43 years old, 5/11, 198lbs, 14% bodyfat currently. I lift weights and practice jui jitsu, wrestling and kickboxing (mma). I have been cycling for four years, and have already run the following compounds without incident:
test, sust, eq/bold, mast, anavar, tbol, dbol, winstrol, anadrol, halo (too hard on liver ime), superdrol (too hard on liver ime)
I’m proposing running the cycle noted below and am open to feedback. My goals are strength, recovery, and recomposition, and to be honest, aesthetics.
I know that Tren + EQ is not a popular combination, but after a lot of experimentation, I really like EQ for the lack of water retention and cardio boost from RBC count increase, and I really want to try Tren before I get too old and the risk / reward goes out of balance. The ratio of test to EQ noted below is the best combination I have found after some trial and error. I am also aware of the risk that Tren has on stamina / endurance, but willing to try it out.
1-16 - Test cyp 300 mg
1-16 - EQ und 600 mg
4-12 - Tren ace 175mg (daily injections of 25mg)
12-16 - Winstrol 50mg per day
I don’t reccomend tren/these doses in general but I commend you for using a reasonable dosage
By chance do you have any pics of you’re physique, people who vigorously practice martial arts tend to have this dense, wiry look (different depending on body type) but I imagine such a look would be interesting to have on AAS
Tren at 43 is risky btw, but if you’re educated, are aware of the risks all AAS entsil then go for it. I will say this though
A tren/winny combo is a lightning rod for premature onset heart disease (in fact, winny or tren alone are too)… winny is by far the worse contender in terms of inducing plaque build up
EQ and Tren could potentially be a perfect combination. The RBC increase from EQ could offset the cardio impact Tren has and also the appetite increase you get from EQ could offset the appetite loss from Tren.
Not sure if your dose would be too low but its best to start low and then increase IF NEEDED with tren (or any AAS).
yea that’s I don’t think that’s 14% either , closer to 10-11% looking good pal . Started out at 35 mgs a day , then mostly 50 mgs but went up to 70 mg tren ace a day along with 180 mgs test e week , and 75 mgs proviron day last two weeks of an 8 week cycle , strength and vascularity were thru out. make sure u take , b6 400-600mgs day , vitamin c buffer , 1 Prilosec daily , fish oil , dhea 50 mg day ,
those doses of tren your not going to see too much honestly , if ur gonna run it , run it at 40mgs a day in my opinion for you then go up if u feel u can .
I’m aware of the general risks that virtually all AAS pose, such as negative effect on lipid profile and blood pressure etc, but I guess I’m less versed on the acute risks of the aforementioned compounds (winstrol and Tren).
Would you be so kind as to expand on your previous comment related to risk? I really appreciate the input.
Sorry all for the confusion related to the picture! That was taken about 3 weeks after my last TEST/EQ/MAST cycle ended, which was just before Thanksgiving. In the last 7 weeks between all of the holiday parties and running PCT, I’ve managed NOT to gain any weight, but my composition has changed a bit and I’ve put on a bit of bodyfat.
Lipids and blood pressure are nothing in the grand scheme of things. The morphological alterations that occur regarding the heart, potentially permanent neurological alterations etc are amongst the most concerning risks associated with AAS (cardiac predisposing one to sudden death at young ages and neurological alterations inducing impulsivity, mood, cognitive functioning and decision making), risks regarding kidney functioning, fertility etc are also present. At you’re age the prospect of increased prostate cancer risk factors also come to possibility. Acutely, winny appears to destabalize collagen/connective tissue more than others, predisposing the user to musculoskeletal injury. If you partake in an intensive sport highly anaerobic in nature I’d recommend against using winny… and you do… so…
With tren the risks acutely are respiratory (appears to effect cardiorespiratory fitness, in which case no amount of EQ induced RBC Increase will help), neurological, endocrine. BP can be risky acutely if a hypertensive crisis develops.
Tren depletes dopamine and serotonin reserves rapidly. Both are vital within relation to neurological homeostasis, a myriad of bodily functions (indirectly), emotional regulation etc. The reason as to why tren fucks up cardiovascular fitness isn’t entirely known, but if EQ was able to counteract such an effect… so would tren as both increase RBC count. Endocrine wise tren, amongst other AAS have the potential to fuck up you’re glucose tolerance or induce a treatment emergent type 2 diabeties. Unmanaged diabeties is incredibly unsafe to be walking around with
First off, thanks very much for taking the time to respond.
I hear you that AAS have a number of effect on the body, hormonal systems, and brain etc. and you make a good point about the winstrol and joints/injury.
Just playing devils advocate for a moment though, isn’t this the case with many drugs? I guess from my limited perspective, I don’t see a lot of situation where (for example) tren usage leads to specific negative health outcomes , such as early onset heart disease. Meanwhile, again from a limited vantage point, all levels of bodybuilders all the way down to average gym bros take it (tons of people), and I just don’t hear those stories about people dropping dead of a heart attacks etc. I’m sure a tiny fraction of people with a genetic predisposition to heart problems do in fact drop dead, but you would think we would hear more cautionary tales.
An odd but fair analogy would be a recreational drug like cocaine (which also affects dopamine, heart health ,etc etc) - while it CAN cause you to drop dead the first time you use it (this happened to a cousin of mine with a pre existing hear condition), 999 out of 1000 people can use it for periods of time without serious health outcomes. Of course it will reek havoc on your family, social life, career, and bank account, but strictly from a health perspective, for most people, it doesnt kill you or leave you with lasting health effects.
