured goods (and, for the record, I am not shitting on America for doing so; I wouldn’t have wanted to get dragged into that shit either).

Your country was founded largely by a cadre of enlightened atheists, diests, and agnostics who favoured the separation of church and state. You should keep their vision alive by keeping the two separate. God has no place inside schools. Teach your kids Christian values at home, take them to church, but don’t force your internally incoherent fairy tales of my kids at school. They’re there to learn, not to be indoctrinated.

Lastly, you Christians have to lighten-up on the gays. Some people are born homosexual; that’s just reality. Get over it.[/quote]

Speaking of naivete…[/quote]

Those seem to be the only words you can string together in response to criticism of Christianity.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Another ZEB tactic - he attacks your age. Ad hominem in its many forms. You can’t possibly have a valid opinion because you’re younger than him and well, 50-something year old guys are just wrong. The problem with that is that there are millions of 50-something year old guys that don’t believe what ZEB believes and therefore, that fallacious age paradigm melts like Charlie Sheen’s face on drugs. [/quote]

I can only compare you to that piece of crap that one occasionally steps in. No matter how hard you try to scrape it off the smell just follows you around. Just as you follow me from thread to thread. What is it that bothers you? The fact that I’ve shown you to be an intellectual light weight, and in fact a cut and paste fraud? Well consider this my effort to scrape you off the bottom of my shoe.

I far prefer being a 50’sh guy who occasionally chides a 22 year old on his lack of experience on various political/religious topics than a 40 something guy like you who gives homemade porn lessons to 22 year old’s. But that is what you do. And that’s not all, you are behind a list of questionable posts.

From a lengthy post on how to make better pornography. And no it wasn’t a joke you fielded plenty of questions on the topic from 20 year old’s. You were their “porn guru”. To a thread that you began on how to Chloroform people and then duck tape them. Yes everyone you read that correctly. Now I think we all know what purpose possessing such knowledge would serve.

And when you’re not jotting off your usual perverted posts you’re busy bullying women. I can’t count the number of posts that I quickly reviewed where you beat down a female who had the temerity to actually stand up to you. Time and again you out shouted your victims with a litany of profanity’s. It seems like you prey on weakness, especially if the victim is female. But that is after all what a bully does.

And it was rather easy to find these posts (I can link you if they like we both know where they are). Every time your name came up it was attached to something sleazy, or border line illegal. I literally took the first few posts I found, I can’t imagine what else is out there. And quite frankly I think I’d rather look directly into the sun than read another one of your disgusting posts. If you had a modicum of dignity left (do you?) you would tip toe out of here because no one with an ounce of integrity on either side of the political spectrum is impressed by you.

What you should be doing is trying to be a good example to your young son. What would he want his father to be doing in his spare time? I assure you it would not be bullying women on the Internet, or giving pornography lessons to 20 something’s. And no doubt he would be appalled by your desire to learn how to chloroform and duct tape people.

Once again, get help, instead of stalking me around the Internet you should be in therapy. Because in the long run you’re likely to lose far more than your wife and whatever she took with her if you don’t clean up your act.

[/quote]

I got to the 2nd paragraph and it was the usual recycled ad hominems. It’s funny you call someone an intellectual lightweight when you are betrayed by emotional rigidness that you attempt to pawn off as intelligence and morality. It’s hilarious reading you talk about anything “intellectual” when you cannot make two posts in a row without the crutch of some idiotic, illogical fallacious argument. You cannot even intellectually separate basis concepts like causation and correlation.

But you’re entertaining…watching you stand on your front lawn, shaking your fist and screaming at anyone that disagrees with you.

