[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
It also should be noted that Patrick Willis is a fuckin bad ass on the field.[/quote]
Fixed that for you
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Yeah, that formula has some flaws. Only the biggest and most charismatic get a shot at that. A good many others and even some that do get that chance end up with chronic pain and drug dependency problems and a much shorter lifespan.
I know most people don’t care to look that far into it, but I’ve seen first hand, guys like Mike Webster. He would come work with the local youth football teams when I was a kid. He was a very nice guy who eventually ended up dead due in large part to the injuries sustained during his career and the standard of care and practical treatment of them.
There is a long list of bodies stacking up behind that system.
[/quote]
Agreed Mike Ditka is one of the guys leading the way with this, however try to convince the older population the reality of HGH or Test. I just think we are to far gone down the pathway of “evil” roids to convince the uneducated populace the truth. Part of the system is broke no doubt, but the banning of PED and other drugs I just dont see an alternative.[/quote]
…as if people can’t see that they are using sports to maintain that stigma. No discussion can take place as long as the debate is as basic as “testosterone is bad in sports…therefore, testosterone is bad…look, some guy became a Nazi because of it!!!”
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I know nothing of OAS, but I imagine that if it were a real thing then every athlete on the planet would be afflicted by it.[/quote]
Yea because everyones body is exactly the same and reacts to every situation in the exact same fashion.
Apparently the Texans are moving forward with the presentation knowing that they have no chance of reducing the current suspension, but laying ground work and protection if Cushing tests positive again for something he claims he cannot control, which makes sense. We’ll just have to see if the NFL if buying.[/quote]
Sorry it is more like ASS instead of OAS. He needs to just shut up and let this die, the more he opens his mouth a more of a jackass he is looking like. Take your punishment and move on.[/quote]
Bingo. The guy juiced and got caught. It’s really that simple. Shut up and deal with it.[/quote]
I think the owner is just grasping at straws, he knows the Cush is the 2nd best player on his defense. He wants to make the playoffs this year more than anything.[/quote]
Why do you guys want them to fail at this? As it stands, an athlete can’t even get HRT if needed until they quit playing. If they have ED, they can’t treat it with test. I just find it odd that on a site like this, people still seem to sound like ESPN puppets.[/quote]
Sorry doc not what I am saying, my comment was the rules are the rules, he got caught. Do his time and get back on the field. I dont think Cushing’s case can change the NFL’s stand on performance enhancing drugs. This age group of players should NEVER have ED. If they do playing football should be the lest of their concerns. Again not arguing over the roids are the evil, my argument is there are rules period and he broke them.[/quote]
Ignorance is bliss
amirite guyz??
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Yeah, that formula has some flaws. Only the biggest and most charismatic get a shot at that. A good many others and even some that do get that chance end up with chronic pain and drug dependency problems and a much shorter lifespan.
I know most people don’t care to look that far into it, but I’ve seen first hand, guys like Mike Webster. He would come work with the local youth football teams when I was a kid. He was a very nice guy who eventually ended up dead due in large part to the injuries sustained during his career and the standard of care and practical treatment of them.
There is a long list of bodies stacking up behind that system.
[/quote]
Agreed Mike Ditka is one of the guys leading the way with this, however try to convince the older population the reality of HGH or Test. I just think we are to far gone down the pathway of “evil” roids to convince the uneducated populace the truth. Part of the system is broke no doubt, but the banning of PED and other drugs I just dont see an alternative.[/quote]
…as if people can’t see that they are using sports to maintain that stigma. No discussion can take place as long as the debate is as basic as “testosterone is bad in sports…therefore, testosterone is bad…look, some guy became a Nazi because of it!!!”
[/quote]
Agreed but to fight a battle like this takes time and a good game plan. Like I said using a guy who broke the rules and is using lame ass excuses to get out of it is not the poster child. If someone like Ditka, Peyton Manning or Jerry Rice were to come out with the truth then you might get some where, however that would be social suicide right now.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I know nothing of OAS, but I imagine that if it were a real thing then every athlete on the planet would be afflicted by it.[/quote]
Yea because everyones body is exactly the same and reacts to every situation in the exact same fashion.
