@getcutgetbutt thanks brother 
@boatguy how is cycle coming
Hmmmmmm I guess if someone was very sensitive to the androgenic side effects of testosterone at like 140mg/wk they might run 70mg test 70mg EQ (I’m just hypothesizing, this would also have to factor in the matter that said individual isn’t negatively affected (neurotransmitters and such) by EQ like some are) here. If for some reason the individual has a super trashed liver and therefore aromatises excessively then the 70mg test 70mg mast would make sense, maybe it’s for libido purposes, but then again testosterone should be adequate for that. Maybe I’ll try it one day and tell you how it goes. Can’t see the reason to do so anytime soon tho.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmasteronnnnnnnnnnnnnnn, interesting
@physioLojik I apologize if this question makes you uncomfortable, you don’t have to answer it if you don’t feel comfortable answering this question but post cycle, I was thinking about cruising on 175mg test prop/wk (pip doesn’t bother me), the question is, with regards to longevity is such a cruise dose pushing the boundaries too much? I’ll be honest if all goes well I will probably cycle again, I generally think the rule 2-3x off 1x on will be my motto. So if I take 300mg test for 10wks I’ll probably take 20-30 weeks off before starting again. Next cycle after this one will be… 300mgs of test for 10 wks again, I want to get to the maximum possible level I can possibly be using the least amount of drugs possible if that makes sense, whether it’s safer or not than blasting higher doses… I don’t know, the one paper I read said myocardial dysfunction wasn’t correlated with doses used, however that would imply any dose of AAS would have a detrimental effect on cardiac function, which clearly isn’t true, trt has positive effects on cardiac function and seems to be able to prevent myocardial remodelling. I guess I’ll see if I drop dead or not. Although I life a healthy lifestyle, I believe my anxiety will probably cause a fair amount of burden over long periods of time. I’ve always wondered about masteron, I was actually thinking about running 125mg test 50mg mast as a cruise post cycle however i’d feel very uneasy about it. You see I’ve heard good things about masteron, for those that respond well it can greatly increase libido and sense of well-being, and if the risks are minimal with such a dose I’d like to give it a shot. That being said I’m not sure how risky masteron is when used for long periods of time at a low dose, how much riskier would it be compared to trt alone? Or is there no concencus yet
Secondly, with regards to libido, am I likely to see an increase in libido on cycle, my TT is around 450ng/dl on average with my prescribed dose, and I don’t have nearly the libido I had when I was younger (still better than when I was like 250), feeling fully like my old self again would be a nice bonus, even if it’s only for 10 wks. @physioLojik
Nothing really to report, this is my first week of injecting primo. Original plan was to wait 2 weeks from start before raising test, but I might increase my dose next week from 150 to 250 before going the full 400 the following week. This is also my first week of classes at the community college, so my diet has been a little more random than I prefer, with big gaps between early meals and then much shorter gaps between WO nutrition, PWO shake, and then dinner. Since hormone levels are still on the rise, I figure it won’t hurt anything to use this week to figure out a food strategy.
Did initial weight and measurements this past Sunday, along with pics - funny how they look different from the bathroom mirror (bright white bulb vs ‘warm’ bulb, but still).
On a slight tangent, I was a little ‘nervous’ (not sure that’s the right word, but close enough) taking BIO, CHEM and A&P with labs - three different sciences was how I was looking at it. Well (as you obviously know) those three actually have a decent amount of overlap, so that eased the ol’ mind a little.
I’m running a Deca/Cypionate cycle through my TRT doctor, 210 mgs Cypionate/200 mgs Deca every week for 10 weeks. Thanks for this thread it has been very informative.
Kind of unrelated question, but are Lipo C injections worthwhile whatsoever? I’m trying to cut (currently at 19% body fat). Any advice?
wow, I wish I had your doc… damn, not only would he/she be prescribing me a dose of test high enough to make me feel good, but there’s DECA too for joint pain therefore you can push harder in the gym!!! Plus the health monitering by a doc!
I’m not physiolojik but my advice would be to not rely on drugs for weight loss, diet is the key here. Will Lipo-C injections help? Possibly, it’s a combination of various vitamins and amino acids that may increase your metabolism and therefore burn more fat when combined with diet and exercise, however why spend the extra money when you can get the same results with a good diet?
Everyone says my doctor is great! I’ve only been on TRT for five months so it’s all I’ve known, but glad to hear everyone’s feedback.