And oh, by the way, I feel like I have my hand up your back and I’m working your mouth and limbs. Dance puppet. You’re predictable. You’re pathetic. You’re one of my favorite forum primates. You entertain. Always. I’m looking at my watch, waiting for you one or two of your three forum supporters to come along any time now and say “me too”. LOL

DOES ANYONE WANT ME TO POST THE COMPREHENSIVE GUIDE TO ZEB’S FALLACIOUS ARGUMENTS? DOES ANYONE WANT ME TO COVER HIS FELONY PAST AND THE WAY HE FOUND RELIGION? JUST ASK.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Another ZEB tactic - he attacks your age. Ad hominem in its many forms. You can’t possibly have a valid opinion because you’re younger than him and well, 50-something year old guys are just wrong. The problem with that is that there are millions of 50-something year old guys that don’t believe what ZEB believes and therefore, that fallacious age paradigm melts like Charlie Sheen’s face on drugs. [/quote]

I can only compare you to that piece of crap that one occasionally steps in. No matter how hard you try to scrape it off the smell just follows you around. Just as you follow me from thread to thread. What is it that bothers you? The fact that I’ve shown you to be an intellectual light weight, and in fact a cut and paste fraud? Well consider this my effort to scrape you off the bottom of my shoe.

I far prefer being a 50’sh guy who occasionally chides a 22 year old on his lack of experience on various political/religious topics than a 40 something guy like you who gives homemade porn lessons to 22 year old’s. But that is what you do. And that’s not all, you are behind a list of questionable posts.

From a lengthy post on how to make better pornography. And no it wasn’t a joke you fielded plenty of questions on the topic from 20 year old’s. You were their “porn guru”. To a thread that you began on how to Chloroform people and then duck tape them. Yes everyone you read that correctly. Now I think we all know what purpose possessing such knowledge would serve.

And when you’re not jotting off your usual perverted posts you’re busy bullying women. I can’t count the number of posts that I quickly reviewed where you beat down a female who had the temerity to actually stand up to you. Time and again you out shouted your victims with a litany of profanity’s. It seems like you prey on weakness, especially if the victim is female. But that is after all what a bully does.

And it was rather easy to find these posts (I can link you if they like we both know where they are). Every time your name came up it was attached to something sleazy, or border line illegal. I literally took the first few posts I found, I can’t imagine what else is out there. And quite frankly I think I’d rather look directly into the sun than read another one of your disgusting posts. If you had a modicum of dignity left (do you?) you would tip toe out of here because no one with an ounce of integrity on either side of the political spectrum is impressed by you.

What you should be doing is trying to be a good example to your young son. What would he want his father to be doing in his spare time? I assure you it would not be bullying women on the Internet, or giving pornography lessons to 20 something’s. And no doubt he would be appalled by your desire to learn how to chloroform and duct tape people.

Once again, get help, instead of stalking me around the Internet you should be in therapy. Because in the long run you’re likely to lose far more than your wife and whatever she took with her if you don’t clean up your act.

[/quote]

And as for women, why don’t you heed the pleadings of your wife from long ago, and get off the fucking internet and pay some attention to her! Family man lol.

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[quote]Vires Eternus wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Vires Eternus wrote:
Sorry to post this but after spending some time in PWI I have to ask… how many of you people actually train? [/quote]I had 6000 plus posts in the training forums before here and I will match my training intensity against anybody here. I do still need to get some pics, but there are reasons why that will be difficult now. I have gained about 45 lean pounds as an over 40 guy in the last 5 years.
[/quote]

Damn fine! Just had to wonder, though. Anyone else want to post numbers? My profile’s open and I post vids. Some impressive, some pretty stupid. I’d just like to see if, while posting these discussions on a training site, our collective brawn keeps up with the brain.[/quote]

Seriously? You’re a whopping 215lbs. Do you really want to dick measure lifts at this point in your development? Please sign me…“I can good morning more than you can squat”.

And by the way, your hub is set to private. We cannot view your celebrated (by you) body of work. And PS, I used to post training related stuff, but with the quality of authors here, my posting
“advice” after the likes of Dave Tate is superfluous and arrogant.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]squat junky wrote:
Now I want you go back and think really hard how the United States of America became the greatest nation in the world. Was it by promoting homosexuality? Or, was it by having a strong Judeo/Christain base?

Are you serious? Your country didn’t become the greatest country in the world by having a strong Judeo/Christian base, it became the greatest country in the world a) through slavery b) through having an enormous wealth of primary resources, combined with a giant ever-expanding labour force of hard working immigrants, and c) through staying out of both world wars for as long as possible, while making astronomical profits from exporting manufactured goods (and, for the record, I am not shitting on America for doing so; I wouldn’t have wanted to get dragged into that shit either).