I guess I’m still trying to better understand the risk. If its just a matter of the 1 in 1000, I’m willing to roll the dice. If its more complex than that, I may do more reading. I do have a good family history of NO heart disease, and do regular cardio if that helps!
Yes you do, and I can link about 100 case reports of guys 18-25 dealing with heart attacks, heart transplants or dropping dead suddenly due to AAS use without any prior genetic predisposition or familial history in relation to cardiovascular disease. Furthermore many, MANY bodybuilders (ifbb pro and amateur) have died aged 20-40 from primarily cardiac related ailment. Many drugs induce these issues in terms of PEDs, but tren is far more potent in terms of inducing these issues then say test, winny probably comes second
It’s not common with regular PED use… but with something like tren it does become too common for my comfort. I can also link numerous studies that indicate just about every single long term AAS user develops cardiac pathology/dysfunction, sometimes boardering criteria for diagnosis of heart failure and/or serious cardiac dysfunction
Tren is more likely to lead to negative outcomes due to the sheer potency of the product. 100mg on paper is equatable to 500mg test, and given the insane results tren gives… this appears to hold true to reality
Yes, but a single dose of coke only lasts about half an hour (if that), AAS is in you’re system 24/7, inducing oxidive stress, systemic toxicity for a prolonged period of time
Have you used coke before (just curious)… I’ve been offered it at least ten times (by numerous people, some who I’m friendly with) on holiday here, I’ve always said no (and will continue to say no as I don’t want to try cocaine… I’ll try/have tried other things but cocaine isn’t one of them and probably never will be)… but the curiosity does linger haha. Have also been offered it quite a few times back home, also never accepted
Wouldn’t use, and certainly wouldn’t combine with alcohol (cocaethylene is sooooo toxic).
You’re very naive. Google Narcotics Anonymous and go to a meeting. There’s many there that suffer from physical ailments from cocaine and every other drug. I personally know two people who’s entire nasal cavity collapsed. The inside of their noses are a hollow hole. That’s just the immediate physical effects. Down the road who knows what issues they’ll have. These are folks that are extremely wealthy and very successful in every other aspect of life. YOU don’t see the effects because you don’t know any better. I’m not knocking you I’m just letting you know reality is far worse than what you think.
Actually I know a few who have used cocaine 1-2x yearly for many years and are totally fine… but these appear to be the exception to the norm. It’s certainly not 999 out of 1000 who end up scot free.
Cocaine is pretty far down the rabbit hole in terms of recreational drug use; which is why I’m so shocked that many appear to think of it so callously/casually. In my opinion the only thing riskier to mess with is opiate pain medication (not in terms of physical harm… but addiction potential and overall destruction it can induce)… and crack cocaine, that’s one step above I assume due to the more rapid absorption of the compound and higher Cmax, giving it a more favourable abuse profile
I’m not sure where methamphetamine would go, probably within the same realm of cocaine/crack cocaine?
I reckon if many knew the severity of the risks associated with cocaine use (particularly the cardiac effects, the chance of arrhythmia when combined with booze) they wouldn’t take it. There are many, many substances one can use for recreation… none of them are good for you… but cocaine is arguably the worst in terms of acute and chronic toxicity
As an active member of a 12 step program with over eleven years without a drink or drug, ironically, I’m quite informed on the topic. When I finally got sober, I worked and lived in a sober living community for over two years, working and counseling on the front lines. This was after a 10+ year battle with the disease in and out of jails, methadone clinics, etc. I’ve sponsored about 40 men in the program, and spoken with or heard the stories of literally hundreds of individuals.
Unlike heroin, which leaves a very significant percentage of users with lasting health consequences, (hepatitis, etc), anecdotally the vast majority of the hundreds of recreational cocaine users I have come into contact SEEM to have no lasting health effects. This includes myself, as I had extensive heart testing (ekg, stress test, and echocardiogram) done before one of my fights as I was older than 40. Can cocaine rot your nose out and cause heart damage, absolutely. But the truth is that most people run out of money, grow up, or react to the almost immediate negative consequences before that happens. Or at least that has been my personal experience with cocaine users.
I think this is a case where @unreal24278 is doing a bit of fear mongering. @tb40 I’m not saying he is wrong in the info hes providing you because he is 100% correct. He has listed all the POTENTIAL me Gato effects tren can have on you.
But in reality people use tren all the time and are fine. And Fwiw per the early comparison people use cocaine all the time and are fine. Obviously as unreal has stated they come with risk. And this risk is increased the more frequently the drug is used and the higher the doses the drug is used. Can someone die or develop a life threatening complication from using tren one time absolutely but the chances are slim. Its more likely that you could run into ED issues (especially at your age) or exasperate an underlying mental illness or perhaps even develop a new one.
Using tren is a calculated risk just like any other decision we make to do something that has potential negative consequences. With that being said I don’t think your physique warrants the usage of tren and to be completely honest I think your lacking severely in either training or diet to have used all the drugs you have listed over the span of 4 years and look the way you do.
@unreal24278 don’t take my comment personally or as a shot at you. As I stated I agree with everything your saying but I believe the context the info is being delivered In is misleading. I could be wrong in interpreting it that way if so I apologize.
