Rockscar, I definitely agree that the other post about you was uncalled for, but I don’t think he was putting his life at risk any more than anyone who goes out on a boat for a family vacation. Especially with his experience and training.
It was a freak accident and extremely rare that someone would be killed the way he was.
He didn’t do it for any selfish reasons, or solely for the rush. He was doing what he did to help protect wildlife and save the things that he loved.
It’s far less dangerous than anyone joining the military to fight for what they believe is a just cause.
What would happen if all military personnel were only thinking of their family and not joining because they have a more important life back home?
I’m sure they love their family more than their mission, but they still fight.
Again, I believe that the perceived danger that he put out in his show was far greater than the actual danger he was in. It helped with dramatic effect for ratings, as well as to help show people that they shouldn’t be doing this if they’re not experts themselves.
He was an expert, and had a team of experts with him every time.
His death had little to do with the danger of his job, and there are much more dangerous jobs that people have working construction or in factories than his.
[quote]chinadoll wrote:
I have no fear of losing my life - if I have to save a koala or a crocodile or a kangaroo or a snake, mate, I will save it.
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A man with balls. This quote of his says it all.
If it is meant for everybody to die, I guess it’s the best to leave while doing something you enjoy the most and love doing.
However I just can’t stop thinking about his family, and how are they feeling now. What a shame.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Yes, I get what you are saying. I just feel for the kids.
He’ll never see them graduate, marry, have grandchildren etc. THAT is the worst part of this all.
At some point in his life he must have been thinking this.[/quote]
Scar, that’s the possible price to pay when you’re a pioneer. It’s not different than an off shore worker, a military man, and the various dangerous sports players.
I said it once, and I’ll say it again, we need more people who are that dedicated to preserving wildlife. The average person doesn’t give a fuck about anything other than human interest. They are ignorant to nature and spread that ignorance to their offspring. It’s been my life’s hobby to study, classify, and inform people of what I know about the things we live with and around. I regret not being a field biologist because it is a passion I have, but just was too damn lazy to persue once out of college.
The job I got really took no effort to get and is no way near as rewarding as the work Steve did.
[quote]BigRagoo wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Yes, I get what you are saying. I just feel for the kids.
He’ll never see them graduate, marry, have grandchildren etc. THAT is the worst part of this all.
At some point in his life he must have been thinking this.
Scar, that’s the possible price to pay when you’re a pioneer. It’s not different than an off shore worker, a military man, and the various dangerous sports players.
I said it once, and I’ll say it again, we need more people who are that dedicated to preserving wildlife. The average person doesn’t give a fuck about anything other than human interest. They are ignorant to nature and spread that ignorance to their offspring. It’s been my life’s hobby to study, classify, and inform people of what I know about the things we live with and around. I regret not being a field biologist because it is a passion I have, but just was too damn lazy to persue once out of college.
The job I got really took no effort to get and is no way near as rewarding as the work Steve did. [/quote]
Good posts. People don’t understand that he’s not just another Regis Philbin or Matt Lauer; this guy did good on every level. Not only did he teach kids and adults things without them even realizing it, but he gave so much back off the television screen. The man had a passion. To those who say he died because of stupidity, you have to understand that he was very intelligent. In several areas (especially the Caribbean), “Stingray City”'s are a major tourist spot. Untrained people (including kids) walk and swim amongst the stingrays and none of them are ever harmed. This was truly a freak accident and it has absolutely nothing to do with how “dangerous” he was trying to be.
A lot of things are dangerous when you aren’t trained. Unfortunately, no matter what we think, few people today come anything close to being “trained” in nature.
All these people talking about how he was a trained expert or whatever are really just guessing, unless you’ve wrestled wild crocs yourself how can you really say how safe it is? There aren’t enough people doing it to be able to say based on statistics, so you don’t really know what you’re talking about.
That said whether what he was doing was life threatening or not it was his choice and he did a lot of good for the world in the time he was here. That’s good enough for me.
Finally you can’t really compare this guy to the grizzly man. The grizzly man was batshit crazy (Steve Irwin’s high energy, but if you’ve seen grizzly man you know the guy is constantly about one step away from completely falling apart), and it’s debatable whether his work did anything to help anyone. Many argue that what he did was bad for the grizzlies, since he was teaching them to not fear humans, which could get them killed.