Your country was founded largely by a cadre of enlightened atheists, diests, and agnostics who favoured the separation of church and state. You should keep their vision alive by keeping the two separate. God has no place inside schools. Teach your kids Christian values at home, take them to church, but don’t force your internally incoherent fairy tales of my kids at school. They’re there to learn, not to be indoctrinated.

Lastly, you Christians have to lighten-up on the gays. Some people are born homosexual; that’s just reality. Get over it.[/quote]

Speaking of naivete…[/quote]

Naivete? Please elaborate.

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[quote]Vires Eternus wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Vires Eternus wrote:
Sorry to post this but after spending some time in PWI I have to ask… how many of you people actually train? [/quote]I had 6000 plus posts in the training forums before here and I will match my training intensity against anybody here. I do still need to get some pics, but there are reasons why that will be difficult now. I have gained about 45 lean pounds as an over 40 guy in the last 5 years.
[/quote]

Damn fine! Just had to wonder, though. Anyone else want to post numbers? My profile’s open and I post vids. Some impressive, some pretty stupid. I’d just like to see if, while posting these discussions on a training site, our collective brawn keeps up with the brain.[/quote]

Well, I’m a 28 year old powerlifter. I have heretofore competed at 100 kilos, but will now lift at 105. My personal bests are a 272.5k/600.5 lb squat, 165k/365 lb bench (I’ve since put that up raw touch and go), and a 260k/573 lb dead @ 99k/218lbs. I squated 550 in a belt and wraps 5 months ago and push-pressed 315 for the first time this Monday past.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
DOES ANYONE WANT ME TO POST THE COMPREHENSIVE GUIDE TO ZEB’S FALLACIOUS ARGUMENTS? DOES ANYONE WANT ME TO COVER HIS FELONY PAST AND THE WAY HE FOUND RELIGION? JUST ASK.[/quote]

Share please.

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[quote]squat junky wrote:
Some people are born homosexual; that’s just reality. Get over it.[/quote]

Proof.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
DOES ANYONE WANT ME TO POST THE COMPREHENSIVE GUIDE TO ZEB’S FALLACIOUS ARGUMENTS? DOES ANYONE WANT ME TO COVER HIS FELONY PAST AND THE WAY HE FOUND RELIGION? JUST ASK.[/quote]

Share please.[/quote]

In an effort to keep you all up-to-date on ZEB’s dirty tactics, I have updated the guidebook cataloging his various dirty tactics and fallacious argument techniques. To know his tactics, is to know ZEB. Without further ado, ZEB’s Comprehensive Guide to Dirty Internet Fighting, Fallacious Argument Types and Cowardly Attacks (2nd Edition):

  1. Obfuscation.

He rarely engages in the text book example of this because once you disagree with him, he rarely actually attempts to make a cogent point. However, all his other tactics are used in an attempt to obfuscate and avoid meaningful dialogue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/...iki/Obfuscation

  1. Quoting out of Context.

This is really a favorite of his. He’ll build a straw man (more on that later) and cherry pick a quote to feed his straw man. Also, in an attempt to make any reply to him damn near impossible, he will pick apart and respond to discrete sentences, rendering any response on the forum a jumbled confusion and more trouble than it’s worth.

He engages in the sentence by sentence reply not for an attempt at clarity, but to preclude you from rebutting his attacks and tactics. So desperate is his reach in the quoting out of context tactic, that he actually searched for a humorous post of mine from SAMA about making home porn, to make a “point” in this thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/…_out_of_context

  1. Ad Hominem.

This is a favorite of his. It’s quite transparent and requires no further explanation. He’s employing this now in the Jihad thread. He’s attacking someone’s age and experience instead of addressing their arguments. He has also disdainfully labeled some of you here, “atheist” for no other reason than your views do not comport with his own. Since you do not believe in “God”, you surely cannot have a dialogue about God right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/...wiki/Ad_hominem

  1. Association Fallacy.

He has done this several times in this thread. “Bodyguard made a (humorous, tongue in cheek) guide to making better home porn”…“Bodyguard is addicted to porn”.

