bump.
anyone heard of ‘overtrained athlete syndrome’ or can comment on its merits from an endocrine system standpoint?
Personally I think it sounds like the texans searched high and low till they found a doctor willing to say what they wanted.
But I don’t know anything about this.
And the sports writers weighing in on this are so irritating given that I’m confident that they know a lot less than I do.
[quote]Eli B wrote:
bump.
anyone heard of ‘overtrained athlete syndrome’ or can comment on its merits from an endocrine system standpoint?
Personally I think it sounds like the texans searched high and low till they found a doctor willing to say what they wanted.
But I don’t know anything about this.
And the sports writers weighing in on this are so irritating given that I’m confident that they know a lot less than I do.[/quote]
Just read about this on Deadspin, I was wondering the same DOUBLEBUMP
I know nothing of OAS, but I imagine that if it were a real thing then every athlete on the planet would be afflicted by it.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I know nothing of OAS, but I imagine that if it were a real thing then every athlete on the planet would be afflicted by it.[/quote]
Yea because everyones body is exactly the same and reacts to every situation in the exact same fashion.
Apparently the Texans are moving forward with the presentation knowing that they have no chance of reducing the current suspension, but laying ground work and protection if Cushing tests positive again for something he claims he cannot control, which makes sense. We’ll just have to see if the NFL if buying.
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I know nothing of OAS, but I imagine that if it were a real thing then every athlete on the planet would be afflicted by it.[/quote]
Yea because everyones body is exactly the same and reacts to every situation in the exact same fashion.
Apparently the Texans are moving forward with the presentation knowing that they have no chance of reducing the current suspension, but laying ground work and protection if Cushing tests positive again for something he claims he cannot control, which makes sense. We’ll just have to see if the NFL if buying.[/quote]
Sorry it is more like ASS instead of OAS. He needs to just shut up and let this die, the more he opens his mouth a more of a jackass he is looking like. Take your punishment and move on.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I know nothing of OAS, but I imagine that if it were a real thing then every athlete on the planet would be afflicted by it.[/quote]
Yea because everyones body is exactly the same and reacts to every situation in the exact same fashion.
Apparently the Texans are moving forward with the presentation knowing that they have no chance of reducing the current suspension, but laying ground work and protection if Cushing tests positive again for something he claims he cannot control, which makes sense. We’ll just have to see if the NFL if buying.[/quote]
Sorry it is more like ASS instead of OAS. He needs to just shut up and let this die, the more he opens his mouth a more of a jackass he is looking like. Take your punishment and move on.[/quote]
Bingo. The guy juiced and got caught. It’s really that simple. Shut up and deal with it.
Or maybe he was pregnant and got an abortion. Hence no baby bump
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I know nothing of OAS, but I imagine that if it were a real thing then every athlete on the planet would be afflicted by it.[/quote]
Yea because everyones body is exactly the same and reacts to every situation in the exact same fashion.
Apparently the Texans are moving forward with the presentation knowing that they have no chance of reducing the current suspension, but laying ground work and protection if Cushing tests positive again for something he claims he cannot control, which makes sense. We’ll just have to see if the NFL if buying.[/quote]
Sorry it is more like ASS instead of OAS. He needs to just shut up and let this die, the more he opens his mouth a more of a jackass he is looking like. Take your punishment and move on.[/quote]
Bingo. The guy juiced and got caught. It’s really that simple. Shut up and deal with it.[/quote]
I think the owner is just grasping at straws, he knows the Cush is the 2nd best player on his defense. He wants to make the playoffs this year more than anything.
[quote]waldo21212 wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
An update that I think will interest some of you, Cushing insists that he didn’t take steroids:
Sports writters may be more bitter than anyone else on the planet - those guys seem to have an endless supply of haterade.[/quote]
Except Bill Simmons.
Where is the DeFranco “rant” ? I didn’t see it anywhere on that page.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I know nothing of OAS, but I imagine that if it were a real thing then every athlete on the planet would be afflicted by it.[/quote]
Yea because everyones body is exactly the same and reacts to every situation in the exact same fashion.
Apparently the Texans are moving forward with the presentation knowing that they have no chance of reducing the current suspension, but laying ground work and protection if Cushing tests positive again for something he claims he cannot control, which makes sense. We’ll just have to see if the NFL if buying.[/quote]
Sorry it is more like ASS instead of OAS. He needs to just shut up and let this die, the more he opens his mouth a more of a jackass he is looking like. Take your punishment and move on.[/quote]
Bingo. The guy juiced and got caught. It’s really that simple. Shut up and deal with it.[/quote]
I think the owner is just grasping at straws, he knows the Cush is the 2nd best player on his defense. He wants to make the playoffs this year more than anything.[/quote]
Why do you guys want them to fail at this? As it stands, an athlete can’t even get HRT if needed until they quit playing. If they have ED, they can’t treat it with test. I just find it odd that on a site like this, people still seem to sound like ESPN puppets.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I know nothing of OAS, but I imagine that if it were a real thing then every athlete on the planet would be afflicted by it.[/quote]
Yea because everyones body is exactly the same and reacts to every situation in the exact same fashion.
