[quote]Proteinpowda wrote:
Cy…This is the first time I’m going to add my two cents to this discussion:
This almost sounds like Methoxy-7 combined with a testosterone booster that won’t lower endogenous production.
So what will seperate this from Methoxy-7 other than it working via different mechanisms?
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This is one compound, for one. Also, when I say that it is comparable to mild anabolic steroids, I’m not talking about pure anecdotal reports, I’m talking about two separate sets of data in which oxandrolone and the parent compound of Carbolin-19 were shown to have nearly identical effects in nearly the same groups.
This compound works via a different mechanism and can be said to be much more powerful. Also, as you’ll see in the future, there are many other differences. Also, it’s important to realize that the mechanism by which something works is also of importance and shouldn’t be viewed as minute.
dude, lol, that .pdf paper on racemic carbolines just describes how to make certain kinds of carbolines (but not carbolin-19), then it shows you how “easy” it is to turn the final product into it’s precursor form (think transformers).
Carbolin-19 isn’t and an I.U.P.A.C. recommended nomenclature (probably a catchy derivation), and it’s nothing informal we can find, we have no chance of figuring this one out.
We know what it does (anabolic and lipolytic; doesn’t suppress endogenous testosterone; may aid vascularity)
We know development is far enough along that they are picking labels
We know it’s expected out by the end of February
(We also know that “Carbolin-19” has no relation to any other product with that name on the market, so we–me included–can stop Googling it.)
At this point, all we don’t know that’s important to us is:
5. What’s the price per bottle?
6. What’s the duration of a bottle at normal serving size?
7. How many weeks before results are reasonably expected?
And perhaps:
8. Will this be for T-Nation only, or found at GNC?
Other than that, I’m with vroom: the wild speculation might as well calm down.
(Oh, and doesn’t anyone think that, given the effects promised and the fact that you don’t have to cycle it, this could be one of the greatest supplements ever, after PS/PH? I can’t wait!)
Questions 5 and 6 are very good questions that no one has thought to ask yet. If this compound is all that it is cracked up to be then you may want to start saving for in now.
We know what it does (anabolic and lipolytic; doesn’t suppress endogenous testosterone; may aid vascularity)
We know development is far enough along that they are picking labels
We know it’s expected out by the end of February
(We also know that “Carbolin-19” has no relation to any other product with that name on the market, so we–me included–can stop Googling it.)
At this point, all we don’t know that’s important to us is:
5. What’s the price per bottle?
6. What’s the duration of a bottle at normal serving size?
7. How many weeks before results are reasonably expected?
And perhaps:
8. Will this be for T-Nation only, or found at GNC?
Other than that, I’m with vroom: the wild speculation might as well calm down.
(Oh, and doesn’t anyone think that, given the effects promised and the fact that you don’t have to cycle it, this could be one of the greatest supplements ever, after PS/PH? I can’t wait!)[/quote]
You’ll have these answers just before the product is available. Look for an article within the next few days.
I have only 4 bottles of MAG-10 stockpiled. Not being very familiar with regular steroids, how does this product compare with MAG-10? (Nano disp, but not Legacy formula.)
I know the products cannot be exactly comparable, but I am more familiar with this then with oxandrolone, stanozolol, and such.
[quote]The Mage wrote:
I have only 4 bottles of MAG-10 stockpiled. Not being very familiar with regular steroids, how does this product compare with MAG-10? (Nano disp, but not Legacy formula.)
I know the products cannot be exactly comparable, but I am more familiar with this then with oxandrolone, stanozolol, and such.
And I will be ready to read the article.[/quote]
Would Carbolin-19 outperform MAG-10 if both were given for a 2 week period? Probably not. However, the advantage is that with Carbolin-19, you don’t have to use it for short periods of time like that with MAG-10. So, while MAG-10 would win out over 2 weeks, if you had to stop taking MAG-10 at that point and continued taking Carbolin-19 for let’s say another 4-8 weeks, it would be a different story.
There are also some other important topics, but those will be brought up in the article.
If I understand you correctly Cy, you’re saying that 4-8 weeks of this new product can be compared to 2 weeks of MAG-10???
As in, in 4-8 weeks we can expect to gain approximately 10 lbs? If so… WOW![/quote]
No, that’s not at all what I said. I said the following:
“However, the advantage is that with Carbolin-19, you don’t have to use it for short periods of time like that with MAG-10. So, while MAG-10 would win out over 2 weeks, if you had to stop taking MAG-10 at that point and continued taking Carbolin-19 for let’s say another 4-8 weeks, it would be a different story.”
In other words, 6-10 (12 weeks at most according to unpublished data) weeks of Carbolin-19 would likely exceed the effects of using MAG-10 for 2 weeks. Now, when I say this, I mean in terms of body composition (muscle AND fat mass being assessed) not simply “weight.”
As for the 10 lb figure you gave, please don’t read in to what I’m saying too much. First, one has to differentiate “weight” from LBM only. Secondly, in respect to MAG-10, I’ve seen anywhere from 5-20 lb gains in 2 week periods from MAG-10. Hence, the reason I gave a varied time frame.
Cy now knows what it feels like to be a wounded antelope surrounded by a pack of hyenas. Did you do something to piss Tim off? He basically cut a few arteries and then flung you out into the shark infested waters with this one. I wouldn’t be surprised if people started calling in hits on you for not giving them what they want. LOL yea you really must have done something bad.
[quote]Cy Willson wrote:
…I can tell you that I just had a quick conversation yesterday about the finalization of the label.[/quote]
Hey Cy,
about the label…once the article comes out, how about a contest for label design…
or maybe one (like you did for Alpha Male) with a naming contest…
I’d submit even if there wasn’t a prize…it would be cool to know I was a part of Biotest history (assuming I won, of course…hehehe)
just a random thought.