Cutting Cycles?

mikemarine23 · January 25, 2010, 12:36am

I’m sure it has been posted somewhere…just do not know where. If someone could point me in the right direction, it would be greatly appreciated. I’ll start off with giving a background of my lifting/anobolic/health history. I am 29 years old and have been weight training for 11 years now. I have done a handful of cycles…(by no means a vet…but not a newbie either). I am 5’10"…210lbs…10%BF.

I watch my diet (meaning minimal carb/sugar intake). Each high protein/good fats…(mostly fish/nuts for fat source). All of my cycles have been bulking cycles. I am in search for a good cutting cycle…and can’t seem to find a reliable source for researching this info…(as we all know everyone has their own opinions and…to put it honestly…I can’t seem to find the right answer).

Seems there are alot of knowledgeable vets here. I would greatly appreciate your expertise to assist in my inquiry…or at the least point me in the right direction (if there is a post on this that I have failed to find). Thank you…

BONEZ217 · January 25, 2010, 12:58am

Are you looking for a cycle to be used during a contest diet? How much further below 10% are you looking to go?

hurriedsurgeon · February 1, 2010, 4:24pm

eq or primobolan. also the legal option that seems to work (and has for me to a degree) is adrenosterone. its a cortisol modulator hardens muscle and cuts fat.

nreviya · February 2, 2010, 7:08pm

Any cycle can be cutting. Just control estrogen and create calorie deficit.

Relentless2 · February 5, 2010, 4:05am

Search Cy Wilson’s Steroid Dieting article here… a good read and I’m pretty sure he’s pretty knowledgeable.

whotookmyname · February 5, 2010, 2:41pm

As stated previously, there’s no magic cutting cycle and diet is clearly critical.

That said, for me at least, it basically starts and end with trenbolone. Moderate to low testosterone (pick an ester…it doesn’t matter, though water retention is more readily manageable with prop), moderate to high levels of tren, T3 if desired, and perhaps anavar or winstrol for the final 4 or 5 weeks of the cycle. You can modify things accordingly, for example lowering the tren dosage and adding in masteron.

TheBeat2 · February 6, 2010, 7:17am

Basically you want to maintain and hopefully even gain a little mass during your cut. A relatively low-dose of test should be your base for several reasons. I like 300mg or so myself. Everything else, as far as AAS, is really goal dependent - I know you are cutting, but really any compound can be added. I’ll come back to my suggestions in a bit.
A few things to really consider.
~Harsh dieting and training can really zap test levels, so you want to keep a high-maintenance dose to counter that and the increase cortisol that may happen.
~If you are dieting really hard then thyroid will become surpressed as well over time and you might consider adding in a replacement dose+. Depends on how you go about your diet, your goals as far as how you want to reach your goal, and your fears of T3 (so many people read out-dated ignorant articles and posts and get scared, not saying you shouldn’t know what you are doing at all though)
~Also you should consider how fast you want to cut, or really how low you want to take your calories and how much energy you are going to (willing) to expend. An extreme calorie cut would warrant a substance like Tren to maintain mass and aid in the cut through nutrition partitioning. A standard cutting diet doesn’t need it (though that doesn’t mean you don’t want it or it doesn’t have its place).

I’m cutting right now and I’m using:
300mg/week Test E
600mg/week Mast E
300mg/week Nand PP
Btw it’s one of my favorite cycles.

Usually I use Tren while cutting, actually with almost every cycle, but I wanted more of a “Nandro look” this time and am doing so much physical training that the NPP helps while the Tren would become a slight hinderance.

You really can’t go wrong with most any AAS to aid, but I like a Test base at 300-600mg (depends on things), and Masteron, Tren, Npp, Anavar, and/or Dbol (yes, I love it in a cut at sensible doses)
There is or at least should be a reason for each AAS, specific goals dictate that, and I don’t just mean a goal like get shredded to 6%bf or something like that, but how dieting, training and everything else is taking place, and the overall look one is going for.
Hope this is of some help for ya and I didn’t ramble too much. Lol.

tw2battl2 · February 6, 2010, 8:41pm

What is a “Nandro look” as opposed to something else? I guess what is the difference?

TheBeat2 · February 7, 2010, 8:45am

[quote]tw2battl2 wrote:
What is a “Nandro look” as opposed to something else? I guess what is the difference?[/quote]

What I mean is the “full” look one gets from Nandro: when lean, I think it gives a nice fullness to the muscles which enhances the muscles overall shape and “pop” so to speak. Don’t think “bloat” in any sort of sense, but rather “full muscles” - like carbed up in a sense. Probably not explaining it too well, and I’m experimenting myself based off my self-observations. So the difference would be, in my opinion, and what I’m trying out right now: Tren=Hard/dense look, NPP=Full/round look. I might be talking out of my ass a bit, but empirically it’s what I notice and am doing my cut a bit different this time to see.

tribeoner · March 9, 2010, 1:24pm

Been contemplating going on the diet portion of Cy’s article in order to get ripped for the summer. If you’re not familiar here it is: Strength Training, Bodybuilding & Online Supplement Store - T NATION

This seems to me, more geared towards BB who are already huge and fairly lean. I’m the opposite at 5’10, 195 and hovering around 20% BF.