Not everyone can lead as boring and mundane a life as you, Rockscar. He lived on the edge…what’s living on the edge to you, going out to a new restaurant? Or bulking up from 145 to 155?
What prompted this? What makes you think I live a boring and mundane life?
Even more, if I have children, it’s my responsibility to make sure I’m there for them. That’s far from mundane. If I chose to consistantly put my life in danger for a thrill, then I’m irresponsible to my loved ones.
Living on the edge to satisfy your own needs above those of your kids is just wrong.
You have no frame of reference on this one.
While I’m not saying he deserved it, I was saying that he should have put his family and living for them above all things. One way to ensure that would be to get away from playing with death.
This is no different than a hard core drug user continuing to get high for the thrill of it. Is it not?[/quote]
Yes, similar to getting in hairy situations in ones four wheel drive that could kill them.
[quote]PGA200X wrote:
This isnt meant to be funny.
How long until we hear of scare groups, initatives or something similar being created to fight or “prevent” people doing what Steve did? “Because partaking in events like this should be banned from doing so! Help us in our cause so another tragedy dosnt happen.”
In other news. He pulled out the barb before he died and it was video taped. Rest assured it will be on the net at some point.
I sincerely hope out of good taste they don’t release this footage. How much would it suck if your dad died, and you’re watching the news, and they replayed the footage of him getting stabbed in the chest and bleeding to death?
I also doubt that was his last wish as some other guy suggested. That sounds more like a rumor.
BTW anyone remember the South park episode “Prehistoric Ice Man”?
“Steve Irwin: That was quite an angry croc, but I managed to escape with only a few bruises and a shattered left testicle. Next week, we’ll look for more of these beautiful creatures so we can learn more about them by pissing them off immensely. Thanks for watching.”
“I’ve got to be careful. So, what I’m
gonna do is sneak up on it and jam my
thumb in its butthole.”
“If I get bit out here, I’m 200 kilometers from the nearest hospital: I’d better be real careful jamming my thumb in its butthole. Oh, boy, it’s pissed off now.”
“This grizzly bear has the strength of
over ten Morgan Freemans. I’m really pissing him off right now.”
“No! It’s a Rocky Mountain rattle snake. This is the most poisonous snake in this entire region. Now, what I’m gonna do, is carefully sneak up on him, and jam my thumb up his butthole. Crikey! Oh, this snake is really pissed!! I’m gonna jam my thumb in his butthole now! Awww, yeah, that pissed it off all right!”
“Notice the dilated pupils of this prehistoric man. A sure sign the prey is frightened. As well as he should be, as I will now jam my thumb up his butthole.”
If you want to read the entire episode go here, its hilarious.
Steve you were an awesome Aussie, could have been named Bruce!.
[quote]cap’nsalty wrote:
All these people talking about how he was a trained expert or whatever are really just guessing, unless you’ve wrestled wild crocs yourself how can you really say how safe it is? There aren’t enough people doing it to be able to say based on statistics, so you don’t really know what you’re talking about.
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The fact that he “wrestled” (saved) as many crocs and other dangerous animals as he did is proof enough for me that he was an expert. I’m sure there’s a list of other qualifications he had that also proves his expertise.
How do you know how many people are or aren’t doing this? Just because they don’t have a TV show, doesn’t mean it’s not happening often.
The people saying that there’s not enough people doing it to be able to say based on statistics, don’t know what they’re talking about.
Not everyone can lead as boring and mundane a life as you, Rockscar. He lived on the edge…what’s living on the edge to you, going out to a new restaurant? Or bulking up from 145 to 155?
What prompted this? What makes you think I live a boring and mundane life?
Even more, if I have children, it’s my responsibility to make sure I’m there for them. That’s far from mundane. If I chose to consistantly put my life in danger for a thrill, then I’m irresponsible to my loved ones.
Living on the edge to satisfy your own needs above those of your kids is just wrong.
You have no frame of reference on this one.
While I’m not saying he deserved it, I was saying that he should have put his family and living for them above all things. One way to ensure that would be to get away from playing with death.
This is no different than a hard core drug user continuing to get high for the thrill of it. Is it not?
Yes, similar to getting in hairy situations in ones four wheel drive that could kill them.
