[quote]TheCB wrote:
while much of what you say is possible in theory, i believe that in reality so many cataclysmic events would need to occur for there to be this dystopian future in store for us all that it’s not worth worrying about to this degree.[/quote]
[quote]TheCB wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Sorry to paint a dismal picture, but that’s how I see the world. Do I really sound like a nut job?
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thanks for such a well thought out response.
while much of what you say is possible in theory, i believe that in reality so many cataclysmic events would need to occur for there to be this dystopian future in store for us all that it’s not worth worrying about to this degree.
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It’s not “theory”, it’s MATH. This is straight from the CBO. You’ve got it backwards: it doesn’t take many “cataclysmic events” to cause a stock market crash, all it takes is a trigger - all of the conditions are already present. The CRASH will trigger the “cataclysmic events”…
You’re the one talking cataclysmic events, I’m talking massive inflation, high crime, widespread government/police corruption, martial law and loss of “fiat wealth”. Hardly “cataclysmic”, but definitely has to potential to ruin your day.
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just as a quick example, where are the signs of a genuinely significant terrorist event ever happening in the West ie killing multiple millions in one fell swoop?
[/quote]I never claimed there would be, I passively mentioned that a terrorist attack could trigger martial law. There are roughly 1.5 billion muslims on the planet. Half of them are radicalized…
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or of a pandemic of a disease for example actually occurring? [/quote]Again, I only mentioned that in passing. However, since you brought it up, Obama is bringing Ebola to the US. If you look at history, MOST Malthusian style population die offs have been from disease.[quote]
as for the american/global economy collapsing in ways which humanity has never experienced, [/quote]We DID experience it in the Great Depression[quote]it is possible but global economics is so complex and in flux that who can predict what will happen next week. [/quote]I didn’t make any predictions about next week. [quote] the global oil price has fallen due to the whims of the saudi government posturing. what economist predicted this 6 months ago? as far as im aware literally zero not even one lol!
[/quote]The issues I brought up were our national debt and liabilities - I mentioned the price of oil in passing. If you think our economy is hunky dory, that’s your right. But don’t dismiss what I took the time to write with a half assed paragraph saying “saudi posturing” is what is affecting the price of oil (as opposed to something economically sound based on supply and demand), when 99% of what I wrote was not about that.[quote]
i do find your posts very entertaining and thought provoking.[/quote]
You asked a question which I answered and you flippantly dismissed what I wrote with no logic, links or coherent argument.
Here’s some more food for thought:
Why do local police need all those guns?
Why does Maryland direct it’s police department to target and arrest out of state gun owners? Why are the rights of normal law abiding citizens being violated EVERY SINGLE DAY with no repercussions to the police departments that systematically trample on the Constitution?
But now that people are shooting at them, they start to listen. Funny how that works. But I’ll BET it’s not the law abiding citizens that they continue to harass that are doing the shooting and making the threats…
If these cops treat us this way during NORMAL times, how do you expect to be treated if martial law were ever declared?
How much would the dollar have to be devalued to cause complete chaos in our society?
Hell, if they raised the gas prices to 10/per gallon over night there would be complete chaos. They can lower the prices on a whim, for whatever reason, they sure as hell can increase the prices.
AC - i didn’t flippantly dismiss what you are saying.
I’m not arguing the global economy is not fucked up: but to extrapolate from that that we are moments away from a 1930s Great Depression or worse is a GIANT leap to make. Global economics is far more complex than you are making out (no, I am not trying to be condescending/passing myself off as some financial whizz).
i mentioned the price of oil as an example of how complex this stuff is. the reason for the dramatic fall in the value of oil is the saudis have chosen not to cut their supply and stabilise prices. we could go into reasons/theories why but that’s not a necessary tangent for this discussion. what it illustrates in my view is that ESPECIALLY if taking a very particular position such as we are standing on the cusp of an apocalyptic financial meltdown: economists never correctly predict a fucking thing! who was saying this would happen to the oil price 6 months ago? no one! and now this unexpected fall in the value of oil could have significant medium term benefits to much of the West.
Furthermore your following point about terror “there are 1.5bn muslims and half of those are radicalised.”
LOL what does that even mean??? there are 750m deadly muslim terrorists out there?
if that were true why havent they committed a single major terrorist atrocity anywhere in the West that has killed 100,000 or multiple millions in the last 15-20 years?
“Obama is bringing Ebola to the US” - LOL again come on man. do you REALLY believe that? or that ebola is going to EVER claim the lives of 1m 10m or 100m Americans? after all we are talking doomsday “Malthusian” shit here. it will never fucking happen!
it is you who is being flippant with statements like obama is bringing ebola and 750 muslims are radicalised when discussing your Doomsday for humanity scenarios.