http://en.wikipedia.org/...ciation_fallacy

  1. Character Assassination.

A favorite of cowards worldwide. ZEB even tries to bring to bear my “confession” (haha, lol I knew he’s like that) in the SAMA cheating thread to this thread. That “myth” was busted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/...r_assassination

  1. Fundamental Attribution Error.

This is a favorite of our Good Christian ZEB. ZEB will pull you into the mud with him, start rasslin with ya, and then turn around and yell for everyone to hear how muddy you are, while he himself is still covered in slime. Also related to Appeal to Pity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/...tribution_error

  1. False Consensus Effect.

This is illustrated where he attempts to bolster his attacks with the similar attacks of one of his forum buddies (only about 2. He’ll win no popularity contest). Remember in high school where one girl decided she didn’t like another girl anymore? What did she do? She attempted to enlist her girlfriends to disliking the girl. Once her girlfriends shared their disdain for the target of her hatred, the girl could then proclaim the target of her hatred, “unpopular”. ZEB still remembers his high school days quite well, in spite of his advanced age. You will notice that Cortes is Zeb’s favorite cohort to enlist. It’s a short list, but it’s all ZEB has.

http://en.wikipedia.org/...onsensus_effect

  1. Straw Man.

A favorite of his, requires no real explanation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/.../wiki/Straw_man

  1. LIE.

As old as the snake in the garden of eden. Just lie. Quite amazing that the Christian on the site would adopt the ways of the snake. “You cheated on your wife, multiple times”.

http://en.wikipedia.org/...sambiguation)

  1. Argument By Selective Observation:

Also called cherry picking, the enumeration of favorable circumstances, or as the philosopher Francis Bacon described it, counting the hits and forgetting the misses. For example, a state boasts of the Presidents it has produced, but is silent about its serial killers.

He cherry picks posts from such high brow places like GAL and SAMA and tries to paint an unflattering picture of you.

  1. Non Sequitur.

This is another favorite of our Good Man. I’m surprised I missed it the first time as he has employed it consistently. For example, “Bodyguard wrote a primer (tongue in cheek) about home porn. Bodyguard is addicted to porn.” Or, “Bodyguard wrote a home porn primer on the adult section of an adult web site. Bodyguard is a great example to kids”. See also Association Fallacy.

  1. Changing the Subject.

This is used simultaneously with the other tactics. It’s the linchpin in his arsenal. Also commonly known as Digression, Red Herring, Misdirection, False Emphasis.

This tactic is generally used to avoid having to defend a claim or make a real rebuttal. He reduces a thread to a series of personal attacks, thereby avoiding engaging in actual rebuttal. This tactic is diversionary in nature, and is often just obstructive, obtuse, or needling. For example, ZEB will often quibble about a poor analogy, or the grammar or spelling a person used. This tactic is an attempt to change the subject and make his target the object of ridicule (see number 7, False Consensus Effect). ZEB doesn’t want to argue your idea, or defend his claims, he wants to nit pick your post.

  1. Failure to State:

If you make enough attacks, and ask enough questions, you may never have to actually define your own position on the topic. This is a ZEB keystone.

  1. Needling.

This is a ZEB favorite. Needling is used to simply attempt to make the other person angry, without trying to address the argument at hand. “See, I told everyone you’re an internet bully!!” This is also used as a delay tactic to avoid actually discussing the topic. When ZEB meets resistance, he rather talk about YOU, and not the topic.

  1. Argument from Age.

ZEB employed this one in the Jihad thread when he disagreed with the position of a younger poster. The younger poster was being respectful, but assertive of their position, but was nonetheless maligned by ZEB because…they didn’t agree with ZEB!!!

  1. Argument by Dismissal.

ZEB will reject your argument, without actually saying why, and in place of stating an actual rebuttal, he will employ various fallacious and dirty tactics from this guide. He’ll needle, cherry pick, etc.

  1. Argument by Emotive Language.

Another crutch employed by ZEB. “You’re ATTACKING Christianity” (when you’re merely questioning it). “You’re DEMEANING Christianity” (when you merely don’t accept it’s origins). He uses hyperbole, to take attention away from any argument you made, and to avoid having to offer substantive rebuttal.