Apparently the Texans are moving forward with the presentation knowing that they have no chance of reducing the current suspension, but laying ground work and protection if Cushing tests positive again for something he claims he cannot control, which makes sense. We’ll just have to see if the NFL if buying.[/quote]
Sorry it is more like ASS instead of OAS. He needs to just shut up and let this die, the more he opens his mouth a more of a jackass he is looking like. Take your punishment and move on.[/quote]
Bingo. The guy juiced and got caught. It’s really that simple. Shut up and deal with it.[/quote]
I think the owner is just grasping at straws, he knows the Cush is the 2nd best player on his defense. He wants to make the playoffs this year more than anything.[/quote]
Why do you guys want them to fail at this? As it stands, an athlete can’t even get HRT if needed until they quit playing. If they have ED, they can’t treat it with test. I just find it odd that on a site like this, people still seem to sound like ESPN puppets.[/quote]
Sorry doc not what I am saying, my comment was the rules are the rules, he got caught. Do his time and get back on the field. I dont think Cushing’s case can change the NFL’s stand on performance enhancing drugs. This age group of players should NEVER have ED. If they do playing football should be the lest of their concerns. Again not arguing over the roids are the evil, my argument is there are rules period and he broke them.[/quote]
Ignorance is bliss
amirite guyz??[/quote]
Sorry bonez not following? Ignorant on roids, the social stigma, the rules of the CBA, or the fact that just because we dont agree with something gives us the right to not follow the rules? Not being an ass I know your stance on the roids topic. I just do not think to change a system you do stupid shit like break the rules and then claim made up diagnosis.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Yeah, that formula has some flaws. Only the biggest and most charismatic get a shot at that. A good many others and even some that do get that chance end up with chronic pain and drug dependency problems and a much shorter lifespan.
I know most people don’t care to look that far into it, but I’ve seen first hand, guys like Mike Webster. He would come work with the local youth football teams when I was a kid. He was a very nice guy who eventually ended up dead due in large part to the injuries sustained during his career and the standard of care and practical treatment of them.
There is a long list of bodies stacking up behind that system.
[/quote]
Agreed Mike Ditka is one of the guys leading the way with this, however try to convince the older population the reality of HGH or Test. I just think we are to far gone down the pathway of “evil” roids to convince the uneducated populace the truth. Part of the system is broke no doubt, but the banning of PED and other drugs I just dont see an alternative.[/quote]
It takes time, but I do believe that the general population, and in particular, my age group (middle aged guys) will break through it. It has taken a couple of years, but I predicted the mode and mechanisms by which TRT would become mainstream in a thread at the time of “Operation Raw Deal”. Some may have thought that I was a window licking lunatic at the time, but look at the “Is it low T” commercials and pop-ups that have pervaded television and the internet at this point.
It takes time and effort, and most importantly, results. Mainstreaming therapeutic use of anabolics is a big step in the right direction. It will become a lot more palatable when the middle aged couch potato crowd get a working set of pipes to hammer their wives with, some emotional stability (instead of the test levels of a pre-pubescent girl) and remember what it felt like to actually be a man.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I know nothing of OAS, but I imagine that if it were a real thing then every athlete on the planet would be afflicted by it.[/quote]
Yea because everyones body is exactly the same and reacts to every situation in the exact same fashion.
Apparently the Texans are moving forward with the presentation knowing that they have no chance of reducing the current suspension, but laying ground work and protection if Cushing tests positive again for something he claims he cannot control, which makes sense. We’ll just have to see if the NFL if buying.[/quote]
Sorry it is more like ASS instead of OAS. He needs to just shut up and let this die, the more he opens his mouth a more of a jackass he is looking like. Take your punishment and move on.[/quote]
Bingo. The guy juiced and got caught. It’s really that simple. Shut up and deal with it.[/quote]
I think the owner is just grasping at straws, he knows the Cush is the 2nd best player on his defense. He wants to make the playoffs this year more than anything.[/quote]
Why do you guys want them to fail at this? As it stands, an athlete can’t even get HRT if needed until they quit playing. If they have ED, they can’t treat it with test. I just find it odd that on a site like this, people still seem to sound like ESPN puppets.[/quote]
Sorry doc not what I am saying, my comment was the rules are the rules, he got caught. Do his time and get back on the field. I dont think Cushing’s case can change the NFL’s stand on performance enhancing drugs. This age group of players should NEVER have ED. If they do playing football should be the lest of their concerns. Again not arguing over the roids are the evil, my argument is there are rules period and he broke them.[/quote]
Ignorance is bliss
amirite guyz??[/quote]
Sorry bonez not following? Ignorant on roids, the social stigma, the rules of the CBA, or the fact that just because we dont agree with something gives us the right to not follow the rules? Not being an ass I know your stance on the roids topic. I just do not think to change a system you do stupid shit like break the rules and then claim made up diagnosis. [/quote]
The truth is, the ONLY two people who need to be aware of any diagnosis to begin with are a patient and their doctor who made the diagnosis.