Regarding the police/Maryland you clearly have entrenched hatred and paranoia for them and it sounds like with good reason. However surely you can see your experiences are at the very extreme end of the spectrum and the VAST VAST majority of society never has any of these comparable issues with the law.
My only actual disagreement with what you say is the use of phrases like “canary in the coal mine” and “the frog doesnt know the water is nearly boiling.”
It sounds dramatic on an internet forum and appears 99/100 likely to happen when i reality its more like 1/10000 being generous
[quote]TheCB wrote:
Furthermore your following point about terror “there are 1.5bn muslims and half of those are radicalised.”
LOL what does that even mean??? there are 750m deadly muslim terrorists out there?
if that were true why havent they committed a single major terrorist atrocity anywhere in the West that has killed 100,000 or multiple millions in the last 15-20 years?
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I should probably just let AC respond but I’ve got to at least respond to this one.
Do you really not understand there are MILLIONS of muslims who, if presented the opportunity, wouldn’t hesitate to kill every American and Jew on the planet? Those people (using the term loosely) just haven’t had the opportunity. Once they achieve the means they will commit mass murder.
[quote]on edge wrote:
Do you really not understand there are MILLIONS of muslims who, if presented the opportunity, wouldn’t hesitate to kill every American and Jew on the planet? Those people (using the term loosely) just haven’t had the opportunity. Once they achieve the means they will commit mass murder.
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this is just such a load of bullshit lol.
wtf are you basing any of this on?
why hasnt it happened then? in 15-20 years NOT ONE NOT FUCKING ONE “Malthusian” terrorist event has occurred despite there apparently being hundreds and hundreds of millions of “radicalised” pyscho muslim killing machines waiting to eat american babies.
either it’s being exaggerated or they are completely incapable of actually doing anything. remember we have been discussing events where there are multiple millions of casualties, not a train bomb ot something which only kills a few hundred. even then, look how fucking rare those events are.
but apparently there are MILLIONS of these animals just waiting to “kill every American and Jew on the planet.”
… yet they’ve barely done a single fucking thing in 20 years. scary!!!
I don’t have a basis for this other than what I read, so just my opinion, but I think that the price of oil is so low right now to cripple Putin. There Ruble (sp?) is something like 70:1 to the US dollar, and oil is their primary export, so dropping the price of oil directly hurts the Russian economy and prevents further Russian aggression/armament (France still hasn’t delivered either Mistral ships).
[quote]TheCB wrote:
AC - i didn’t flippantly dismiss what you are saying.
[/quote]No, actually you did[quote]
I’m not arguing the global economy is not fucked up: but to extrapolate from that that we are moments away from a 1930s Great Depression or worse is a GIANT leap to make. Global economics is far more complex than you are making out (no, I am not trying to be condescending/passing myself off as some financial whizz).
[/quote]No, but you are putting words in my mouth and not paying attention to the substance of what I write. I never said ANYTHING about being “a moment away”, nor have I spent any great time writing about the GLOBAL economy. And if you pay attention to various financial indicators (primarily the ratio of GDP to debt) you’ll see that the conditions ARE similar. It’s fine that you don’t want to hear what I’m saying, but please, if you are going to argue that my points are not accurate, at lease do me the courtesy of citing a reference or making a well thought out argument.[quote]
i mentioned the price of oil as an example of how complex this stuff is. the reason for the dramatic fall in the value of oil is the saudis have chosen not to cut their supply and stabilise prices. we could go into reasons/theories why but that’s not a necessary tangent for this discussion. what it illustrates in my view is that ESPECIALLY if taking a very particular position such as we are standing on the cusp of an apocalyptic financial meltdown: economists never correctly predict a fucking thing! who was saying this would happen to the oil price 6 months ago? no one! and now this unexpected fall in the value of oil could have significant medium term benefits to much of the West.
[/quote]Not sure why you are focusing on the price of oil. I merely mentioned it in passing.[quote]
Furthermore your following point about terror “there are 1.5bn muslims and half of those are radicalised.”
LOL what does that even mean??? there are 750m deadly muslim terrorists out there?