Currently doing P90X, and doing cardio (incline treadmill for 30 min) 3x a week for now.

Going to start Cy’s suggested cycle to a T.

So my questions are:

Has anyone with a similar body comp tried this diet? How were your results? Also, how long does he mean this to last for? I plan on doing a 12 week cut and want to be under 10% BF while keeping AS MUCH LBM as possible. Would that be too long to keep my cal restriced to the prescribed daily 1600 cal? any advice is appreciated.

smith_machine · March 12, 2010, 3:24am

I love test with mast/tren combo + diet + cardio my bodyshape will change noticably in three weeks with
these compounds include looking leaner and other people noticed it in 3 weeks as well.

Stanazol doesnt work as good for me as well as masteron and kills my hair the worst (but also it makes me feel unwell generally, not like dbol makes me feel good so im not much of a fan of it even tho i used it alot).

I also like low test for you to cut and tren/ mast combo is gold for me.

And I only did 315/315 mg of each per week for 5 weeks last time, very noticable even at that low dose!

The intresting thing i find if I have tren ace (75mg/ml) a little higher at 367.5/week (0.7ed), I dont get tired from tren use.

At 315 mg (0.6ed) /week tren by about 12hours after injection, I start to get slightly tired so i like 367.5+ tren per week.

If I was around your body fat myself, I would probably do a cut cycle like:

350+ mg sustanon
400mg masteron
367.5 mg Tren ace

Per week.

ED injects for less Tren Ace sides and for sustanon prop, mast prop, Tren Ace levels to feel
stable and feel great every day with stable moods.

Even with ed injects I do notice a LITTLE less water retention with susatanon(even though test is test i understand this) vs test enth hence y i use sustanon, plus I have to do ed injects for mood levels to stay constant so i may as well, they cost the same for me and the sust makes me look SLIGHTLY leaner.

When ur single digit bodyfat and ur after that last ‘bit’, I imagine this would make a difference, if you can get AI, no big deal what test you use.

But depends on what steroids you have used, what sides you get…You may not be comfortable with these compounds/stack.

What cycles/compounds have you done/used so far?

smith_machine · March 12, 2010, 3:42am

[quote]tribeoner wrote:
Been contemplating going on the diet portion of Cy’s article in order to get ripped for the summer. If you’re not familiar here it is: Strength Training, Bodybuilding & Online Supplement Store - T NATION

This seems to me, more geared towards BB who are already huge and fairly lean. I’m the opposite at 5’10, 195 and hovering around 20% BF.

Currently doing P90X, and doing cardio (incline treadmill for 30 min) 3x a week for now.

Going to start Cy’s suggested cycle to a T.

So my questions are:

Has anyone with a similar body comp tried this diet? How were your results? Also, how long does he mean this to last for? I plan on doing a 12 week cut and want to be under 10% BF while keeping AS MUCH LBM as possible. Would that be too long to keep my cal restriced to the prescribed daily 1600 cal? any advice is appreciated. [/quote]

I am 20% bf now @ 5’11.5 and 260 lb and about to go into a cutting cycle in 2 and a bit weeks.

I loose fat with diet + exercise…and increase exercise progressively as i need to increase fat loss.

I dont know your metabolism but mine is slow…1600cal may not be enough for you or it may be, u can only know trial and error.

I am retaining almost all my strenth 6 weeks post last cycle while consuming 60-70 TOTAL carbs, around total 1900 cal/day (count even the carbs in the milk I during whole and all the sugars in cofees etc) per day, and loosing fat slowly.

On cycle I was about 120 grams carbs (2300 cal per day) per day loosing fat gaining a little strength slowly (test, tren, mast).

Im not recommending this to everyone because its not easy to do but just giving you an idea from a guy same bodyfat and similar height to yourself what works for me.

Cy’s diet is great for fat loss but…Have you tried eating only 25grams per day total fat whilst getting 300 gram protein?

I cant do this, do you know an average piece of lean meat 100grams has roughly 10 gram fat and 20 gram protein?

Thats 40% ur daily fat intake in one measely small piece of 100gram lean meat.

25 gram total daily fat is EXTREMELY hard to do Especially with 300 gram protein…That would be alot of pure skilnless chicken breast and tuna/skinless fish, fat free milk with protein shakes or water shakes.

tribeoner · March 13, 2010, 4:53pm

[quote]smith machine wrote:
I am 20% bf now @ 5’11.5 and 260 lb and about to go into a cutting cycle in 2 and a bit weeks.