This society is screwed up in that this is no longer the case.
This shouldn’t even be a public matter.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
This age group of players should NEVER have ED. If they do playing football should be the lest of their concerns.
Sorry bonez not following? Ignorant on roids, the social stigma, the rules of the CBA, or the fact that just because we dont agree with something gives us the right to not follow the rules? Not being an ass I know your stance on the roids topic. I just do not think to change a system you do stupid shit like break the rules and then claim made up diagnosis. [/quote]
I think his comment on ignorance is bliss is due to the first statement you made above about someone that age group “should NEVER have ED” you never know what type of medical or stress issues that he’s dealing with that could lead to ED.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
This age group of players should NEVER have ED. If they do playing football should be the lest of their concerns.
Sorry bonez not following? Ignorant on roids, the social stigma, the rules of the CBA, or the fact that just because we dont agree with something gives us the right to not follow the rules? Not being an ass I know your stance on the roids topic. I just do not think to change a system you do stupid shit like break the rules and then claim made up diagnosis. [/quote]
I think his comment on ignorance is bliss is due to the first statement you made above about someone that age group “should NEVER have ED” you never know what type of medical or stress issues that he’s dealing with that could lead to ED.[/quote]
I have to agree here. ED is NOT caused by age. Stress, high blood pressure, lack of sleep and several other factors can cause it. This is why laypeople SHOULDN’T BE IN ANY SORT OF CONTROL ABOUT HOW OTHER PATIENTS ARE TREATED BY THEIR OWN DOCS.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I know nothing of OAS, but I imagine that if it were a real thing then every athlete on the planet would be afflicted by it.[/quote]
Yea because everyones body is exactly the same and reacts to every situation in the exact same fashion.
Apparently the Texans are moving forward with the presentation knowing that they have no chance of reducing the current suspension, but laying ground work and protection if Cushing tests positive again for something he claims he cannot control, which makes sense. We’ll just have to see if the NFL if buying.[/quote]
Sorry it is more like ASS instead of OAS. He needs to just shut up and let this die, the more he opens his mouth a more of a jackass he is looking like. Take your punishment and move on.[/quote]
Bingo. The guy juiced and got caught. It’s really that simple. Shut up and deal with it.[/quote]
I think the owner is just grasping at straws, he knows the Cush is the 2nd best player on his defense. He wants to make the playoffs this year more than anything.[/quote]
Why do you guys want them to fail at this? As it stands, an athlete can’t even get HRT if needed until they quit playing. If they have ED, they can’t treat it with test. I just find it odd that on a site like this, people still seem to sound like ESPN puppets.[/quote]
Sorry doc not what I am saying, my comment was the rules are the rules, he got caught. Do his time and get back on the field. I dont think Cushing’s case can change the NFL’s stand on performance enhancing drugs. This age group of players should NEVER have ED. If they do playing football should be the lest of their concerns. Again not arguing over the roids are the evil, my argument is there are rules period and he broke them.[/quote]
Ignorance is bliss
amirite guyz??[/quote]
Sorry bonez not following? Ignorant on roids, the social stigma, the rules of the CBA, or the fact that just because we dont agree with something gives us the right to not follow the rules? Not being an ass I know your stance on the roids topic. I just do not think to change a system you do stupid shit like break the rules and then claim made up diagnosis. [/quote]
Your comment about ED is ignorant.
How do you think rules get changed? Someone has to be the example. Things dont get done just by tapping on someones shoulder. You have to stomp on their foot sometimes. What if he DOES actually have a medical problem. The NFL is slapping him in the face. If he did use hCG to stimulate LH and raise his testoerone level for a competitive edge, suspend him.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I know nothing of OAS, but I imagine that if it were a real thing then every athlete on the planet would be afflicted by it.[/quote]
Yea because everyones body is exactly the same and reacts to every situation in the exact same fashion.