[/quote] Did you WATCH the reference I posted? It doesn’t seem like you did, or else you wouldn’t be asking that question. That’s why we post REFERENCES over here in PWI: to back up what we are saying. I never said there were 750mm TERRORISTS, I said there were ~1.5 billion muslims, half of whom are RADICALIZED. That means that they hold RADICAL beliefs such as wanting everyone to live under sharia law, or that sometimes honor killing of women is justified, or that sometimes terrorism is justified - you know, CRAZY beliefs. They are the financial, moral and religious support FOR the terrorists, even though they do not actually have the balls to blow shit up themselves. But if they saw an American or a Jew on the side of the road, they would probably swerve to run them over if they thought they could get away with it.[quote]
if that were true why havent they committed a single major terrorist atrocity anywhere in the West that has killed 100,000 or multiple millions in the last 15-20 years?[/quote]See above[quote]
“Obama is bringing Ebola to the US” - LOL again come on man. do you REALLY believe that? [/quote] UUhhh, do you watch the news? Because Obama DID bring people with ebola into the US. And the virus DID spread to hospital workers. [quote] or that ebola is going to EVER claim the lives of 1m 10m or 100m Americans? [/quote]I never said it WOULD, nice strawman [quote]after all we are talking doomsday “Malthusian” shit here. it will never fucking happen![/quote] I NEVER SAID IT WOULD. My assertion is that it COULD be used as a pretext for MARTIAL LAW. Stop putting words in my mouth and READ what I actually WROTE, not what you want to hear and assume.[quote]
it is you who is being flippant with statements like obama is bringing ebola and 750 muslims are radicalised when discussing your Doomsday for humanity scenarios.[/quote]See above. I have NEVER said anything about a “Doomsday” scenario. What the fuck are you talking about. I have only spoken about martial law and economic collapse - Neither of these events are “doomsday”. They have occurred many times throughout history and people have survived them (albeit uncomfortably)[quote]
Regarding the police/Maryland you clearly have entrenched hatred and paranoia[/quote]Wrong. My cousin is Baltimore city police and I’m friends with several other officers.[quote] for them and it sounds like with good reason. However surely you can see your experiences are at the very extreme end of the spectrum and the VAST VAST majority of society never has any of these comparable issues with the law. [/quote] And THAT makes it OK, right? Let’s say that only 2% of the population ever get’s mistreated or abused by the police - That’s still over six million people. Is that acceptable to you? It isn’t to me.[quote]
My only actual disagreement with what you say is the use of phrases like “canary in the coal mine” and “the frog doesnt know the water is nearly boiling.”
[/quote]So you don’t disagree with all of the FACTS I wrote up there about the state of the American economy (even though you haven’t given me the courtesy of even ACKNOWLEDGING any of the points, references and positions that I took the time to write based on a question that YOU asked), you only disagree with my use of a two common turns of phrase… Gotcha [quote]
It sounds dramatic on an internet forum and appears 99/100 likely to happen when i reality its more like 1/10000 being generous
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You are the one talking about percentages and saying things like “next week” and “doomsday” and blowing up things that I mentioned in PASSING while ignoring the meat and potatoes of my original post.
So let me ask you a direct question: How comfortable does it make you feel that the United States is 18 TRILLION dollars in debt with 71 TRILLION dollars in unfunded liabilities? Does that make you feel CONFIDENT in our banking/financial system? Or does it make you feel pessimistic about our banking/financial system?
Do you even comprehend what it means?
If you don’t, that’s fine, just let me know and I’ll post links that will educate you. But I assure you it’s not something that you “just shouldn’t worry about”.
Final question: how old are you?
[quote]TheCB wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
Do you really not understand there are MILLIONS of muslims who, if presented the opportunity, wouldn’t hesitate to kill every American and Jew on the planet? Those people (using the term loosely) just haven’t had the opportunity. Once they achieve the means they will commit mass murder.
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this is just such a load of bullshit lol.
wtf are you basing any of this on?
why hasnt it happened then? in 15-20 years NOT ONE NOT FUCKING ONE “Malthusian” terrorist event has occurred despite there apparently being hundreds and hundreds of millions of “radicalised” pyscho muslim killing machines waiting to eat american babies.
either it’s being exaggerated or they are completely incapable of actually doing anything. remember we have been discussing events where there are multiple millions of casualties, not a train bomb ot something which only kills a few hundred.[/quote]NO, son, YOU are the one who keeps bringing up multiple millions of casualties…[quote] even then, look how fucking rare those events are.
but apparently there are MILLIONS of these animals just waiting to “kill every American and Jew on the planet.”
… yet they’ve barely done a single fucking thing in 20 years. scary!!!
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If you call the attacks of September 11, 2001 “barely a single fucking thing”, then I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe you were in diapers when it happened or didn’t know anyone who actually died. Here is a link containing all of the major islamic terrorist attacks since 1980.
But that’s “barely anything” right? You should show some fucking respect for the innocent people who were killed by these animals.
I am 30.
I understand your points, I clearly state in my responses that I largely agree with many of your concerns, particularly regarding the American and global economy. It’s just my opinion that you are massively overstating the likelihood of a catastrophic event financial or otherwise actually occurring.
