Daily Coffee & Cortisol Issues

Nutrition
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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]VTTrainer wrote:

[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
VT: Got it…You dont like him, never will. All my internet jacking off couldnt convince you other wise. I personally, have used BioSig on my self for 2 years now as well as some of his training programs and advice, Ive gotten great results. I expounded that knowledge to other clients, who got great results as well. I found other coaches, who have trained with Poliquin for years, who get amazing results.

Check out Clean Health in Aus. People who have trained under him and adopted and adapted his teachings have done incredibly well, not just for themselves but for their clients as well. Who have also gone on to train Prof. Athletes to better careers with an original starting point of Poliquin and all of his bullshit. You found a different “way,” congrats and I hope it is going well. I never argued the dude is not a nut, he is, he knows that, I have had words with him myself about it.

I know he catches a lot of shit about the Puerto Rican muscle gain trip of eating grassfed beef and turing into the hulk with Thor’s hammer for a dick or what ever the rumor. I too assumed bullshit, the guy is pretty weird after all, but then I had a coach show me actual pictures of him after the trip, it was weird, there was a huge difference. Whatever he did, fucking worked…what ever it may have been.

But I have also seen, in person, him say and do some outstanding shit. This is my opinion and I dont know everything. His information regarding cortisol timing and manipulation is pretty spot on for a majority but he does hold a lot back.

Most advice out there is do not raise cortisol post wod, except if it is during a multi event, in which case their are possible dosing procedures. This does not apply to everyone, we are all unique snow flakes. Some people can handle this spike, others are so fucking stressed that they shouldnt even be allowed to smell coffee. Stress is, IMO, the number one cause of most of the populations problems, even over shit foods. This is what I have seen in the real world as true.

Lets get back on subject. Hip hip[/quote]

I asked for some sort of evidence. You have a personal account for one of his MANY lies, without anything to show anyone else for it.

The main thing that I keep asking for is proof, so far I’ve got no scientific evidence… which ppl keep claiming he has backed all his stuff up w science, where’s the research studies? Show me one.
I also don’t have any pseudo-science, either. Show me a before and after, or stats before and after working w him, anything really… so far all I see is a list of pplz names, a guru making claims and no results to show for it for anything.[/quote]

VT,

Here is an article from his website, and his references are cited at the bottom of the article.

I have used these principles myself and found great results.

http://www.charlespoliquin.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Articles/Article/989/Eight_Reasons_Everyone_Should_Do_Sprints.aspx[/quote]

I keep repeating to myself I guess… Something that isn’t non-common sense… like sprinting.

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[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
VT: Sorry amigo, Im over it. Ive got finals and clients and things to do, job, relationship etc etc. Im not about to waste energy trying to convince some cat online of the un-convincible. As Poliquin says regarding all of the free information he puts out, “do the research yourself.” Good luck with your fitness and take care. [/quote]

Shouldn’t be that hard to find based on all the claims you’ve made about him.
Thanks for the lack of contributions.

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[quote]VTTrainer wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]VTTrainer wrote:

[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
VT: Got it…You dont like him, never will. All my internet jacking off couldnt convince you other wise. I personally, have used BioSig on my self for 2 years now as well as some of his training programs and advice, Ive gotten great results. I expounded that knowledge to other clients, who got great results as well. I found other coaches, who have trained with Poliquin for years, who get amazing results.

Check out Clean Health in Aus. People who have trained under him and adopted and adapted his teachings have done incredibly well, not just for themselves but for their clients as well. Who have also gone on to train Prof. Athletes to better careers with an original starting point of Poliquin and all of his bullshit. You found a different “way,” congrats and I hope it is going well. I never argued the dude is not a nut, he is, he knows that, I have had words with him myself about it.

I know he catches a lot of shit about the Puerto Rican muscle gain trip of eating grassfed beef and turing into the hulk with Thor’s hammer for a dick or what ever the rumor. I too assumed bullshit, the guy is pretty weird after all, but then I had a coach show me actual pictures of him after the trip, it was weird, there was a huge difference. Whatever he did, fucking worked…what ever it may have been.

But I have also seen, in person, him say and do some outstanding shit. This is my opinion and I dont know everything. His information regarding cortisol timing and manipulation is pretty spot on for a majority but he does hold a lot back.

Most advice out there is do not raise cortisol post wod, except if it is during a multi event, in which case their are possible dosing procedures. This does not apply to everyone, we are all unique snow flakes. Some people can handle this spike, others are so fucking stressed that they shouldnt even be allowed to smell coffee. Stress is, IMO, the number one cause of most of the populations problems, even over shit foods. This is what I have seen in the real world as true.

Lets get back on subject. Hip hip[/quote]

I asked for some sort of evidence. You have a personal account for one of his MANY lies, without anything to show anyone else for it.

The main thing that I keep asking for is proof, so far I’ve got no scientific evidence… which ppl keep claiming he has backed all his stuff up w science, where’s the research studies? Show me one.
I also don’t have any pseudo-science, either. Show me a before and after, or stats before and after working w him, anything really… so far all I see is a list of pplz names, a guru making claims and no results to show for it for anything.[/quote]

VT,

Here is an article from his website, and his references are cited at the bottom of the article.