Apparently the Texans are moving forward with the presentation knowing that they have no chance of reducing the current suspension, but laying ground work and protection if Cushing tests positive again for something he claims he cannot control, which makes sense. We’ll just have to see if the NFL if buying.[/quote]
Sorry it is more like ASS instead of OAS. He needs to just shut up and let this die, the more he opens his mouth a more of a jackass he is looking like. Take your punishment and move on.[/quote]
Bingo. The guy juiced and got caught. It’s really that simple. Shut up and deal with it.[/quote]
I think the owner is just grasping at straws, he knows the Cush is the 2nd best player on his defense. He wants to make the playoffs this year more than anything.[/quote]
Why do you guys want them to fail at this? As it stands, an athlete can’t even get HRT if needed until they quit playing. If they have ED, they can’t treat it with test. I just find it odd that on a site like this, people still seem to sound like ESPN puppets.[/quote]
Sorry doc not what I am saying, my comment was the rules are the rules, he got caught. Do his time and get back on the field. I dont think Cushing’s case can change the NFL’s stand on performance enhancing drugs. This age group of players should NEVER have ED. If they do playing football should be the lest of their concerns. Again not arguing over the roids are the evil, my argument is there are rules period and he broke them.[/quote]
Ignorance is bliss
amirite guyz??[/quote]
Sorry bonez not following? Ignorant on roids, the social stigma, the rules of the CBA, or the fact that just because we dont agree with something gives us the right to not follow the rules? Not being an ass I know your stance on the roids topic. I just do not think to change a system you do stupid shit like break the rules and then claim made up diagnosis. [/quote]
Your comment about ED is ignorant.
How do you think rules get changed? Someone has to be the example. Things dont get done just by tapping on someones shoulder. You have to stomp on their foot sometimes. What if he DOES actually have a medical problem. The NFL is slapping him in the face. If he did use hCG to stimulate LH and raise his testoerone level for a competitive edge, suspend him. [/quote]
Bonez I have been in the medical field for almost 20 years, I know all the medical conditions that he could possibly have. I can write the scripts to treat ED. If a man of that age really does have ED then 1. it is psychological 2. blood flow problem (diabetes, heart failure etc) or 3. Cancer. Dont assume that someone is ignorant just because they do not agree with your method of change. Again I am not arguing the “roids” is evil, we live in a society when you do stomp on someones foot, your ass ends up in jail.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I know nothing of OAS, but I imagine that if it were a real thing then every athlete on the planet would be afflicted by it.[/quote]
Yea because everyones body is exactly the same and reacts to every situation in the exact same fashion.
Apparently the Texans are moving forward with the presentation knowing that they have no chance of reducing the current suspension, but laying ground work and protection if Cushing tests positive again for something he claims he cannot control, which makes sense. We’ll just have to see if the NFL if buying.[/quote]
Sorry it is more like ASS instead of OAS. He needs to just shut up and let this die, the more he opens his mouth a more of a jackass he is looking like. Take your punishment and move on.[/quote]
Bingo. The guy juiced and got caught. It’s really that simple. Shut up and deal with it.[/quote]
I think the owner is just grasping at straws, he knows the Cush is the 2nd best player on his defense. He wants to make the playoffs this year more than anything.[/quote]
Why do you guys want them to fail at this? As it stands, an athlete can’t even get HRT if needed until they quit playing. If they have ED, they can’t treat it with test. I just find it odd that on a site like this, people still seem to sound like ESPN puppets.[/quote]
Sorry doc not what I am saying, my comment was the rules are the rules, he got caught. Do his time and get back on the field. I dont think Cushing’s case can change the NFL’s stand on performance enhancing drugs. This age group of players should NEVER have ED. If they do playing football should be the lest of their concerns. Again not arguing over the roids are the evil, my argument is there are rules period and he broke them.[/quote]
Ignorance is bliss
amirite guyz??[/quote]
Sorry bonez not following? Ignorant on roids, the social stigma, the rules of the CBA, or the fact that just because we dont agree with something gives us the right to not follow the rules? Not being an ass I know your stance on the roids topic. I just do not think to change a system you do stupid shit like break the rules and then claim made up diagnosis. [/quote]
Your comment about ED is ignorant.