As I stated in my original post, I am basing my opinions on what I consider to be your irrational and extreme fear on both this and the Survivalist thread. It is fair to say you do consider economic collapse/pandemics/martial law/terrorism to be “moments away” by saying things such as “the canary is in the mine” / “the water is boiling” and by having invested such an extreme amount of time/effort/money into safeguarding your house/car/shed/electricity supply etc as outlined in the other thread.
The video about the Muslims you posted is completely laughable. So half of Indonesia wants to live under Sharia Law? SO FUCKING WHAT?!?! LOL
from some survey asking muslims “would you like countries to live under Sharia Law?” you have taken the response to essentially mean TENS OF MILLIONS of indonesians want to come and kill every American and turn America into a Muslim country. That is what you are implying by going on about these HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of “radicalised” muslims who would “swerve to run people over” if they could get away with it. LOL you are a smart guy read this stuff back to yourself you cant be serious.
regarding the oil, I am mentioning it in order to show you how volatile the global economy can be. you are saying america is totally fucked and i am saying the COMPLETELY unpredicted and dramatic fall in global oil prices is an example of how the american economy can be positively impacted by events which you i and nobody else can forsee. as such yes there is alot to be worried about but IN REALITY all various terrible scenarios economic/terror/disease/etc are NOT likely to occur.
I don’t really know why this has dissolved into a pissing contest. I think i just dont like pessimism being dressed up as realism. I can easily fall into the kind of attitude you have to various world events/situations as it makes me feel “in the know” or whatever about how the world works. the truth is we will all be fine martial law is not going to be coming to the US in your lifetime and neither will a Biblical plague or 30m indonesians driving around looking to run over Americans.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
But that’s “barely anything” right? You should show some fucking respect for the innocent people who were killed by these animals.[/quote]
dont be so weak as to play this kind of emotional card.
my point is clearly that if there are MILLIONS of muslims who actively want to murder Americans why is the number of casualties so low?
honestly, please answer the question.
There are only a limited number of answers:
none of these fit your narrative because you would never want to admit number 3 due to your hatred of Obama/the Govt. if it’s number 2 who gives a shit.
if its number 1 then yes there is a real danger but that is life and it can never be fully stopped be it religious nuts or random kids shooting up schools.
either way we have gone from 750m “radicalised muslims” to MILLIONS of people who would run you over dead at any opportunity.
to the reality.
this can be applied to your views on economics/the police/disease too: a kernel of truth growing into typical totally disproportionate hyperbolic forum posts masquerading as some kind of special insight.
#2 They want to but are not capable.
You should give a shit because one day that might change.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
In 2012, our dear leader signed another executive order, the National Defense Resources Preparedness Executive Order 13603. It was to “update” an existing executive order from the '50’s from the Truman administration granting the executive branch control over private businesses, resources, raw materials etc… for “national defense purposes”. The Truman law ALSO gave the executive branch power to impose wage and price controls, settle labor disputes, control consumer and real estate credit, and establish “contractual priorities”. It was generally understood that this would be done in an extreme need and most likely accompanied by Martial Law (which I’ll touch on later). But our dear leader changed a few things: Obama added, under section 203(b) the phrase, “under both emergency and non-emergency conditions” and in section 102, “in peacetime and in times of war”.
Yes, ladies and gents, he has a pen, and he’s not afraid to use it.[/quote]
When do you think Obama will unleash his evil plans in the next year and a half or so?
Or do you think it’s just a set-up for another Democrat President?
Or maybe Obama is setting things up for the Illuminati to go on with their master plan?
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Our unsound fiscal policy and fiat currency ultimately led to the financial crash several years ago that was “averted” (and by “averted”, I mean “delayed and magnified”) by literally printing trillions of dollars. I mean, it’s just like that song, “money for nothin and your chicks for free”. Does ANYONE of sound mind believe that to be stable or sustainable? Instead of allowing banks to FAIL and go through some short term pain, we socialized the banks, incurred TRILLIONS of dollars of debt and now the market is BOOMING again, and the price of oil is DOWN, baby! YEEE HAAA, right? LMAO[/quote]
Blame the “too big to fail” crowd of 2008-2010.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
And how will TODAY’S generation handle it? Do they even have a SHRED of the testicular fortitude that our great grandparents who grew potatoes in the back yard to survive the Great Depression had? FUCK NO… They’ll want the government to fix it. But what will they do when the government CAN’T? Which brings us back to civil unrest and martial law.[/quote]
Emotive garbage. People deal with things.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Now pretend for a minute that the US got kicked in the economic nuts and is staggering under the weight of it’s spoiled and petulant population… What is the likelihood that the other sharks in the tank will start to take bites at us? It’ll be a god damned feeding frenzy that would most likely culminate in an attack on our country while we are down and the destruction of our way of life as we know it.[/quote]
If the U.S. goes down, the entire world economy goes down along with it. More emotive garbage.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Does anyone trust our government to deal with this in a responsible way?[/quote]
Do you believe that the government is run by the Illuminati or some similar organization?