Apparently the Texans are moving forward with the presentation knowing that they have no chance of reducing the current suspension, but laying ground work and protection if Cushing tests positive again for something he claims he cannot control, which makes sense. We’ll just have to see if the NFL if buying.[/quote]
Sorry it is more like ASS instead of OAS. He needs to just shut up and let this die, the more he opens his mouth a more of a jackass he is looking like. Take your punishment and move on.[/quote]
Bingo. The guy juiced and got caught. It’s really that simple. Shut up and deal with it.[/quote]
I think the owner is just grasping at straws, he knows the Cush is the 2nd best player on his defense. He wants to make the playoffs this year more than anything.[/quote]
Why do you guys want them to fail at this? As it stands, an athlete can’t even get HRT if needed until they quit playing. If they have ED, they can’t treat it with test. I just find it odd that on a site like this, people still seem to sound like ESPN puppets.[/quote]
Sorry doc not what I am saying, my comment was the rules are the rules, he got caught. Do his time and get back on the field. I dont think Cushing’s case can change the NFL’s stand on performance enhancing drugs. This age group of players should NEVER have ED. If they do playing football should be the lest of their concerns. Again not arguing over the roids are the evil, my argument is there are rules period and he broke them.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I know nothing of OAS, but I imagine that if it were a real thing then every athlete on the planet would be afflicted by it.[/quote]
Yea because everyones body is exactly the same and reacts to every situation in the exact same fashion.
Apparently the Texans are moving forward with the presentation knowing that they have no chance of reducing the current suspension, but laying ground work and protection if Cushing tests positive again for something he claims he cannot control, which makes sense. We’ll just have to see if the NFL if buying.[/quote]
Sorry it is more like ASS instead of OAS. He needs to just shut up and let this die, the more he opens his mouth a more of a jackass he is looking like. Take your punishment and move on.[/quote]
Bingo. The guy juiced and got caught. It’s really that simple. Shut up and deal with it.[/quote]
I think the owner is just grasping at straws, he knows the Cush is the 2nd best player on his defense. He wants to make the playoffs this year more than anything.[/quote]
Why do you guys want them to fail at this? As it stands, an athlete can’t even get HRT if needed until they quit playing. If they have ED, they can’t treat it with test. I just find it odd that on a site like this, people still seem to sound like ESPN puppets.[/quote]
Sorry if this ends up a double post
^^^ My thoughts as well. I personally don’t think juicing is wrong sice EVERYONE out their is using something. He’s not gaining an advantage, he’s evening the odds.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why do you guys want them to fail at this? As it stands, an athlete can’t even get HRT if needed until they quit playing. If they have ED, they can’t treat it with test. I just find it odd that on a site like this, people still seem to sound like ESPN puppets.[/quote]
This ban on performance enhancing substances seems ridiculous to me. I have felt for quite some time that these guys should, as an option, be able to undertake medically supervised use of anabolics. The demands of their play and practice schedules dictate that they train constantly in season, and perform at the top of their game EVERY week, for the entire season, through out their careers.
If there was any other profession that ran people into the ground, and essentially left them physically handicapped by the age of 35 like professional football does, every occupational regulatory body in the U.S. would work together to shut it down or change it.
It just seems entirely unreasonable to deprive these guys of something that would help them to recover from injury faster and increase their quality of life in the long term, just to propagate the myth of super human performance and hero worship that the NFL is selling.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why do you guys want them to fail at this? As it stands, an athlete can’t even get HRT if needed until they quit playing. If they have ED, they can’t treat it with test. I just find it odd that on a site like this, people still seem to sound like ESPN puppets.[/quote]
This ban on performance enhancing substances seems ridiculous to me. I have felt for quite some time that these guys should, as an option, be able to undertake medically supervised use of anabolics. The demands of their play and practice schedules dictate that they train constantly in season, and perform at the top of their game EVERY week, for the entire season, through out their careers.
If there was any other profession that ran people into the ground, and essentially left them physically handicapped by the age of 35 like professional football does, every occupational regulatory body in the U.S. would work together to shut it down or change it.
It just seems entirely unreasonable to deprive these guys of something that would help them to recover from injury faster and increase their quality of life in the long term, just to propagate the myth of super human performance and hero worship that the NFL is selling.