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True, but I only go a few times a year. I’ve almost been run over a few times helping idiots out. I don’t help idiots anymore.
[quote]cap’nsalty wrote:
All these people talking about how he was a trained expert or whatever are really just guessing, unless you’ve wrestled wild crocs yourself how can you really say how safe it is? There aren’t enough people doing it to be able to say based on statistics, so you don’t really know what you’re talking about.
That said whether what he was doing was life threatening or not it was his choice and he did a lot of good for the world in the time he was here. That’s good enough for me.
Finally you can’t really compare this guy to the grizzly man. The grizzly man was batshit crazy (Steve Irwin’s high energy, but if you’ve seen grizzly man you know the guy is constantly about one step away from completely falling apart), and it’s debatable whether his work did anything to help anyone. Many argue that what he did was bad for the grizzlies, since he was teaching them to not fear humans, which could get them killed.[/quote]
Completely agree. Steve’s death was as stated a freak accident. He sometimes rolled the dice pretty thin but he still had abundant life long knowledge with the creatures he worked with.
The grizzly nut was as stated batshit crazy. For to camp in the middle of a virtual grizzly nest with no weapons of any kind or even at the least a hundred men with you is batshit crazy and suicidal. The only surprising thing there is that he lasted as long as he did. He didn’t grow up with bears it was in his late thirties he started his “bear work”.
What prompted this? What makes you think I live a boring and mundane life?
Even more, if I have children, it’s my responsibility to make sure I’m there for them. That’s far from mundane. If I chose to consistantly put my life in danger for a thrill, then I’m irresponsible to my loved ones.
Living on the edge to satisfy your own needs above those of your kids is just wrong.
You have no frame of reference on this one.
While I’m not saying he deserved it, I was saying that he should have put his family and living for them above all things. One way to ensure that would be to get away from playing with death.
This is no different than a hard core drug user continuing to get high for the thrill of it. Is it not?[/quote]
Let me see if i can make sense of this for you Rockscar… probably not, but I’ll give it a try.
You say his number one objective should have been to put his family above all other things. O.K. sounds good to me. I believed he did that. He died at 44… his family has 44 years of memories and instruction on how to go about living your life. Most of his life is even on videotape.
He tought his son and daughter more in the very few years that they knew him… than most dads will be able to do in an entire lifetime. He tought them how to love, how to protect, how to give back to society, how to save lives, how to be a savior for wildlife, how to be a decent human being, how to be a man, how to live life with enthusiasm and vigor.
The main protection he provided was how to live your life to the fullest and give every ounce of your heart to it… these are lessons that can’t be tought by the living no matter how hard a deadbeat loser dad tries… especially when he sits on the sofa and stuffs his face and never shows his children the meaning and the purpose of life. Steve was larger than life and he paved the way for his children to follow in his footsteps.
This guy will teach and protect his kids from the ignorance of society; knowledge worth more protection value than just being alive, more by being a deceased father than will 99% of the living ones. His legacy and lifelong lessons will live forever. How many people can say that about their own lives or their fathers?
My dad still comes home from work everyday and does nothing to better himself or society. Steve has endless video of how to be a man and how a real man lives his life and loves life to the fullest… watch this man work just one time and its all the protection you’ll ever need… that is protection my friend.
When a dead man can protect you far more from the evils of life than an alive one can… I’d say he gave his children all the protection they will ever need.
I can go over to my dads house right now and there is nothing he will do or say that will surpass the humanity of the way Steve lived his life. I’d be proud to have Steve as my father for just one day, I could learn so much from his passion that that’s all the protection I would ever need… the memories and lessons would last for a lifetime.
You don’t think he’s protecting his children now because he has passed… I beg to differ and I think his children will always be safe being lucky enough to have him for a dad and being able to see the legacy of this man everyday… the on screen legacy of someone they once called daddy.
You don’t think he’s protecting his children now because he has passed… I beg to differ and I think his children will always be safe being lucky enough to have him for a dad and being able to see the legacy of this man everyday… the on screen legacy of someone they once called daddy.[/quote]
I would use this same example for military soldiers that have died doing a mans job… trying to protect something. Steve is no different than a military man losing his life in battle. Steve battled to save wildlife… real men take on dangerous jobs and responsibility. Even if it means giving up their own life… and that’s what he did. Steve was a hero.
