Hey guys,I’m new to the site but not new to the steroid community. I was looking for some critiques on my next cycle. First here’s a little background.
1st cycle:
1-10 test e @500mg/wk
1-4 dbol @30mg/wk
2nd cycle:
1-10 test e @500mg/wk
1-8 tren e @400mg/wk
1-4 dbol @30mg/wk
Age: 23
Weight: 190lbs
BF: 7-8%
Training: 4yrs
If I forgot anything please let me know. Now for what I’m looking at.
1-4 dbol @30mg/wk
1-8 sust @500mg/wk
1-7 mast e @400mg/wk
3-6 hcg @500iu/wk
Post
1-4 Nolvadex @40 40 20 20
Clomid needed?
This wil be a lean cycle. Looking for 10 or so very lean pounds. I gain very easily with test. The hcg dosing is what I’ve “heard” to be the best but if anyone has experience with it I’m all ears. My diet is fat:20% protein: 45% and carbs: 35% consisting of about 3800-4000 cals.
Any advice is more than welcomed. Thanks guys.
I think you should run hCG for weeks 7 and 8 as well. I would actually run it during the clearing time as well, and stop it 4 days before beginning PCT, but I’m not sure what others would recommend.
250iu E3D for the hcg
For sustanon to yield steady levels, you should inject EOD, and I don’t know why you would stop the mast at week 7. If it is mast enanthate 7 weeks is a little short, so I would frontload it, but mast isn’t like tren. It will be fine to end that at the same time as the sustanon, especially since sustanon has testosterone deconate so you will need to wait about 3 weeks after the last injection anyway.
I dont know if its a typo or not but 30mg Dbol A WEEK? Do you mean a day?
Use the hCG for at least 2 weeks after the last sust jab, you will still have suppressive levels of exogenous testosterone floating around which will quickly cause you to atrophy again.
No AI?
Thank you guys for the responses. Sorry that was a typo it is suppose to be 30mg dbol a day. Bigskwatta, what dose would you recommend for a front load and sounds good I will run it as long as the sus. I just wasn’t sure if it had the same principles as tren or deca or other additions.
The sust will be every other day for stable blood concentrations
I have aromisin, but usually use it only if I start to experience gyno symptoms or too much water retention. I have heard a decent amount of negative things of long term use and constant suppression of estrogen
Plus in my personal experience it kills my sex drive ie. low estrogen.
if you guys have any recommendations of other AI’s or a nice dosing scheme for the aromisin Id like to know.
Now the hcg. So what I’m looking at is wks 3-10 (a week before post) and dose it at 250iu every three days . Correct? Also I’m my post is clomid nessesary or should I throw in something else? I really want to nail my post this cycle and come out as best as possible.
Thanks again for all the help
Thank you guys for the responses. Sorry that was a typo it is suppose to be 30mg dbol a day. Bigskwatta, what dose would you recommend for a front load and sounds good I will run it as long as the sus. I just wasn’t sure if it had the same principles as tren or deca or other additions.
The sust will be every other day for stable blood concentrations
I have aromisin, but usually use it only if I start to experience gyno symptoms or too much water retention. I have heard a decent amount of negative things of long term use and constant suppression of estrogen
Plus in my personal experience it kills my sex drive ie. low estrogen.
if you guys have any recommendations of other AI’s or a nice dosing scheme for the aromisin Id like to know.
Now the hcg. So what I’m looking at is wks 3-10 (a week before post) and dose it at 250iu every three days . Correct? Also I’m my post is clomid nessesary or should I throw in something else? I really want to nail my post this cycle and come out as best as possible.
Thanks again for all the help
What are these negative things you have heard of oestrogen suppression? Other then the fact that high oestrogen will cause gyno, water retention, fuck up your recovery and suppress you even further I am curious why you would not want to control oestrogen levels.
If it kills your sex drive then you are obviously using too much. I have no experience with Aromasin, I use anastrazole (adex) at .25mg EOD and that seems to keep my oestrogen in check.
Clomid can help with your PCT especially if you shut down fairly hard post-cycle. Although it does have some annoying sides I believe it has some properties Nolva does not (primarily stimulating LH secretion at the pituitary level).
SB
[quote]Deadlift9 wrote:
Thank you guys for the responses. Sorry that was a typo it is suppose to be 30mg dbol a day. Bigskwatta, what dose would you recommend for a front load and sounds good I will run it as long as the sus. I just wasn’t sure if it had the same principles as tren or deca or other additions.
The sust will be every other day for stable blood concentrations
I have aromisin, but usually use it only if I start to experience gyno symptoms or too much water retention. I have heard a decent amount of negative things of long term use and constant suppression of estrogen
Plus in my personal experience it kills my sex drive ie. low estrogen.
if you guys have any recommendations of other AI’s or a nice dosing scheme for the aromisin Id like to know.
Now the hcg. So what I’m looking at is wks 3-10 (a week before post) and dose it at 250iu every three days . Correct? Also I’m my post is clomid nessesary or should I throw in something else? I really want to nail my post this cycle and come out as best as possible.
Thanks again for all the help[/quote]
Liquid aromasin? Or tabs?
[quote]BigSkwatta wrote:
[quote]Deadlift9 wrote:
Thank you guys for the responses. Sorry that was a typo it is suppose to be 30mg dbol a day. Bigskwatta, what dose would you recommend for a front load and sounds good I will run it as long as the sus. I just wasn’t sure if it had the same principles as tren or deca or other additions.
The sust will be every other day for stable blood concentrations
I have aromisin, but usually use it only if I start to experience gyno symptoms or too much water retention. I have heard a decent amount of negative things of long term use and constant suppression of estrogen
Plus in my personal experience it kills my sex drive ie. low estrogen.
if you guys have any recommendations of other AI’s or a nice dosing scheme for the aromisin Id like to know.
Now the hcg. So what I’m looking at is wks 3-10 (a week before post) and dose it at 250iu every three days . Correct? Also I’m my post is clomid nessesary or should I throw in something else? I really want to nail my post this cycle and come out as best as possible.
Thanks again for all the help[/quote]
Liquid aromasin? Or tabs?
12.5mg ED is a normal dose. I would start lower, and work up as needed.
EDIT: For the front load I usually just triple my first injection. So assuming you plan to do 200mg twice a week for your 400mg per week total, take 600mg the first day, then just continue like normal. There is a formula on here somewhere, but I have done that same principle several times now and it seems to work well for me.
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I am not saying there is not a need to control estrogen levels, trust me i know the sides of it and am very aware. I am simply getting at the Aromasin (liquid) is too strong for me. Some of those side effects of low estrogen; low libido, ache joints, loss of strength, etc.
Aromasin lower body estrogen on average 85% by blocking the aromatase enzyme and damaging it. I am also very sensitive to it. Not the best of combos with prolonged usage. I will probably give Adex a whirl. I know it isnt as strong as the Aromasin which would be benificial to me.
As for the clomid stimulating LH secretion at the pituitary level. I know HCG binds to receptors on human Leydig cells so this would be “Artificially” stimulating secretion of luteinizing hormone in the testies but wouldn’t this be about the same as on the pituitary level?
So far this is what ive got.
wk 1-4 dbol @30mg/day
wk 1-8 sust @500mg/wk
wk 1-7 mast e @400mg/wk (600mg frontload on fist pin)
wk 3-11 hcg @500iu/wk
wk 1-12 Adex @.25mg EOD …?
Post
12-16 Nolvadex @40 40 20 20
Looks okay, I would run the mast through week 8 though, and if you wanted you could extend both to 10 weeks.
And I doubt you will need to, but if you do you can adjust the adex dosage as needed during the cycle.