How do you think rules get changed? Someone has to be the example. Things dont get done just by tapping on someones shoulder. You have to stomp on their foot sometimes. What if he DOES actually have a medical problem. The NFL is slapping him in the face. If he did use hCG to stimulate LH and raise his testoerone level for a competitive edge, suspend him. [/quote]
Bonez I have been in the medical field for almost 20 years, I know all the medical conditions that he could possibly have. I can write the scripts to treat ED. If a man of that age really does have ED then 1. it is psychological 2. blood flow problem (diabetes, heart failure etc) or 3. Cancer. Dont assume that someone is ignorant just because they do not agree with your method of change. Again I am not arguing the “roids” is evil, we live in a society when you do stomp on someones foot, your ass ends up in jail. [/quote]
You end up in jail when you lie about stomping on someones foot.
So youre saying that a 25 year man cant have ED because of naturally low T? Or excess aromatase enzyme (that leads to above normal range E2 levels)? This doesnt really have much to do with what cushing is saying his problem is but I think it’s relevant to the general discussion.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I know nothing of OAS, but I imagine that if it were a real thing then every athlete on the planet would be afflicted by it.[/quote]
Yea because everyones body is exactly the same and reacts to every situation in the exact same fashion.
Apparently the Texans are moving forward with the presentation knowing that they have no chance of reducing the current suspension, but laying ground work and protection if Cushing tests positive again for something he claims he cannot control, which makes sense. We’ll just have to see if the NFL if buying.[/quote]
Sorry it is more like ASS instead of OAS. He needs to just shut up and let this die, the more he opens his mouth a more of a jackass he is looking like. Take your punishment and move on.[/quote]
Bingo. The guy juiced and got caught. It’s really that simple. Shut up and deal with it.[/quote]
I think the owner is just grasping at straws, he knows the Cush is the 2nd best player on his defense. He wants to make the playoffs this year more than anything.[/quote]
Why do you guys want them to fail at this? As it stands, an athlete can’t even get HRT if needed until they quit playing. If they have ED, they can’t treat it with test. I just find it odd that on a site like this, people still seem to sound like ESPN puppets.[/quote]
Sorry doc not what I am saying, my comment was the rules are the rules, he got caught. Do his time and get back on the field. I dont think Cushing’s case can change the NFL’s stand on performance enhancing drugs. This age group of players should NEVER have ED. If they do playing football should be the lest of their concerns. Again not arguing over the roids are the evil, my argument is there are rules period and he broke them.[/quote]
Ignorance is bliss
amirite guyz??[/quote]
Sorry bonez not following? Ignorant on roids, the social stigma, the rules of the CBA, or the fact that just because we dont agree with something gives us the right to not follow the rules? Not being an ass I know your stance on the roids topic. I just do not think to change a system you do stupid shit like break the rules and then claim made up diagnosis. [/quote]
Your comment about ED is ignorant.
How do you think rules get changed? Someone has to be the example. Things dont get done just by tapping on someones shoulder. You have to stomp on their foot sometimes. What if he DOES actually have a medical problem. The NFL is slapping him in the face. If he did use hCG to stimulate LH and raise his testoerone level for a competitive edge, suspend him. [/quote]
Bonez I have been in the medical field for almost 20 years, I know all the medical conditions that he could possibly have. I can write the scripts to treat ED. If a man of that age really does have ED then 1. it is psychological 2. blood flow problem (diabetes, heart failure etc) or 3. Cancer. Dont assume that someone is ignorant just because they do not agree with your method of change. Again I am not arguing the “roids” is evil, we live in a society when you do stomp on someones foot, your ass ends up in jail. [/quote]
You end up in jail when you lie about stomping on someones foot.
