I’m 5’6" 230 lbs around 16% BF
My first cycle was back in june and consisted of 300 mg/wk tren and winny with 250 mg/wk sust 250 using clomid for PCT. This cycle cut my BF drastically and put strength on all three of my BIG 3 lifts.
This cycle will start in november and I would like some comments from the board on it (using all QV products and homemade tren)
Wk 1: 1500 mg test enanthate, 50 mg anavar ED, 75 mg tren EOD
Wk 2-3: 500 mg test E, 50 mg anavar ED, 75 mg tren EOD
Wk 4-5: same as above but no more anavar
Wk 6-8: same as wk 2-3 but no anavar and add 30 mg Halo ED
I’m trying to decide wehter to use arimidex or letrozole during the cycle and will probably use clomid for PCT. Of course I will be on shit loads of milk thistle and cran extract during the cycle and after to clean my liver.
Any help will be greatly appreciated, thanks!
Overall the tren and test enantate is a good cycle. Frontloading 1500 mg of enantate will be excessive, I would recommend using just 1000mg of enantate the first week and then adding 100mg of enantate onto each of the next five weeks.
As for anavar, There is no point in taking this drug with test or tren. Var is a class 1 drug, is fairly pricey, and used for short cycles where suppression is to be avoided, dieting, by women, or as a bridge. I advise if you are going to use it, use it at the end of your cycle as a bridge.
As for Halotestin, this is an extremely toxic steroid, which has simmilar effects as trenbolone. Trenbolone however has much less sides. There is no point to using these two compounds together, I advise instead to increase your dosage of tren.
Agree with P22, the 1500mg is a bit much. 1000mg is a better level. Got an alternative suggestion for the weekly injects of 500mg enanthate. Something thats worked for me is injecting 100mg EOD. This will keep your blood levels very constant and since you are doing the tren EOD you can just combine the shots. Your blood levels will not drop from your frontload value this way. Plot a graph of half-life concentration and you will see this to be true.
I agree with P22 telling you to drop the Halo and Creed has an awsome idea for how to run the Tren and Enanthate together.
How ever I do have a diffrent opion on the use of the anavar. I think 50mg ed of it weeks 1-5 would do wonders for your ligiments and tendons. While a Tren/Test cycle is one of the best when it comes to strength and mass it can be one of the worst for people who have any joint pain.(people like me)
But if you have no worries about your joints then go with what P22 said. Either way hope this cycle helps you to get HUGE.
Good luck and tell us how it goes.
DA
The joint “healing” properties of such drugs like nandrolone, equipoise, primo, and anavar, can only act if you are NOT putting your joints under stress. On this heavy mass cycle this is obviously not the case! In contrary these drugs can be actually detrimental to joint health on heavy mass cycles, as they can mask injuries the user is accurring which may mean the severity isn’t realised untill after cessation of the cycle.
And yes Creed has made a valid pt. Regular ed or eod injections are best for keeping blood levels stable, which minimizes side effects caused by fluctuating hormone levels.
P22 are you disagreeing with the information in Warhorse’s “AAS & Tendon Health” thread? If this what I am saying here is completely unfounded then tell me so I can stop helping friends set up cycle with that post and it’s information in mind. I thought that a strong enough dose, of the drugs you mentioned, would be more of a preventative measure against injury than a masking agent. I would rather him put in the Deca or the EQ but, anavar is what he oringinally posted that he had. Help me and him both out and share you knowledge futher on this subject if you would be so kind.
DA
Nandrolone’s “healing” properties are better described as fluid retention around the joints acting as a cushion. Nothing is healed but the pain would be relieved temporarily. The problem lies in the relief of pain giving a false sense of security which can lead to injury.
Damn didn’t want to hear that stuff about the tendon helping AAS not working!
Another idea I have toyed with is not to do cycles of more than 6 weeks. For some reason at week 6 this is where I begin to feel all the aches and pains starting to kick in so that I have to figuratively limp through the last two weeks of my 8 weeker. If this is the only solution I might try it. Most of my best strength gains come from week 3 to 6 anyway.
Would you be able to elaborate on your experiences with your first cycle?
The reason I ask is that I have access to Sustanon 250, injectable Winny and Deca, so my potential first cycle will be much the same as yours - I’m also planning much the same weekly amounts as you.
Any information you could send my way would be much appreciated - post here, PM or email, I don’t mind which.
Damn, I’ve spent a fortune on Anavar and Primobolin for my aching joints, especially rotator cuffs. I think P22 is right, because when I stop the primo and var they hurt worse than ever.