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Sorry to paint a dismal picture, but that’s how I see the world. Do I really sound like a nut job?[/quote]
I want to say you do, but given that we both see the world as we want to see it, that would mean admitting that I sound like a nut job too.
Which… I honestly don’t mind. So, yes, you sound like a nut job.
Did you decide whether to stay at your farm or your home in case shit hits the fan?
[quote]TheCB wrote:
I am 30.
I understand your points, I clearly state in my responses that I largely agree with many of your concerns, particularly regarding the American and global economy. It’s just my opinion that you are massively overstating the likelihood of a catastrophic event financial or otherwise actually occurring.
[/quote]I have not “massively overstated” ANYTHING. I am using current, accurate, publicly available numbers that I did not inflate in any way shape or form. I have linked to REFERENCES to these numbers. Please SHOW ME where I’ve given ANY prediction or likelihood or timeline for a catastrophic event.[quote]
As I stated in my original post, I am basing my opinions on what I consider to be your irrational and extreme fear on both this and the Survivalist thread. It is fair to say you do consider economic collapse/pandemics/martial law/terrorism to be “moments away” by saying things such as “the canary is in the mine” / “the water is boiling” [/quote]NEITHER of those turns of phrase indicate TIME. “the canary in the coal mine” indicates a CONDITION THAT EXISTS THAT IS UNSAFE. The analogy about the frog boiling is one that indicates that our civil rights are being whittled away SLOWLY and when I say the “water is ALMOST boiling” (which is what I wrote), I’m referring to the sad state of affairs in our government where the PRESIDENT IS VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION with his executive orders. Again, no reference to any time frame, that is some shit that YOU are confabulating and attacking me with.[quote]
and by having invested such an extreme amount of time/effort/money into safeguarding your house/car/shed/electricity supply etc as outlined in the other thread.
[/quote]I have not invested an “extreme” amount of time/money relative to my income. I’m an electrician and I enjoy tinkering with shit. IT’S MY HOBBY… I also have a bunch of programmable logic controller components that I’ve rigged up to turn a fan on, does that mean I “have an extreme fear of the heat”? NO. It means that I like fucking around with electronics, electricity, solar power and inverters. I am also an avid sailor and I own a few boats. Most of my stuff is marine grade, so I experiment with shit in my garage BEFORE I go cutting fiberglass and modifying my sail boats. Is that so “EXTREME”? I built my Faraday cage originally so that it would withstand a LIGHTING STRIKE, something that is a VERY COMMON occurance on a sailboat (you know, that whole “aluminum mast” think sticking up out of the water 50’ in the air acting like a lightning rod?) Is that EXTREME??? You’re making an awful lot of assumptions about me based on a limited interaction and I hate to break it to you, but I’m a fairly complex individual.[quote]
The video about the Muslims you posted is completely laughable. So half of Indonesia wants to live under Sharia Law? SO FUCKING WHAT?!?! LOL
[/quote]So fucking what? Do you even know what sharia law is? Here are some aspects of sharia law:
Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand.
Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.
Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.
A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
Girls’ clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad’s words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
A woman can have 1 husband, but a man can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband’s consent to divorce.
A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
A woman’s testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man’s.
A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be Halal.
Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
So all that shit is OK with you? There’s no problem here? Are you THAT fucking ignorant?
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from some survey asking muslims “would you like countries to live under Sharia Law?” you have taken the response to essentially mean TENS OF MILLIONS of indonesians want to come and kill every American and turn America into a Muslim country.
[/quote]NO, I SAID they are RADICALIZED. Please stop trying to tell me what I THINK and instead, focus on what I WRITE. It will be a much more productive discussion.[quote]
That is what you are implying by going on about these HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of “radicalised” muslims who would “swerve to run people over” if they could get away with it. LOL you are a smart guy read this stuff back to yourself you cant be serious.
regarding the oil, I am mentioning it in order to show you how volatile the global economy can be. you are saying america is totally fucked and i am saying the COMPLETELY unpredicted and dramatic fall in global oil prices is an example of how the american economy can be positively impacted by events which you i and nobody else can forsee. as such yes there is alot to be worried about but IN REALITY all various terrible scenarios economic/terror/disease/etc are NOT likely to occur.
