That Ben Shapiro video is based on extrapolation from polls, I don’t know the sample sizes he used, but it would be worth looking into.
[quote]TheCB wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]TheCB wrote:
You are not bothering to actually listen to what I am saying. We could continue to nitpick at each others sentences but theres no real point in that. However I do think your views on Islam are worth discussing more.
Have you ever met any Muslim people?
You paint 1.5 BILLION people with the most pig ignorant broad brush strokes it is genuinely astonishing.
Or are we going to be generous and say its only the 750 MILLION “radicalised” ones. Who you are happy to call “radicalised” based on some smug and lazy video as “evidence.”
In the last few posts alone you have claimed “these people” would drive a car into ANY american if given the chance.
Are you actually this ignorant?
What has been you interactions with ACTUAL muslims in your lifetime? How many have tried to run you over/murder you/murder someone you know?[/quote]
Who the fuck do you think you are? Like seriously. I don’t owe you an explanation about anything. You’ve proved yourself to be nothing more than a troll. Good one. [/quote]
This is just an internet discussion board why do you get so emotional?
[/quote]LOL you like throw out bait, huh? Are you bored or something? You’re right, this is an internet DISCUSSION board. You are not interested in discussing anything, all you are interested in doing is talking past me, building strawmen arguments that are ridiculous and picking a fight. Sorry, not interested. You have made PLENTY of assertions, accusations and judgements, but have yet to back ANYTHING you say with even an opinion article. That’s not how it works here. You have been here for one month and have 50 posts. If you want to be taken seriously here, get with the program. If not, you had better find another board to troll. Here’s the basics:
-back up what you say with a link to a credible source
-don’t build straw man arguments
-if you don’t have time to respond, say so - a rushed and poorly worded argument serves no one
-while you are new and getting to know everyone, show a little fucking respect
What you can get from my response is that I really don’t feel like wasting any more of my time arguing with you. Here’s how it’ll go down based on your posting history:
I’ll post some links and make an argument about MY position. You’ll ignore my basic point, and seize on one little sentence like a dog on a bone and wont let it go (while not providing ANY links to whatever point you’re trying to make). I’ll tell you “NO, that’s not what I said”, and you’ll continue to talk past me. You’ll then change the subject to something entirely different while insinuating that I’m racist, stupid or don’t know what I’m talking about. I’ll get pissed and tell you to go fuck yourself, then you’ll call me emotional.
Let’s just agree to disagree and cut through the chase, shall we?
Fuck off.
Found one of the Pew polls
page 7
I don’t really know enough to say whether this was of sufficient power or not.
Here’s another interpretation of the Shapiro data
Concludes that it’s more like 180M radicals, which is still just as bad in my opinion.
A different one (from Shapiro)
http://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2014/09/16/the-myth-of-the-tiny-radical-muslim-minority/
Sharia law was on the ballet in Alabama this year, and was thankfully it was voted down. I believe in democracy, but how does that get on the ballets?
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Found one of the Pew polls
page 7
I don’t really know enough to say whether this was of sufficient power or not.[/quote]
Thanks for the link.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Fuck off.[/quote]
jeez you really went off on one.
no wonder you have experienced so many decades of “persecution” from the evil law enforcement with your charming attitude.
Good links, Matty
I wonder if the troll will bother to read them
I bet he comes back with some liberal bullshit “opinion” with out a link to back it up.
[quote]TheCB wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Fuck off.[/quote]
jeez you really went off on one.
no wonder you have experienced so many decades of “persecution” from the evil law enforcement with your charming attitude. [/quote]
Yet again, you demonstrate the attention span of a flea. You just can’t stay on topic can you?
Hey buddy, there’s this thing called a “shift” key. You press it to make a capital letter. That’s how you start a sentence.
So given my charming attitude (which you provoked deliberately), you feel that I was beaten by the police for just cause? Because I DISAGREE with you?
Wow. Gotta LOVE the liberal mind! Why don’t you go hug a muslim or something?
My favorite part of the whole ebola thing was that asshat saying “how dare we turn our back on serria leon blah blah blah” as if anyone has given a fuck about west africa in the past 200 years, but now all of a sudden it’s wrong to not want people from a country with a deadly incurable disease not getting in north america. We should help but dont bring that shit to our shores and then attempt to make into some kind of reparation issue. The liberal agenda is so transparent it makes me sick.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
Sharia law was on the ballet in Alabama this year, and was thankfully it was voted down. I believe in democracy, but how does that get on the ballets? [/quote]
That’s what happens when we let just anyone into the country. islam is like a roach infestation. Life is great when you don’t have them, but once they get in, they start multiplying. There is a huge mosque near my house and they cause all kinds of traffic problems because they cut right across the street instead of walking to a cross walk. So what is the police response? The cops post a patrol car (blocking a lane of traffic) and HALTS traffic so these fuckers can cross the street illegally, when there is a perfectly good cross walk a block away… It’s un-fucking believable.
anwar al-awlaki, the American citizen terrorist that was killed by the drone was the imam at this mosque…
But he was just an anomaly…
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
That’s what happens when we let just anyone into the country. [/quote]
It’s only going to get worse
My sister is audiologist, has to give free hearing test to all immigrants through medicare, and then they get free hearing aides if needed. These are right off the boat people who have been here a week. Mostly from Nepal
I lived here 31 years, pay taxes, vote and generally dont break the law; It would take 6months to get the same appointment, and cost hundreds of dollars for the hearing aid. Go liberals!!