[/quote]
I suspect that this is already happening, and some guys just get caught. There has to be a ban cause then where do you draw the line of enough is enough? You could get a Dr to overdose you on anything happens every day across America.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why do you guys want them to fail at this? As it stands, an athlete can’t even get HRT if needed until they quit playing. If they have ED, they can’t treat it with test. I just find it odd that on a site like this, people still seem to sound like ESPN puppets.[/quote]
This ban on performance enhancing substances seems ridiculous to me. I have felt for quite some time that these guys should, as an option, be able to undertake medically supervised use of anabolics. The demands of their play and practice schedules dictate that they train constantly in season, and perform at the top of their game EVERY week, for the entire season, through out their careers.
If there was any other profession that ran people into the ground, and essentially left them physically handicapped by the age of 35 like professional football does, every occupational regulatory body in the U.S. would work together to shut it down or change it.
It just seems entirely unreasonable to deprive these guys of something that would help them to recover from injury faster and increase their quality of life in the long term, just to propagate the myth of super human performance and hero worship that the NFL is selling.
[/quote]
I suspect that this is already happening, and some guys just get caught. There has to be a ban cause then where do you draw the line of enough is enough? You could get a Dr to overdose you on anything happens every day across America. [/quote]
Not really. A friend of mine is on the medical staff of an NFL team, and hires out as personal physician to a good number of pro athletes. The team DRs. are very strictly controlled by team management and a head physician. There are MDs who will do what ever they are being asked, but the common sentiment is that no one wants to be the one who fucked up and o.d.'d a famous player.
What I’m suggesting is medically supervised and administered by team physician/sports medicine/endocrinologist types of medical intervention, not doctor shopping. The players already do that enough, more often than not seeking pain killers as the quick and easily available solution to much bigger and more long term problems.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why do you guys want them to fail at this? As it stands, an athlete can’t even get HRT if needed until they quit playing. If they have ED, they can’t treat it with test. I just find it odd that on a site like this, people still seem to sound like ESPN puppets.[/quote]
This ban on performance enhancing substances seems ridiculous to me. I have felt for quite some time that these guys should, as an option, be able to undertake medically supervised use of anabolics. The demands of their play and practice schedules dictate that they train constantly in season, and perform at the top of their game EVERY week, for the entire season, through out their careers.
If there was any other profession that ran people into the ground, and essentially left them physically handicapped by the age of 35 like professional football does, every occupational regulatory body in the U.S. would work together to shut it down or change it.
It just seems entirely unreasonable to deprive these guys of something that would help them to recover from injury faster and increase their quality of life in the long term, just to propagate the myth of super human performance and hero worship that the NFL is selling.
[/quote]
I suspect that this is already happening, and some guys just get caught. There has to be a ban cause then where do you draw the line of enough is enough? You could get a Dr to overdose you on anything happens every day across America. [/quote]
Not really. A friend of mine is on the medical staff of an NFL team, and hires out as personal physician to a good number of pro athletes. The team DRs. are very strictly controlled by team management and a head physician. There are MDs who will do what ever they are being asked, but the common sentiment is that no one wants to be the one who fucked up and o.d.'d a famous player.
What I’m suggesting is medically supervised and administered by team physician/sports medicine/endocrinologist types of medical intervention, not doctor shopping. The players already do that enough, more often than not seeking pain killers as the quick and easily available solution to much bigger and more long term problems.
[/quote]
Okay that makes more sense. Again to me to much over site and chances for error. I guess I just think there is not a problem with the system. Dont take anything go and play and get payed the best you can. Retire and go be a sports reporter.
Yeah, that formula has some flaws. Only the biggest and most charismatic get a shot at that. A good many others and even some that do get that chance end up with chronic pain and drug dependency problems and a much shorter lifespan.
I know most people don’t care to look that far into it, but I’ve seen first hand, guys like Mike Webster. He would come work with the local youth football teams when I was a kid. He was a very nice guy who eventually ended up dead due in large part to the injuries sustained during his career and the standard of care and practical treatment of them.
There is a long list of bodies stacking up behind that system.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Yeah, that formula has some flaws. Only the biggest and most charismatic get a shot at that. A good many others and even some that do get that chance end up with chronic pain and drug dependency problems and a much shorter lifespan.
I know most people don’t care to look that far into it, but I’ve seen first hand, guys like Mike Webster. He would come work with the local youth football teams when I was a kid. He was a very nice guy who eventually ended up dead due in large part to the injuries sustained during his career and the standard of care and practical treatment of them.
There is a long list of bodies stacking up behind that system.
[/quote]
Agreed Mike Ditka is one of the guys leading the way with this, however try to convince the older population the reality of HGH or Test. I just think we are to far gone down the pathway of “evil” roids to convince the uneducated populace the truth. Part of the system is broke no doubt, but the banning of PED and other drugs I just dont see an alternative.