[/quote]REALLY? Are you REALLY comparing some fluctuations in the PPB of oil to the NATIONAL DEBT? Did you REALLY just say that "the American economy can be POSITIVELY impacted by events we don’t foresee? LOL There is NOTHING POSITIVE about an 18 TRILLION dollar debt… The financial fairies will NOT come and wave their magic wand and somehow make this OK… This plays out ONE of TWO WAYS: 1)We MASSIVELY cut entitlement spending, enact MAJOR tax reform and government spending OR 2)We will be experience consequences caused by the debt sooner or later in ways that will be VERY PAINFUL to most Americans. Do you hear more than a HANDFUL of conservative politicians taking this seriously? Notice, I’m NOT saying “next week” and I’m not making exact predictions. I’m not saying it’s all going to be “doom and gloom” I’m saying that I don’t trust our government NOT to fuck it up, and I’m taking precautions to protect my FAMILY, my PROPERTY and my WEALTH. You obviously don’t HAVE anything to lose, which is why you have such a lackadaisical attitude about it. But when you are RESPONSIBLE for the well being of others and have assets that you’ve accumulated over DECADES and have first hand experience that the government can and will fuck up your life every time it has the opportunity to do so, you tend to have a different perspective.[quote]
I don’t really know why this has dissolved into a pissing contest. I think i just dont like pessimism being dressed up as realism. I can easily fall into the kind of attitude you have to various world events/situations as it makes me feel “in the know” or whatever about how the world works. the truth is we will all be fine martial law is not going to be coming to the US in your lifetime and neither will a Biblical plague or 30m indonesians driving around looking to run over Americans. [/quote]
Do you live in a BUBBLE? Martial law HAS been imposed on Americans in both MY lifetime and YOURS (New Orleans after Katrina, REMEMBER NOW?).
http://www.propublica.org/nola/story/nopd-order-to-shoot-looters-hurricane-katrina/
It was recently discussed OPENLY in Ferguson, MO although it was not “official”.
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/pre-emptive-martial-law-in-missouri-state-of-emergency-declared-and-the-decision-has-not-even-been-read_112014
And the national guard there WAS mobilized.
That was just a few months ago… Kinda turns what you wrote in some bullshit… “the truth is we will all be fine martial law is not going to be coming to the US in your lifetime”.
As for your implying I think a “biblical plague” is coming, if you’ve been around here for any amount of time, you’re barking up the wrong tree with that one. Again, putting words in my mouth that have NO BASIS IN REALITY.
Why are we having a pissing contest? Because YOU asked me to write a very detailed opinion. I took the time to do so. It’s obvious you didn’t bother to read it and you shit all over it while not addressing ANY of the primary points or citing ANYTHING other than “your feelings” in a post that probably took you three minutes to write where you didn’t even bother to capitalize your sentences. We have a word for that here: it’s called disrespect.
[quote]TheCB wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
But that’s “barely anything” right? You should show some fucking respect for the innocent people who were killed by these animals.[/quote]
dont be so weak as to play this kind of emotional card.
[/quote]What “emotional card” am I playing? YOU WROTE that islamic terrorists have done “barely anything”… (you DID write that, yes?) Well I happen to disagree that the THOUSANDS of men women and children killed by these fucking animals is BARELY ANYTHING. I think it’s a pretty BIG FUCKING DEAL. That’s not me playing any cards, that’s me bringing you back to reality - a place you should spend more time in. And BOY, I’m ANYTHING but “weak”…[quote]
my point is clearly that if there are MILLIONS of muslims who actively want to murder Americans why is the number of casualties so low?
[/quote]Here is the report on terrorism for 2012:
More than 6500 islamic terrorist attacks, Over 11,000 people KILLED, Over 21,000 people wounded. That’s in ONE YEAR… But that’s apparently NOTHING to you. Those people don’t matter, move along…
How about that whole Boston bombing thing… Less than two years ago. DOESN’T COUNT! Right? Those peaceful muslims aren’t trying to hurt us, you silly chicken!!![quote]
honestly, please answer the question.
There are only a limited number of answers:
none of these fit your narrative because you would never want to admit number 3 due to your hatred of Obama/the Govt.[/quote]Uhhh, I just chose #3… Nice assumption though[quote] if it’s number 2 who gives a shit. [/quote]I give a shit. Because one day, one of those fucking assholes might just find some capability. You really can’t be this dense…[quote]
if its number 1 then yes there is a real danger but that is life and it can never be fully stopped be it religious nuts or random kids shooting up schools. [/quote]Uhhh, actually it CAN be stopped… We are STOPPING it…[quote]
either way we have gone from 750m “radicalised muslims” to MILLIONS of people who would run you over dead at any opportunity. [/quote]IF THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH IT, you forgot that small detail… You want to just cut and paste what I say to fit YOUR narrative, but that’s a wee bit disingenuous.[quote]
to the reality.