[quote]cap’nsalty wrote:
PGA200X wrote:
This isnt meant to be funny.
How long until we hear of scare groups, initatives or something similar being created to fight or “prevent” people doing what Steve did? “Because partaking in events like this should be banned from doing so! Help us in our cause so another tragedy dosnt happen.”
In other news. He pulled out the barb before he died and it was video taped. Rest assured it will be on the net at some point.
I sincerely hope out of good taste they don’t release this footage. How much would it suck if your dad died, and you’re watching the news, and they replayed the footage of him getting stabbed in the chest and bleeding to death?
I also doubt that was his last wish as some other guy suggested. That sounds more like a rumor.[/quote]
LATEST: The footage of late Australian naturalist STEVE IRWIN being killed by a stingray could be shown on TV. Charismatic Irwin, dubbed the Crocodile Hunter after his internationally acclaimed TV show, died yesterday (04SEP06) while diving on Australia’s Great Barrier Reef.
Irwin was filming for a new documentary when he lost his life, and his cameraman shot the moment when the stingray’s barbed tail stabbed the legendary conservationist through the heart. The tapes are currently being held by Queensland police - but Irwin’s family are determined to respect his last wishes and allow the harrowing footage to be broadcast. Irwin once insisted, "My number one rule is to keep that camera rolling. Even if it’s shaky or slightly out of focus, I don’t give a rip. “Even if a big old alligator is chewing me up I want to go down and go, ‘Crikey!’ just before I die. That would be the ultimate for me.”
An insider tells British newspaper the Daily Star, “This is exactly what Steve would have wanted. He knew the dangers and was totally up for the cameras to get everything.”
05/09/2006 12:52
What prompted this? What makes you think I live a boring and mundane life?
Even more, if I have children, it’s my responsibility to make sure I’m there for them. That’s far from mundane. If I chose to consistantly put my life in danger for a thrill, then I’m irresponsible to my loved ones.
Living on the edge to satisfy your own needs above those of your kids is just wrong.
You have no frame of reference on this one.
While I’m not saying he deserved it, I was saying that he should have put his family and living for them above all things. One way to ensure that would be to get away from playing with death.
This is no different than a hard core drug user continuing to get high for the thrill of it. Is it not?
Let me see if i can make sense of this for you Rockscar… probably not, but I’ll give it a try.
You say his number one objective should have been to put his family above all other things. O.K. sounds good to me. I believed he did that. He died at 44… his family has 44 years of memories and instruction on how to go about living your life. most of his is even on videotape.
He tought his son and daughter more in the very few years that they knew him… than most dads will be able to do in an entire lifetime. He tought them how to love, how to protect, how to give back to society, how to save lives, how to be a savior for wildlife, how to be a decent human being, how to be a man, how to live life with enthusiasm and vigor. [/quote]
Sure, all parents should do this. This does not justify anything. You are saying that he then could do whatever the hell he wanted because he taught his children as you describe above?
You put this guy too high on a pedestool. 99%??? C’mon now.
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My dad still comes home from work everyday and does nothing to better himself or society. Steve has endless video of how to be a man and how a real man lives his life and loves life to the fullest… watch this man work just one time and its all the protection you’ll ever need… that is protection my friend. [/quote]
Watching a father wrestle crocs is protection? That’s this biggest croc of shit I’ve ever heard.
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When a dead man can protect you far more from the evils of life than an alive one can… I’d say he gave his children all the protection they will ever need.
I can go over to my dads house right now and there is nothing he will do or say that will surpass the humanity of the way Steve lived his life. I’d be proud to have Steve as my father for just one day, I could learn so much from his passion that that’s all the protection i would ever need… the memories and lessons would last for a lifetime.
You don’t think he’s protecting his children now because he has passed… I beg to differ and I think his children will always be safe being lucky enough to have him for a dad and being able to see the legacy of this man everyday… the on screen legacy of someone they once called daddy.[/quote]
No videotape will protect his kids. You also make a lot of assumptions about how he lived his life with his kids. Did you know him?
Do you think his kids would rather see vids of him, or have him around? The kids are so young, their memories will mostly be from videotape. Sad really.