Thinking of what my second cycle will look like and need some feedback.
My first cycle was Test E 12 weeks at 400mg PW with EQ at 300mg PW
Everything was great made gains until I hurt my shoulder…It has been over a year since that has all ended…I was thinking of this
Sustanon 250 @ 500mg per week x 12 weeks pinned monday and thursday
Deca-Durabolin 400mg per week pinned x 10 weeks mon and thursday
HCG injected EOD 250 IU Weeks 11-13
PCT weeks 14-18
Nolva 40/40/20/20
I ran EQ before and liked it, but had some anxiety on it, and was a little depressed…Not sure if that was the EQ, or the fact that I think my second bottle of test was bunk…
Any how what do you all think???
I’m still a few months out from the start since I have some other goals first, but will be buying gear soon.
[quote]iannotti wrote:
Famousbychoice wrote:
I’m just happy to see someone is bringing Deca-Durabolin back into the mix…
Never used but what from I’ve read and heard, its number 1 in building mass along with test…
So what do you think?
Maybe add some proviron?[/quote]
Show me the source where it says this is the most effective in building mass? I’m not saying it’s not effective, just curious. Cycle looks good and safe, especially with Deca.
[quote]iannotti wrote:
Thinking of what my second cycle will look like and need some feedback.
My first cycle was Test E 12 weeks at 400mg PW with EQ at 300mg PW
Everything was great made gains until I hurt my shoulder…It has been over a year since that has all ended…I was thinking of this
Sustanon 250 @ 500mg per week x 12 weeks pinned monday and thursday[/quote]
Need more frequent injections to make FULL use of the esters in Sust… 3x/wk is considered minimum. No reason you cant split amps up.[quote]
Deca-Durabolin 400mg per week pinned x 10 weeks mon and thursday[/quote]
Deca is fine once a week - i always did every 6 days.[quote]
HCG injected EOD 250 IU Weeks 11-13[/quote]
Why dont you run HCG during to help prevent atrophy - this has been shown to be the most effective use of the drug.[quote]
PCT weeks 14-18
Nolva 40/40/20/20[/quote]
Test taper is DEFINITELY better with 1) a 12 week cycle, and 2) Use of a nandrolone.[quote]
I ran EQ before and liked it, but had some anxiety on it, and was a little depressed…Not sure if that was the EQ, or the fact that I think my second bottle of test was bunk…
Any how what do you all think???
I’m still a few months out from the start since I have some other goals first, but will be buying gear soon.[/quote]
Deca is a great drug - what brand do you have? Dunno why it isnt used more often here.
I just posted in another thread on how no one is using nandrolone deca anymore. Nice iannotti
JJ/Brook covered most of your bases already. When in doubt inject more frequently than less. Sus I would insist on being EOD. Deca is decent as a once a weeker but you will get more stability twice a week as you planned.
[quote] Brook wrote:
iannotti wrote:
Thinking of what my second cycle will look like and need some feedback.
My first cycle was Test E 12 weeks at 400mg PW with EQ at 300mg PW
Everything was great made gains until I hurt my shoulder…It has been over a year since that has all ended…I was thinking of this
Sustanon 250 @ 500mg per week x 12 weeks pinned monday and thursday
Need more frequent injections to make FULL use of the esters in Sust… 3x/wk is considered minimum. No reason you cant split amps up.
Deca-Durabolin 400mg per week pinned x 10 weeks mon and thursday
Deca is fine once a week - i always did every 6 days.
HCG injected EOD 250 IU Weeks 11-13
Why dont you run HCG during to help prevent atrophy - this has been shown to be the most effective use of the drug.
PCT weeks 14-18
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Test taper is DEFINITELY better with 1) a 12 week cycle, and 2) Use of a nandrolone.
I ran EQ before and liked it, but had some anxiety on it, and was a little depressed…Not sure if that was the EQ, or the fact that I think my second bottle of test was bunk…
Any how what do you all think???
I’m still a few months out from the start since I have some other goals first, but will be buying gear soon.
Deca is a great drug - what brand do you have? Dunno why it isnt used more often here.
Brook[/quote]
I didn’t know or read a protocol for the use of hcg throughout a whole cycle…Would 250iu’s EOD be to much for an entire cycle?
How exactly would you taper the test? starting the taper after week 12? I thought tapering was an old school way that was no longer used.
I’m going to pick up Organon for Sus 250 and maybe organon for the deca depending on price, if the deca is to high I may choose to go with genesis instead.
Brook, I could have sweared I read in Anabolics 2007 it said tapering was bad because reguardless if you are tapering, you are still shutdown and you are basically just dragging out the length of being shutdown by tapering…Anyone else ever read that?
Oh cool, never used deca before, so do you think if I go with organon 200-300mg per week is enough since you are saying its that much better?
[quote]iannotti wrote:
Brook, I could have sweared I read in Anabolics 2007 it said tapering was bad because reguardless if you are tapering, you are still shutdown and you are basically just dragging out the length of being shutdown by tapering…Anyone else ever read that?
Oh cool, never used deca before, so do you think if I go with organon 200-300mg per week is enough since you are saying its that much better?
[/quote]
a stasis taper is what hes planning im assuming. its much different then a traditional taper such as the one discussed in anabolic 2007. It is very effective and is listed at the top of the forum in detail.
I highly reccomend using a differnt product if you plan to do a stasis/taper. With all the different ester lenghts in sus it will not work very well in that situatoin.
I myself have yet to even use proviron. However others love it and incorporate it into just about every cycle they do.
Edit:
And if you do end up using a single estered product and go with a stasis/taper then there really is no need to stop the deca two weeks prior of the test.
[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
I highly reccomend using a differnt product if you plan to do a stasis/taper. With all the different ester lenghts in sus it will not work very well in that situatoin.
I myself have yet to even use proviron. However others love it and incorporate it into just about every cycle they do.
Edit:
And if you do end up using a single estered product and go with a stasis/taper then there really is no need to stop the deca two weeks prior of the test.[/quote]
Good point…Makes sense…I really am not familar with this tapering protocol. Anyone agrees with lilguy?
[quote]iannotti wrote:
LillGuy001 wrote:
I highly reccomend using a differnt product if you plan to do a stasis/taper. With all the different ester lenghts in sus it will not work very well in that situatoin.
I myself have yet to even use proviron. However others love it and incorporate it into just about every cycle they do.
Edit:
And if you do end up using a single estered product and go with a stasis/taper then there really is no need to stop the deca two weeks prior of the test.
Good point…Makes sense…I really am not familar with this tapering protocol. Anyone agrees with lilguy? [/quote]