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
islam is like a roach infestation.[/quote]
lol it’s all coming out now eh.
this is your view of 1,500,000,000 other human beings.
and save me the “BOY YOU CAN’T READ MA POSTS RIGHT!” shit or calling me a liberal.
you are just a complete idiot.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
I have no idea what will happen.[/quote]
Then why bring it up?
Maybe he did it because he’s an underling to the Illuminati. Maybe he did it because he felt there were perfectly legitimate reasons that none of us know about. Maybe he did it because he got bored and wanted to do really dumb and pointless things that day.
Who knows.
The point is- What point is there in speculating and generally being alarmist without any evidence as to what the end-game is?
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Or they die. I think it’s a fair statement that people in the 1930’s were far more adjusted to “surviving” than most people today. Some of them can’t find their way home without a GPS… Will they adjust? Perhaps. It’ll be fun to watch though, that’s for sure.[/quote]
Yes. People either adapt or they die. I agree with most of the people here in that social programs sort of render this moot, and that is problematic. I understand why the social programs exist, and I can sympathize (to a point) with the concept that people start on uneven ground and that may be unfair. Unfortunately, there are limits to everything and I think the big social-program proponents are ignoring the limits and dreaming too much. Heck, one can even argue that the basis of the modern social programs began on dreams. LBJ believed that our economy would never fall from the massive monster (relatively speaking) it was in the 60s and that poverty can actually be eliminated.
But the above is besides the point right now.
I flat-out disagree with what you wrote above. You take any random guy in NYC in the 1939 and any random guy in NYC in 2014 and plop them down in the middle of a depression and they’ll both likely flounder. I don’t even know where this belief that people were tougher back then originated from. If it were the case then the Great Depression and all the people who suffered and had to live off the soup kitchen and have no jobs and such wouldn’t have ever existed.
People flat-out forget that WWII saved us. It was never the will of the people to survive a catastrophe. It was the biggest fucking war of all time.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
And what happens then? Who fills that power vacuum? Why is it unreasonable to assume that SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE wants that to happen? When Rome fell, Europe descended into chaos for a while and then things kept going. Why does no one have an historical perspective on things any more? I mean, the United States of America is NOT permanent! Any more than the British Empire was in the last century. Shit happens… [/quote]
You’re arguing two different things here. I agree with the argument that the U.S. can never be a permanent power-structure, because that just goes against everything we’ve seen in history. Everything fails at some point.
But, from what I can tell, you’re conflating this with the belief that an economic collapse will harm the U.S. more than any other country, that the U.S. economy will not recover faster than the others, and that people will deliberately take advantage of this situation to our disadvantage.
In other words, I feel like you’re looking at it in too much of a “us vs. them” scenario. And I feel that you’re being far too American-centric here and ignoring all the problems the traditional enemies face.
Russia is in the middle of an economic melt-down, one that reveals just paper-thin its economy is. China is essentially a paper tiger and will remain a paper tiger unless some really really big changes in its economic and political infrastructure occur.
And who gives a shit about Iran and Europe. Europe is dependent on us to save them from big-scary Russia. We care about Iran only because the possible threat it poses to Israel, one that I’m not even sure is warranted since I think Israel can survive any war thrown their way.
I urge you to at least take a cursory look at our possible enemies and see just how weak they really are. The U.S. is a superpower beyond any other in the history of the world for a reason. As strong as the British Empire was at its heyday, it still had competitors and rivals.
We have no rivals in any possible definition of the word.
At the push of a button we can obliterate any country we choose. Our country is so incredibly large, and the population so incredibly spread out, that any attack on us (both nuclear and conventional) has no hope of actually succeeding beyond pissing us off beyond imagination.
The economy of the world is dependent on the economy of the U.S. We haven’t even bothered to tap a fraction of the resources we have at our disposal, and when the need comes we’ll say “fuck you” to the environmentalists and harvest everything we need to survive.
The U.S. has proven multiple times that we can come together in a crisis, and I believe we’ll do so in the future.
Yes, we can and eventually will fail. The thought that it will occur in our life-time and that anyone recovers fast enough to take advantage of our plight is, imo, remote.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
No, I believe the government is run by short sighted fools who are influenced by a liberal MEDIA and care only about getting re-elected, so they will make ANY deal necessary with every “campaign contributor” they can find to pay for commercials that will program the average American sheep to vote for the politician who identifies the closest with whatever TV shows they tend to watch. There is NO WAY the government is run by ANYONE with a modicum of intelligence or foresight. It’s just human nature.[/quote]
If this is human nature, then clearly it has been the case even when the framers created the Constitution. Ergo, we’ve been victim to this flaw since day 1. In fact, politics always dealt with special interests. If you never have, I seriously urge you to study basic political history during the first 50 years of the U.S.