  1. Appeal to Pity.

ZEB just used this one and it’s new. After slandering me and employing all of his dirty tactics, he cried foul when I revealed he is a felon. He even tried to use my 5 year old by stating my “son would be proud” - instead of addressing the charges or sharing with us how HIS son felt when HE got into trouble.

  1. Argument by Vehemence.

If you have the facts, pound on the facts. If you have the law, pound on the law. If you don’t have either, pound on the table.

ZEB pounds on the table, repeatedly and loudly. This tactic is an act of intellectual desperation. ZEB probably engages in this, and his other dirty and fallacious tactics, to discourage anyone in the future from challenging him.

ZEB is about 56 now. As some people age, they become less tolerant to other ideas and opinions. Whereas about 8 years ago, ZEB was eager, even respectful of other opinions, he has now settled into the familiar of the aged: “I’m right, and you’re stupid if you don’t agree with me.”

  1. Cliche Thinking.

He’ll needle you endlessly. He’ll disrespect you. He’ll lie. He’ll reference your family - all in an effort to incite you. And then when you react, he’ll fall back on the cry of cowards all over the internet and call you “an internet tough guy”.

  1. Argument by Half Truth.

“Bodyguard has admitted to cheating” leads to “bodyguard cheated on his wife, multiple times”.

  1. Pious Fraud.

ZEB has claimed that he is doing God’s work by employing all these dirty tactics. He has interrupted at least two threads now where a discussion of religion was taking place. Why? Because there are people there (who he branded atheists) that disagree with or have questions Christianity, or even religion in general.

We have now identified 22 dirty and fallacious tactics used by ZEB. This is our 2nd Edition. I’m quite certain there will be a need for a 3rd Edition and perhaps it’s own thread to educate those in need.

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[quote]Vires Eternus wrote:
Sorry to post this but after spending some time in PWI I have to ask… how many of you people actually train? I know ‘Push’ does. I can’t find a post on a ‘training’ thread in most of your profiles. I can’t find pics or vids of lifts etc.

You guys know there are sites JUST for debating things like this. :smiley:

Seriously though. I think public education is a joke we told ourselves a long time ago and have long since forgotten the punch line. We are arguing this drivel while many schools have 30 or more children in class per educator? The school systems in many parts of our country are underfunded and the teachers unqualified and in some cases, deviant.

Going along with the original post, I think what your community is doing at large is beautiful. Even though I do NOT agree with teaching any part of any religion in school, we are a country facing manifold failures of public systems and services. Our public education system needs help badly, and I’m tired of believing the government can or should be any part of the solution.

If anything is going to get any better, I believe it will involve communities caring enough about the academic development of their children enough to pool their resources and time to improving it. What this will look like in many rural areas will likely be a combination of secular and religiously backed entities. That a community at large who are by vast majority of a particular religious belief, will try to involve their teachings in academia is a given. That activist groups will advocate for the smallest minority within that area is a given.

I don’t understand the heat on either side really. If you don’t have more of an influence on your child’s most deeply held beliefs than their school does, you are failing on a very deep level. I am a parent of a teenage son so I have at least a little clout. Just my two cents.

EDIT: Double D, sorry I didn’t say you to. 10 years training, (2 PLing)[/quote]

Yes, I don’t care to put pictures up or anything for privacy reasons.

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[quote]Vires Eternus wrote:
Sorry to post this but after spending some time in PWI I have to ask… how many of you people actually train?

[/quote]

Train? Youbetcha.

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[quote]Vires Eternus wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Vires Eternus wrote:
Sorry to post this but after spending some time in PWI I have to ask… how many of you people actually train? [/quote]I had 6000 plus posts in the training forums before here and I will match my training intensity against anybody here. I do still need to get some pics, but there are reasons why that will be difficult now. I have gained about 45 lean pounds as an over 40 guy in the last 5 years.
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Damn fine! Just had to wonder, though. Anyone else want to post numbers? My profile’s open and I post vids. Some impressive, some pretty stupid. I’d just like to see if, while posting these discussions on a training site, our collective brawn keeps up with the brain.[/quote]

Everything I feel like sharing is right there in my profile.