this can be applied to your views on economics/the police/disease too: a kernel of truth growing into typical totally disproportionate hyperbolic forum posts masquerading as some kind of special insight. [/quote]
I don’t even know what to say to that sentence. What type of special insight am I offering? Have I ONCE called for everyone to “start prepping, cuz the end is near”? No… Did I volunteer my perspective and tell everyone else that they’d better pay attention, “OR ELSE”? No, you ASKED me for my perspective. And why the fuck do you care so much about what I’ve got going on in MY garage? It was a survivalist equipment thread (started by SOMEONE ELSE) in which I volunteered some information about what I have. Then there was a comment about economics in THIS thread. Why do you give a shit what I do or what I think? I’m not TELLING anyone what they should do, I’m stating MY opinion and what I THINK based on MY experience…
If you don’t want to protect your assets, then DON’T! If you trust the government to protect you and your family, GOOD FOR YOU! I honestly hope you are right. I don’t want my kids to have to live through an economic collapse. But given the data that’s available to all of us, I am doing what I feel is best for MY family. I really couldn’t care less about what you do.
Just keep off of my lawn.
[quote]magick wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
In 2012, our dear leader signed another executive order, the National Defense Resources Preparedness Executive Order 13603. It was to “update” an existing executive order from the '50’s from the Truman administration granting the executive branch control over private businesses, resources, raw materials etc… for “national defense purposes”. The Truman law ALSO gave the executive branch power to impose wage and price controls, settle labor disputes, control consumer and real estate credit, and establish “contractual priorities”. It was generally understood that this would be done in an extreme need and most likely accompanied by Martial Law (which I’ll touch on later). But our dear leader changed a few things: Obama added, under section 203(b) the phrase, “under both emergency and non-emergency conditions” and in section 102, “in peacetime and in times of war”.
Yes, ladies and gents, he has a pen, and he’s not afraid to use it.[/quote]
When do you think Obama will unleash his evil plans in the next year and a half or so?
Or do you think it’s just a set-up for another Democrat President?
Or maybe Obama is setting things up for the Illuminati to go on with their master plan?
[/quote]I have no idea what will happen.[quote]
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Our unsound fiscal policy and fiat currency ultimately led to the financial crash several years ago that was “averted” (and by “averted”, I mean “delayed and magnified”) by literally printing trillions of dollars. I mean, it’s just like that song, “money for nothin and your chicks for free”. Does ANYONE of sound mind believe that to be stable or sustainable? Instead of allowing banks to FAIL and go through some short term pain, we socialized the banks, incurred TRILLIONS of dollars of debt and now the market is BOOMING again, and the price of oil is DOWN, baby! YEEE HAAA, right? LMAO[/quote]
Blame the “too big to fail” crowd of 2008-2010.
[/quote]Agree 100%[quote]
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
And how will TODAY’S generation handle it? Do they even have a SHRED of the testicular fortitude that our great grandparents who grew potatoes in the back yard to survive the Great Depression had? FUCK NO… They’ll want the government to fix it. But what will they do when the government CAN’T? Which brings us back to civil unrest and martial law.[/quote]
Emotive garbage. People deal with things.
[/quote]Or they die. I think it’s a fair statement that people in the 1930’s were far more adjusted to “surviving” than most people today. Some of them can’t find their way home without a GPS… Will they adjust? Perhaps. It’ll be fun to watch though, that’s for sure.[quote]
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Now pretend for a minute that the US got kicked in the economic nuts and is staggering under the weight of it’s spoiled and petulant population… What is the likelihood that the other sharks in the tank will start to take bites at us? It’ll be a god damned feeding frenzy that would most likely culminate in an attack on our country while we are down and the destruction of our way of life as we know it.[/quote]
If the U.S. goes down, the entire world economy goes down along with it. More emotive garbage.
[/quote]And what happens then? Who fills that power vacuum? Why is it unreasonable to assume that SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE wants that to happen? When Rome fell, Europe descended into chaos for a while and then things kept going. Why does no one have an historical perspective on things any more? I mean, the United States of America is NOT permanent! Any more than the British Empire was in the last century. Shit happens… [quote]
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Does anyone trust our government to deal with this in a responsible way?[/quote]
Do you believe that the government is run by the Illuminati or some similar organization?
[/quote]No, I believe the government is run by short sighted fools who are influenced by a liberal MEDIA and care only about getting re-elected, so they will make ANY deal necessary with every “campaign contributor” they can find to pay for commercials that will program the average American sheep to vote for the politician who identifies the closest with whatever TV shows they tend to watch. There is NO WAY the government is run by ANYONE with a modicum of intelligence or foresight. It’s just human nature. The framers of the Constitution didn’t count on a few things, or they would have imposed even MORE checks and balances (i.e. term limits, defining things more clearly, etc…). It was a nice try. [quote]
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Sorry to paint a dismal picture, but that’s how I see the world. Do I really sound like a nut job?[/quote]
I want to say you do, but given that we both see the world as we want to see it, that would mean admitting that I sound like a nut job too.