I daresay you’ll see that it was worse then than it is now.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
IF the shit hit the fan I would make an assessment of the facts and make a decision that was best for my family. I MIGHT decide to take them out of the country - I have property and a thriving business in South America. I have contacts and business/employment opportunities in other parts of the world as well. I can pick up and go whenever I want.[/quote]
This is why we’re all nutjobs. We always think that, when shit hits the fan, at least one of our plans will work.
It’s like how the hero in movies always can find a working car, or has an open path to drive said car.
But to be serious for a second again- In what manner do you believe an economic collapse in the U.S. will affect the economies of S. American countries? Why do you think that you’ll be safer in some S. American country than here? Isn’t S. American countries already far more dangerous than the U.S.?
[quote]Aggv wrote:
My sister is audiologist, has to give free hearing test to all immigrants through medicare, and then they get free hearing aides if needed. These are right off the boat people who have been here a week. Mostly from Nepal
I lived here 31 years, pay taxes, vote and generally dont break the law; It would take 6months to get the same appointment, and cost hundreds of dollars for the hearing aid. Go liberals!![/quote]
Wait, if they get it through medicare then shouldn’t you be angry at all the old people who demand that medicare doesn’t ever get touched?
[quote]TheCB wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
islam is like a roach infestation.[/quote]
lol it’s all coming out now eh.
this is your view of 1,500,000,000 other human beings.
and save me the “BOY YOU CAN’T READ MA POSTS RIGHT!” shit or calling me a liberal.
you are just a complete idiot. [/quote]
Ahhh…
The sweet, sweet taste of victory: When you’ve frustrated a liberal with your arguments, facts and logic that they are reduced to calling you names.
'Tis the nectar of the gods, I tell you - PURE ambrosia! LOL
I see you found the shift button, but just don’t like capitalizing your sentences. Let me guess… You are typing all this on a phone, aren’t you? That’s SO GYPSY of you! (Gen Y Protagonist Special YUPPY)
Welcome to PWI! 
Now don’t you have some cockroaches to hug?
Any other entitled classes you want to ride in on your white horse and defend or apologize for? How about gays? Wanna talk about that next?
LOL
Now that we’ve gotten the pleasantries out of the way, how about a little background on you?
You’re 30, obviously a liberal with questionable reading comprehension… What value do you bring to this discussion?
What background and life experience do you have that would incline me to take ANYTHING you write seriously (especially since you appear to be your own special expert, because you don’t link to any sources to back up the dissenting opinions you offer)
Are you a PhD or something? You MUST have SOME credentials to come on here and swing it around the way you have…
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]TheCB wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
islam is like a roach infestation.[/quote]
lol it’s all coming out now eh.
this is your view of 1,500,000,000 other human beings.
and save me the “BOY YOU CAN’T READ MA POSTS RIGHT!” shit or calling me a liberal.
you are just a complete idiot. [/quote]
Ahhh…
The sweet, sweet taste of victory: When you’ve frustrated a liberal with your arguments, facts and logic that they are reduced to calling you names.
'Tis the nectar of the gods, I tell you - PURE ambrosia! LOL
I see you found the shift button, but just don’t like capitalizing your sentences. Let me guess… You are typing all this on a phone, aren’t you? That’s SO GYPSY of you! (Gen Y Protagonist Special YUPPY)
Welcome to PWI!
Now don’t you have some cockroaches to hug?
Any other entitled classes you want to ride in on your white horse and defend or apologize for? How about gays? Wanna talk about that next?
LOL
Now that we’ve gotten the pleasantries out of the way, how about a little background on you?
You’re 30, obviously a liberal with questionable reading comprehension… What value do you bring to this discussion?
What background and life experience do you have that would incline me to take ANYTHING you write seriously (especially since you appear to be your own special expert, because you don’t link to any sources to back up the dissenting opinions you offer)
Are you a PhD or something? You MUST have SOME credentials to come on here and swing it around the way you have…[/quote]
all your ridiculous apocalyptic bullshit has been totally shown for what it is: typical “get off my lawn” ranting and raving with no substance.
go check up on your doomsday bunker bro before some muslim cockroaches try and steal one of your bottles of water. try not to get exterminated by one of obama’s martial law drones on your way.
LOL.
[quote]magick wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
My sister is audiologist, has to give free hearing test to all immigrants through medicare, and then they get free hearing aides if needed. These are right off the boat people who have been here a week. Mostly from Nepal
I lived here 31 years, pay taxes, vote and generally dont break the law; It would take 6months to get the same appointment, and cost hundreds of dollars for the hearing aid. Go liberals!![/quote]
Wait, if they get it through medicare then shouldn’t you be angry at all the old people who demand that medicare doesn’t ever get touched?
[/quote]
comparing old people who lived in the USA, and paid taxes their whole lives to someone who has been in the country a week?
One has earned the right to benefits, the other has earned nothing. Big difference imho