Hello,
I’m well into my first bulking cycle on Sustanon and I am very happy with the results. I’ve begun researching a future cutting cycle which would occur approximately 6 months after I finish the PCT of my current bulking cycle.
Injections only:
Weeks 1-12: Testosterone Propionate - 75mg every day
Weeks 1-8: Winstrol - 50mg every day
PCT: 50mg of clomid for 4 weeks, 3 days after the last injection.
Opinions please?
[quote]Nstart wrote:
Hello,
I’m well into my first bulking cycle on Sustanon and I am very happy with the results. I’ve begun researching a future cutting cycle which would occur approximately 6 months after I finish the PCT of my current bulking cycle.
Injections only:
Weeks 1-12: Testosterone Propionate - 100mg every day
Weeks 1-8: Winstrol - 50mg every day
PCT: 50mg of clomid for 4 weeks, 3 days after the last injection.
Opinions please?[/quote]
How much sustanon are you using? How much do you weigh? The prop and winstrol are both a little on the high side. Is it oral or injectable winstrol?
In any event, I like winstrol too. its a good hardener. The prop should keep you pretty full and the winstro will keep your muscles hard. Winstrol also knocks androgens off of SHBG so you will get more out of your test P. A couple of draw backs of the cycle: Winstrol increases collagen synthesis but less collagen cross linking occurs so you can have more brittle connective tissue if on it too long. est also decreases collagen synthesis. Some steroids actually increase synthesis while allowing normal cross linking such as Deca, Equipoise and Primobolan. Another drawback is that winstrol can have a fairly dramatic negative influence on blood lipid ratios and total.
Thanks for the reply pickapeck!
I am using 500mg of Sustanon a week (injected 3 times a week).
Before I began the cycle I weighed in at 225lbs. Right now I am pushing 260lbs. This is my first thread I made here:
http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1829811
I’ve been eating a very clean 5500 calorie diet and have put on significant gains of muscle and strength along with a couple of extra pounds of water and fat. The strange thing is, I put on most of that weight in the first 2 weeks. In week one I gained almost 12lbs and in week two I gained 11lbs. After this my body appeared to adjust to the change or it settled down and I am now gaining around 2-3lbs of weight a week.
As I stated in my initial post, these are injections only. From my research 75mg is the absolute bare minimum I should be injecting of prop a day on a cutting cycle. Most appear to recommend between 100 and 200mg a week. I decided to take the lesser side of the recommended daily dosage. In terms of winstrol, in injection form everything I have read said that the bare minimum is 50mg a day. My goal is to cut down the body fat and even put on a touch of muscle along the way (this would be really nice, but not the primary purpose of my cutting cycle).
My diet is fine since I know how to diet properly (in the first thread I even said I recently lost 180lbs naturally).
I understand the problem regarding winstrol and weaker connective tissue. This is why I am only on it for 8 weeks as it appears that if taken orally I can only be on it for 6 weeks. However, injections appear to be acceptable if taken for up to 8 weeks with no long term damage.
Any advice of help would be greatly appreciated.
Ouch thats a lot of pinning.
I made a mistake with my original post. I have no idea why I said 100mg every day. I meant to say 75mg everyday because the vials are 525mg each, which is exactly a weeks worth.
[quote]Hagar wrote:
Ouch thats a lot of pinning. [/quote]
It’s just one a day from my understanding. Pull the test with one pin into a syringe. Then pull the winnie with another pin into a different syringe. Then take one syringe and dump it into the other. Then just inject once.
At least this is how I understood it could be done to minimize injections.
[quote]Nstart wrote:
Hagar wrote:
Ouch thats a lot of pinning.
It’s just one a day from my understanding. Pull the test with one pin into a syringe. Then pull the winnie with another pin into a different syringe. Then take one syringe and dump it into the other. Then just inject once.
At least this is how I understood it could be done to minimize injections.[/quote]
Use the same syringe and needle to draw both. Then switch the needle before injecting.
Still once of day of Prop is alot, from what I hear you can expect that to hurt quite alot. Whats the ba% of your Prop?
Power GnP I’m not really sure what “ba percentage” is but I’m guessing it has something to do with the quantity the prop in terms of volume?
If so, it is 100mg/ml.
12 weeks is a long time to be pinning ed. why not run them both 8 weeks?
as FG wrote 12 weeks of ED pinning sound painfull, why not consider a shorter cycle? 5 or 8 weeks for example?
I guess 8 weeks is reasonable. I honestly don’t mind the pain.