I have used these principles myself and found great results.

http://www.charlespoliquin.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Articles/Article/989/Eight_Reasons_Everyone_Should_Do_Sprints.aspx[/quote]

I keep repeating to myself I guess… Something that isn’t non-common sense… like sprinting.
[/quote]

“Something that isn’t non-common sense” ?

Got redundant ?

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[quote]halcj wrote:

[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:

[quote]VTTrainer wrote:

Research papers for caffeine helping workouts? seriously?[/quote]

Actually I wouldn’t be that surprised

I figure the most harm caffeine could cause is sleep disturbance. If it were really practical to try micromanaging your cortisol levels that much then there’s lots of things you’d have to do, like never workout in the morning if you are going to work that day, don’t work out before visiting your inlaws, don’t workout until all your classes are finished for the day…[/quote]

As far as I know, it has pretty much been proven that hormone fluctuations in the short term (such as around workouts and after caffeine etc.) do not have any reasonable effect on muscle/strength gain. I can remember reading a study on gh concentration during and shortly after training, and it was concluded that this had little to no effect on adaptation.
This sounds like the meal-timing myth again to me.[/quote]

Depends on the hormone.

Testosterone - we don’t really know if acute responses are important or not for muscle growth. (some studies may suggest that there may be some merit to the acute response)

Growth hormone in the natural physiological range in any instance doesn’t do much/anything for muscle growth as an adult.

High cortisol post workout is highly associated with anabolism (not saying cortisol is anabolic)

IGF 1 - acute increases of IGF 1 from the muscle cell are incredibly helpful for muscle growth.

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[quote]Podgorica10 wrote:
having to eat every 2-3 hours or otherwise u’ll lose muscle (which is i think nonsense nowdays when its proven that even 24 h after ur last meal u have enough amino acids in ur blood from ur last meal), etc.

I read somewhere that influence of coffee on cortisol levels are negligeble, but not sure if its really true. I wann believe it is coz i love my coffee, and would like to have it all day long, but being obssessed over bb and nutrition i wanna avoid everything that can possibly impede my results.[/quote]

I’d just like to throw out that just because amino acids are in your blood doesn’t mean they are doing anything to positively influence protein synthesis.

And that you still probably want to eat 4-5 meals a day… I mean if you care about being optimal and stuff.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]VTTrainer wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]VTTrainer wrote:

[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
VT: Got it…You dont like him, never will. All my internet jacking off couldnt convince you other wise. I personally, have used BioSig on my self for 2 years now as well as some of his training programs and advice, Ive gotten great results. I expounded that knowledge to other clients, who got great results as well. I found other coaches, who have trained with Poliquin for years, who get amazing results.

Check out Clean Health in Aus. People who have trained under him and adopted and adapted his teachings have done incredibly well, not just for themselves but for their clients as well. Who have also gone on to train Prof. Athletes to better careers with an original starting point of Poliquin and all of his bullshit. You found a different “way,” congrats and I hope it is going well. I never argued the dude is not a nut, he is, he knows that, I have had words with him myself about it.

I know he catches a lot of shit about the Puerto Rican muscle gain trip of eating grassfed beef and turing into the hulk with Thor’s hammer for a dick or what ever the rumor. I too assumed bullshit, the guy is pretty weird after all, but then I had a coach show me actual pictures of him after the trip, it was weird, there was a huge difference. Whatever he did, fucking worked…what ever it may have been.

But I have also seen, in person, him say and do some outstanding shit. This is my opinion and I dont know everything. His information regarding cortisol timing and manipulation is pretty spot on for a majority but he does hold a lot back.

Most advice out there is do not raise cortisol post wod, except if it is during a multi event, in which case their are possible dosing procedures. This does not apply to everyone, we are all unique snow flakes. Some people can handle this spike, others are so fucking stressed that they shouldnt even be allowed to smell coffee. Stress is, IMO, the number one cause of most of the populations problems, even over shit foods. This is what I have seen in the real world as true.

Lets get back on subject. Hip hip[/quote]

I asked for some sort of evidence. You have a personal account for one of his MANY lies, without anything to show anyone else for it.

The main thing that I keep asking for is proof, so far I’ve got no scientific evidence… which ppl keep claiming he has backed all his stuff up w science, where’s the research studies? Show me one.
I also don’t have any pseudo-science, either. Show me a before and after, or stats before and after working w him, anything really… so far all I see is a list of pplz names, a guru making claims and no results to show for it for anything.[/quote]

VT,

Here is an article from his website, and his references are cited at the bottom of the article.

I have used these principles myself and found great results.

http://www.charlespoliquin.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Articles/Article/989/Eight_Reasons_Everyone_Should_Do_Sprints.aspx[/quote]

I keep repeating to myself I guess… Something that isn’t non-common sense… like sprinting.
[/quote]

“Something that isn’t non-common sense” ?

Got redundant ?[/quote]

Forgive my grammar from my phone… but I guess I’m not going to get anything worth looking into on this derailed topic, as expected.