So youre saying that a 25 year man cant have ED because of naturally low T? Or excess aromatase enzyme (that leads to above normal range E2 levels)? This doesnt really have much to do with what cushing is saying his problem is but I think it’s relevant to the general discussion. [/quote]
You are correct a 25 year old man can have these but there is a cause a malformation that is not caused by external influence. In this case he was tested last year and was given the time to rebut his case, he failed to prove medically he had a condition that caused his abnormal lab result. Again Bonez I respect what you and Doc are saying, increasing awareness to the truth is the way to make change. That takes time, we just do not live in a society today were brut force achieves your goal. We have to be smarter than the masses and that means a game plan to win them on your side. Nice discussion by the way, I knew I could have a discussion with you without insulting each other.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
This age group of players should NEVER have ED. If they do playing football should be the lest of their concerns.[/quote]
This^^^
[quote]DJHT wrote:
I have been in the medical field for almost 20 years, I know all the medical conditions that he could possibly have.[/quote]
and then this^^
Whaaaaaat??? so someone that age “should NEVER have ED” and then you know all the conditions he could have that would cause it? I’m confused
EDIT: I’m actually just pointing this out and Im realizing that its kind of a nit picking dick head move… Dont take it personally man I didnt really mean it. No offense DJHT 
Heres a theory
HGH use is extremely widespread in american sports. HGH is also quite expensive. Even for those willing to pay top dollar to a pharmacist it is hard to get a doctor or pharmacist to write a script for pharmaceutical grade stuff. So often guys will find a Chinese distributor and buy generic chinese stuff. The problem with that is its never a guarentee that youre dealing with a good source. Often times the dealers in China will replace hGH with hCG. Both are lypholized powders that need to be reconsituted. They look identical. I heard a few stories of guys ordering GH and getting hCG instead. HGH is about 10x more expensive than hCG. Huge profit potential for switching the two
My guess is that guys or their trainers are ordering hGH and are getting scammed. THey think their using hGH but are actually injecting hCG. So they make up excuses why they test positive for hCG because they cant say that the Chinese folk screwed them over.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
This age group of players should NEVER have ED. If they do playing football should be the lest of their concerns.[/quote]
This^^^
[quote]DJHT wrote:
I have been in the medical field for almost 20 years, I know all the medical conditions that he could possibly have.[/quote]
and then this^^
Whaaaaaat??? so someone that age “should NEVER have ED” and then you know all the conditions he could have that would cause it? I’m confused
EDIT: I’m actually just pointing this out and Im realizing that its kind of a nit picking dick head move… Dont take it personally man I didnt really mean it. No offense DJHT :)[/quote]
Its cool, my point is guys that are young healthy playing in the NFL are not “normally” unhealthy. Guys with ED at this age have medical conditions that they could not play in the NFL. You know a 400 pound guy with Diabetes and hypertension.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Heres a theory
HGH use is extremely widespread in american sports. HGH is also quite expensive. Even for those willing to pay top dollar to a pharmacist it is hard to get a doctor or pharmacist to write a script for pharmaceutical grade stuff. So often guys will find a Chinese distributor and buy generic chinese stuff. The problem with that is its never a guarentee that youre dealing with a good source. Often times the dealers in China will replace hGH with hCG. Both are lypholized powders that need to be reconsituted. They look identical. I heard a few stories of guys ordering GH and getting hCG instead. HGH is about 10x more expensive than hCG. Huge profit potential for switching the two
My guess is that guys or their trainers are ordering hGH and are getting scammed. THey think their using hGH but are actually injecting hCG. So they make up excuses why they test positive for hCG because they cant say that the Chinese folk screwed them over. [/quote]
Very interesting. Kinda like the idea that most of the black market stuff labeled as EQ, sust, whatever, is actually just test.
And you’re saying that they substitute it with hCG because teh hCG will give them enough of a benefit that they think they are on real stuff (as opposed to just switching it out completely with, I dunno, some other powder that is even cheaper but would do nothing)?
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Heres a theory
HGH use is extremely widespread in american sports. HGH is also quite expensive. Even for those willing to pay top dollar to a pharmacist it is hard to get a doctor or pharmacist to write a script for pharmaceutical grade stuff. So often guys will find a Chinese distributor and buy generic chinese stuff. The problem with that is its never a guarentee that youre dealing with a good source. Often times the dealers in China will replace hGH with hCG. Both are lypholized powders that need to be reconsituted. They look identical. I heard a few stories of guys ordering GH and getting hCG instead. HGH is about 10x more expensive than hCG. Huge profit potential for switching the two
My guess is that guys or their trainers are ordering hGH and are getting scammed. THey think their using hGH but are actually injecting hCG. So they make up excuses why they test positive for hCG because they cant say that the Chinese folk screwed them over. [/quote]
While I find your description to be fairly accurate, I find it highly unlikely that professional athletes and their trainers would fail to obtain legitimate HGH.