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TheBodyGuard

My stalker, still stalks I see. It’s funny in that awfully long, time wasting diatribe that you posted you described yourself almost to the letter. Of course you did forget to do two things. First, you forgot to deny your hideous posts. Of course you can’t you wrote them. You are what you are and it isn’t very good. Secondly, and most importantly you posted no proof of your outlandish accusation. Funny how that works.

You wrote the following:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
DOES ANYONE WANT ME TO COVER HIS FELONY PAST AND THE WAY HE FOUND RELIGION? JUST ASK.[/quote]

Now my friend Mak stated that he wanted to see proof of this accusation. And when you’ve used this specific lie in the past to try to sully my name I too have challenged you to step forward and prove such an outrageous lie. But for all of your bluster (and typing in capitals) you just can’t seem to do it.

Tell me liar, do you subscribe to the theory that a lie repeated often enough will eventually be accepted as the truth? Well, I don’t think that you’re that lucky, at least not around here. T Nation folk of every political persuasion take a dim view of people who throw around such heavy accusations without following it up with proof.

And being as dumb as you are you forgot one important thing no one can prove a lie. You cannot create something where there is nothing. The facts are the facts. Whereas I can link every person on this site to your “how to” porno seminar for 20 something’s. And the thread where you insisted on finding the best way to chloroform and duck tape someone (that one is just creepy - like you). And I can link them to several threads where you played the bully and profanely beat down various females who dared call you out for crossing the line. But all you have is a big fat lie. Strange little corner you’ve painted yourself into.

So now is the time to post back with all of your proof of my “felony past”. Or, you can come forward and tell us all what a desperate individual you are and that you concocted this lie in order to attempt to drag my reputation down to the level of your own. But you won’t do this as that would take character and that is one trait (of many positives) that you don’t have.

I must say that I’ve had plenty of heated debates on this forum. But never, not once have I ever had an opponent who stooped to the level of creating such an outrageous lie. If you had not already seared your conscience from top to bottom with your obvious questionable lifestyle concocting such a lie would probably bother you. But being a liar falls directly into your life’s pattern it seems, so I’m sure it won’t keep you up at night. Perhaps knowing that everyone thinks your a liar and a sleeze might bother you? No, you’re probably used to that in your off line life.

So, now I ask you once again (is this the 3rd time?)to post your proof of these things. Don’t post back rattling off a list of nonsense that you cut and paste from other sites. “Zeb uses ad hominem attacks…um its’ all a logical fallacy I tell you…boo hoo”. Skip all your usual bluster and theatrics, everyone sees through your nonsense anyway, (you’ve underestimated the people at PWI). Go right to the part where you post proof of my nasty past -LOL.

I assure you that those who are eager to read such things will be most unforgiving toward you when you are unable to offer them up. You are truly your own worst enemy (but you know that). You’ve dug yourself a hole with your accusation and I will truly enjoy watching you try to dig yourself out.

What side show will you bring next when you are unable to offer up proof?

I just can’t wait to see.

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[quote]squat junky wrote:

[quote]Vires Eternus wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Vires Eternus wrote:
Sorry to post this but after spending some time in PWI I have to ask… how many of you people actually train? [/quote]I had 6000 plus posts in the training forums before here and I will match my training intensity against anybody here. I do still need to get some pics, but there are reasons why that will be difficult now. I have gained about 45 lean pounds as an over 40 guy in the last 5 years.
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Damn fine! Just had to wonder, though. Anyone else want to post numbers? My profile’s open and I post vids. Some impressive, some pretty stupid. I’d just like to see if, while posting these discussions on a training site, our collective brawn keeps up with the brain.[/quote]

Well, I’m a 28 year old powerlifter. I have heretofore competed at 100 kilos, but will now lift at 105. My personal bests are a 272.5k/600.5 lb squat, 165k/365 lb bench (I’ve since put that up raw touch and go), and a 260k/573 lb dead @ 99k/218lbs. I squated 550 in a belt and wraps 5 months ago and push-pressed 315 for the first time this Monday past. [/quote]

Very good numbers. I retract my prior statement; I cannot good morning your EQUIPPED squat. I can good morning your UNEQUIPPED squat :slight_smile: Seriously, nice numbers…but what does this have to do with PWI???