The Lipo C does seem to give me extra energy, so maybe I’ll stick with it, but I agree diet is probably key. I’ve gone from 27% BF to 19% in these five months by going low carb, but adding in some carbs now that I’m on deca and trying to bulk a bit
@physioLojik, In your practice, if a patient’s RBC, hemoglobin or hematocrit is too high as a result of testosterone treatment, do you offer therapeutic phlebotomies, I’m curious because what my endocrinologist said (this was ages ago) was something along the lines of that if hematocrit is increasing, pharmacology is being created, therefore whatever one is taking isn’t physiologic/ maintaining homeostasis, therefore if hematocrit is too high either lower dose or go off. While there is a valid point to this argument, I’d counterargue that if one naturally has a TT of say 200ng/dl, then of course having a higher testosterone level (even in physiologic ranges) is going to increase RBC count, hematocrit etc, the kidneys contain androgen receptors too #erythropoiesesorhoweveritsspelled. Secondly as to going off, I disagree with this vehermontly, it’s not a healthy practice to crash someone down to damn near 0ng/dl instead of giving a phlebotomy. Curious to hear what your thoughts are, my hematocrit isn’t high… Unless I’m dehydrated.
Also I obviously don’t disagree with pharmacology being created because yeetyortyorpyfloopderp
Hey man! We def do phlebotomy on some of our patients!
I’ll be off cycle for the next 16 weeks (test at 300 a week). Next cycle will either be normal (600 mg t 600 mg eq) or 500 mg test 5 iu humalog 5iu growth. Thanks for following along guys!
Sorry tried to look on the thread but I don’t see much info as to why you prefer Tamoxifen to a more commonly used AI like Arimidex? Aren’t they both anti-estrogens?
The reason I ask is because I have a fairly easy going doctor, if I can articulate why I would want to change she will probably do it. Recently had my cholesterol checked and it is high, and my HDl was borderline low,I’ve heard Arimidex lowers HDL?
Ill say, your doc prescribes you NANDROLONE!!! Dammit I wish I could get a script for it, it’s so good for joint pain, recovery and makes me feel awesome when I take it!
Nope, aromatase inhibitors either bind to and kill the aromatase enzyme or block the effects of androgens converting to estrogens via competitive inhibition (this is the difference between suicidal and non suicidal AI’S I should note that suicidal AI’s are steroidal in structure while non steroidal ones aren’t, serms selectively bind to tissues sensitive to the effects of E2, like breast tissue and block the effects of estrogen in those specific tissues, but don’t decrease estrogen levels or its various other forms (estrone blablabla potato carrot spinach), in some cases SERMS may actually cause elevated estrogen levels on blood tests. AI’s lower HDL, some more than others estrogen is important for cholesterol management. AIs are also easy to tank ones estrogen with and cause a whole world of joint pain.
Also you bumped an 8 day old thread, physio should make an “ask physiolojik questions thread” I’d be all over that thread, so many QUESTIONZZZZZ, shadowpro has a thread, not sure who he is but he seems very knowledgeable on bodybuilding and experienced with PED’s therefore I’d assume he was or is a professional bodybuilder
Ha I’m totally down if they ask me
So you think I should tell my doctor that:
-somewhat concerned about cholesterol
-on nandrolone for joint pain, don’t want an AInto interfere with that
Anything else, am I on the right track?
Well…somebody ask him already!
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I’ll ask him.
Hey @physioLojik can you create an ask physiolojik questions thread so I can annoy you with questions about random stuff, maybe I’ll post a question about spinach! (Just kidding only legitimate questions)
So there’s this gigantic cabbage, what do you think of it?
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Done.
Probably better served for the new thread, but while you are active @physioLojik, something @NH_Watts asked I was also curious about -
"if I can expect the same benefits from tamoxifen as I have gotten from anastrozole”
Any info/insight is appreciated. Thanks again for sharing, I love reading your posts.
@NH_Watts @bcostigan41 that’s a tough question. It depends what benefits you’re talking about. I don’t find arimidex beneficial for really anyone. Lower HDL, higher LDL, messing up your coagulate cascade, messing up your bone density and fucking up serotonin production as well. In extreme cases in very low dosages it can be beneficial but that’s in very overweight men or people with faulty livers. Tamoxifen is great at low dosages. Blocking at estrogen sites yet acting as an active estrogen in other tissues where it is beneficial. Lipid positive. Libido positive. Bone positive. Immune system positive. I like it.
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