Which… I honestly don’t mind. So, yes, you sound like a nut job.
Did you decide whether to stay at your farm or your home in case shit hits the fan?[/quote]
IF the shit hit the fan I would make an assessment of the facts and make a decision that was best for my family. I MIGHT decide to take them out of the country - I have property and a thriving business in South America. I have contacts and business/employment opportunities in other parts of the world as well. I can pick up and go whenever I want.
You are not bothering to actually listen to what I am saying. We could continue to nitpick at each others sentences but theres no real point in that. However I do think your views on Islam are worth discussing more.
Have you ever met any Muslim people?
You paint 1.5 BILLION people with the most pig ignorant broad brush strokes it is genuinely astonishing.
Or are we going to be generous and say its only the 750 MILLION “radicalised” ones. Who you are happy to call “radicalised” based on some smug and lazy video as “evidence.”
In the last few posts alone you have claimed “these people” would drive a car into ANY american if given the chance.
Are you actually this ignorant?
What has been you interactions with ACTUAL muslims in your lifetime? How many have tried to run you over/murder you/murder someone you know?
[quote]TheCB wrote:
You are not bothering to actually listen to what I am saying. We could continue to nitpick at each others sentences but theres no real point in that. However I do think your views on Islam are worth discussing more.
Have you ever met any Muslim people?
You paint 1.5 BILLION people with the most pig ignorant broad brush strokes it is genuinely astonishing.
Or are we going to be generous and say its only the 750 MILLION “radicalised” ones. Who you are happy to call “radicalised” based on some smug and lazy video as “evidence.”
In the last few posts alone you have claimed “these people” would drive a car into ANY american if given the chance.
Are you actually this ignorant?
What has been you interactions with ACTUAL muslims in your lifetime? How many have tried to run you over/murder you/murder someone you know?[/quote]
Who the fuck do you think you are? Like seriously. I don’t owe you an explanation about anything. You’ve proved yourself to be nothing more than a troll. Good one.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]TheCB wrote:
You are not bothering to actually listen to what I am saying. We could continue to nitpick at each others sentences but theres no real point in that. However I do think your views on Islam are worth discussing more.
Have you ever met any Muslim people?
You paint 1.5 BILLION people with the most pig ignorant broad brush strokes it is genuinely astonishing.
Or are we going to be generous and say its only the 750 MILLION “radicalised” ones. Who you are happy to call “radicalised” based on some smug and lazy video as “evidence.”
In the last few posts alone you have claimed “these people” would drive a car into ANY american if given the chance.
Are you actually this ignorant?
What has been you interactions with ACTUAL muslims in your lifetime? How many have tried to run you over/murder you/murder someone you know?[/quote]
Who the fuck do you think you are? Like seriously. I don’t owe you an explanation about anything. You’ve proved yourself to be nothing more than a troll. Good one. [/quote]
This is just an internet discussion board why do you get so emotional?
So what we can take from your response is er you have minimal/no regular interactions with muslims and zero have tried to run you over or kill anyone you know.
[quote]TheCB wrote:
You are not bothering to actually listen to what I am saying. We could continue to nitpick at each others sentences but theres no real point in that. However I do think your views on Islam are worth discussing more.
Have you ever met any Muslim people?
You paint 1.5 BILLION people with the most pig ignorant broad brush strokes it is genuinely astonishing.
Or are we going to be generous and say its only the 750 MILLION “radicalised” ones. Who you are happy to call “radicalised” based on some smug and lazy video as “evidence.”
In the last few posts alone you have claimed “these people” would drive a car into ANY american if given the chance.
Are you actually this ignorant?
What has been you interactions with ACTUAL muslims in your lifetime? How many have tried to run you over/murder you/murder someone you know?[/quote]
The issue that gives me some concern about the amount of Islamic fundamentalist. Or Muslims that want Sharia law.
Lets say there are 1 million that want society under Sharia law. Even if you have a small percentage of those who are “radicalized” or would be willing to blow themselves up to kill non-Muslims, the problem is that the rest are not going to do anything to stop them or condemn those acts. They just might not want to do the dirty work. Lets say 1% (10,000) are willing to kill and die to accomplish Sharia law, there are 990,000 that don’t have a problem looking the other way to see Sharia law becoming societies law.
I am not an expert in this, just trying to give my thoughts on why a large part of the world wanting Sharia law is concerning to me.
If I am wrong that’s fine, give me some info that erases those concerns