This practice may constitute dosages potentially upward of 2500icu! That amount of HcG taken ED over an extended period of time will flat out ruin your body’s ability to recover your natural production of Testosterone. I’m not stating this to support whether or not professional athletes would be duped or not, but rather what I feel would be an extremely unethical practice. That’s not to say some asshole out there wouldn’t do it, simply stating that I would be pissed if I were on the receiving end of this little switcharoo. It would be a shitty thing to do. That pun was unintentional btw haha (HcG=female urine:)
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Heres a theory
HGH use is extremely widespread in american sports. HGH is also quite expensive. Even for those willing to pay top dollar to a pharmacist it is hard to get a doctor or pharmacist to write a script for pharmaceutical grade stuff. So often guys will find a Chinese distributor and buy generic chinese stuff. The problem with that is its never a guarentee that youre dealing with a good source. Often times the dealers in China will replace hGH with hCG. Both are lypholized powders that need to be reconsituted. They look identical. I heard a few stories of guys ordering GH and getting hCG instead. HGH is about 10x more expensive than hCG. Huge profit potential for switching the two
My guess is that guys or their trainers are ordering hGH and are getting scammed. THey think their using hGH but are actually injecting hCG. So they make up excuses why they test positive for hCG because they cant say that the Chinese folk screwed them over. [/quote]
Very interesting. Kinda like the idea that most of the black market stuff labeled as EQ, sust, whatever, is actually just test.
And you’re saying that they substitute it with hCG because teh hCG will give them enough of a benefit that they think they are on real stuff (as opposed to just switching it out completely with, I dunno, some other powder that is even cheaper but would do nothing)?[/quote]
I believe the reason he is stating this to be because they are in fact identical. A clear vial with a powder tab in the bottom that looks much like a white Smartie. Someone that would pull a stunt like this would purchase the HcG and resell as HGH to turn their profit rather than attempt to duplicate the actual manufacture with raw materials
[quote]Mousse wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Heres a theory
HGH use is extremely widespread in american sports. HGH is also quite expensive. Even for those willing to pay top dollar to a pharmacist it is hard to get a doctor or pharmacist to write a script for pharmaceutical grade stuff. So often guys will find a Chinese distributor and buy generic chinese stuff. The problem with that is its never a guarentee that youre dealing with a good source. Often times the dealers in China will replace hGH with hCG. Both are lypholized powders that need to be reconsituted. They look identical. I heard a few stories of guys ordering GH and getting hCG instead. HGH is about 10x more expensive than hCG. Huge profit potential for switching the two
My guess is that guys or their trainers are ordering hGH and are getting scammed. THey think their using hGH but are actually injecting hCG. So they make up excuses why they test positive for hCG because they cant say that the Chinese folk screwed them over. [/quote]
While I find your description to be fairly accurate, I find it highly unlikely that professional athletes and their trainers would fail to obtain legitimate HGH.
This practice may constitute dosages potentially upward of 2500icu! That amount of HcG taken ED over an extended period of time will flat out ruin your body’s ability to recover your natural production of Testosterone. I’m not stating this to support whether or not professional athletes would be duped or not, but rather what I feel would be an extremely unethical practice. That’s not to say some asshole out there wouldn’t do it, simply stating that I would be pissed if I were on the receiving end of this little switcharoo. It would be a shitty thing to do. That pun was unintentional btw haha (HcG=female urine:)
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The existence of “selective scammers” makes it very possible. The dealer will sell good product a few times then as the buyer becomes more comfortable making larger purchases the dealer will swap GH for hCG and make a huge profit. The athletes may get good GH a bunch of times then out of nowhere get hCG and are completely unsuspecting, hence the positive drug test on a drug with a 33 hour half life (something that should never happen because it’s not realy difficult to calculate a clearance time). And unless you are getting your drugs from a doctor/pharmacy there is no way to know what you are getting. It all comes down to trusting the source.
Yes it is definitely unethical. But it happens all the time. People buy trenbolone and pay upwards of $100 for a gram of finished product but the guy selling it gives them testosterone that costs $50 for 2.5g.
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