Crime to Exercise Free Speech on a Public Sidewalk!

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:
You can fucking protest at a soldier’s funeral, but can’t pass out pamphlets near that festival. Complete horseshit. America has turned into a disgrace. They (muslims) burn the fucking American Flag in Dearborn and I dare you to say something about that, the ACLU will be on your ass so fast…welcome to the Former United States of America.[/quote]

Those protesters at military funeral should be arrested or removed for the same reason: Instigation.[/quote]

Just curious, do you think that what we saw in this video (standing on a corner, quietly offering pamphlets to those who would take them) is comparable to the megaphones, shouted obscenities, and degrading signs being paraded outside of military funerals by WBC?[/quote]

And taping it? Yeah, they’ve pretty much dropped to the same level in my eyes. If the tape was something a bystander happened to catch on camera while passing I might not say they were there to instigate. But the fact is that they took a camera and taped it.[/quote]

So if a shop owner is having trouble with shoplifting, installs a camera, catches someone stealing, and is then assaulted by the thief, is the shop owner any less a victim?

These people had previously had their freedom of speech violated by security at this particular event and the Dearborn PD, I see no reason why ensuring that they were able to provide videographic proof incriminates them at all. As a matter of fact, it resolves them of any of the guilt you are trying to imply as it proves that they did nothing to instigate. Show me ANYWHERE in those videos where they instigated anything. Especially the first one where they are arrested for simply standing on a corner with pamphlets.

It seems like you are trying to make the assertion that if someone knows you are going to do fuck up and catches you doing it on tape, you are less liable for fucking up than if they hadn’t had the foresight to have a camera on hand.

We get it Mak, they’re Christians and you don’t like Christians. Your tap dance is getting pretty thin on this one, though.

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:
We get it Mak, they’re Christians and you don’t like Christians. Your tap dance is getting pretty thin on this one, though.[/quote]

I don’t like Christians? That’s no secret. It’s even less of a secret that I like Muslims less. What’s your point?

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:
You can fucking protest at a soldier’s funeral, but can’t pass out pamphlets near that festival. Complete horseshit. America has turned into a disgrace. They (muslims) burn the fucking American Flag in Dearborn and I dare you to say something about that, the ACLU will be on your ass so fast…welcome to the Former United States of America.[/quote]

Those protesters at military funeral should be arrested or removed for the same reason: Instigation.[/quote]

apparently free speech is an unknown thing in New Zealand . . .[/quote]

Are you seriously defending the scum who picket funerals?[/quote]

Don’t get me wrong, I think there will be a special place in hell for despicable bastards like that . … BUT, free speech is free speech even if I despise what they do . . .

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

Sorry, but they were in the wrong. As much as I detest the actions of those who try to spread Sharia to new countries that take them in, these guys were clearly out to instigate.[/quote]

Thank goodness we have a federal Constitution that lays the hammer down with a zero-tolerance policy on “instigation”. Can’t have any “instigation”, of course.

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I would have liked to see them try to hand out copies of the Koran as well and see if anything happened.

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Holy shit, that aggravates me. I have a 10 year old son, and I’m ashamed at the country he is going to have when he’s my age.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
We get it Mak, they’re Christians and you don’t like Christians. Your tap dance is getting pretty thin on this one, though.[/quote]

I don’t like Christians? That’s no secret. It’s even less of a secret that I like Muslims less. What’s your point?[/quote]

I waited a little while to see if you were going to address the rest of my post. I guess you can’t.

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MAK-

Sure, it was instigation. But dont you see the problem doesnt lie with the Christians , they did nothing wrong (according to law)- it lies with the Muslims.

An extreme example:
If you had a weird anger problem that whenever you heard the weird “book” you went on a blind rampage destroying as much as you could and I knew this, in fact, I said “book” a lot because I either wanted to 1)see you pissed off in a effort to fill up my own cup, or 2) prove a point to myself and others that this kind of behavior can no longer be tolerated – would this still be instigation? Of course it would. But I would not be in the wrong. I do not choose others behaviors and actions. You still choose your reaction. Just as you would need to take responsibility for your actions, so do the Muslims.

Bottom Line: The Instigation excuse is beyond ridiculous.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

And taping it? Yeah, they’ve pretty much dropped to the same level in my eyes. If the tape was something a bystander happened to catch on camera while passing I might not say they were there to instigate. But the fact is that they took a camera and taped it.[/quote]

Just throwing in my $0.02. Say this was not taped, and the Muslims had a tape of a punch being thrown by one of the Christians? It did not happen, but what if. The same thing happens all the time when a student is tazed by a police officer. The videos always show the tazing it does not show what led up to the tazing. IMO if a video it so be presented as evidence it should show the enitre incident. That is what these Christians were doing. This was more as protection than to be instigators.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:
You can fucking protest at a soldier’s funeral, but can’t pass out pamphlets near that festival. Complete horseshit. America has turned into a disgrace. They (muslims) burn the fucking American Flag in Dearborn and I dare you to say something about that, the ACLU will be on your ass so fast…welcome to the Former United States of America.[/quote]

Those protesters at military funeral should be arrested or removed for the same reason: Instigation.[/quote]

1, nobody in the videos were protesting. (The guys in the second vid just asked a question)

2, The people at the soldiers funeral were purposely causing psychological harm. They were hurting people.[/quote]

And they took the video camera and uploaded it to Youtube because?[/quote]

So recording video is equivalent to what the group did at the soldiers funeral?

do you believe cameras steel a person’s soul or life force or something?

Why can’t they record on a public street? The second video the guys even asked permission to record from both the cops and the event security.

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“Public property” is the problem here.

If those Muslims didn’t want them there they should have had the festival on private property.

Fuck free speech. There is no such thing.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

Sorry, but they were in the wrong. As much as I detest the actions of those who try to spread Sharia to new countries that take them in, these guys were clearly out to instigate.[/quote]

Thank goodness we have a federal Constitution that lays the hammer down with a zero-tolerance policy on “instigation”. Can’t have any “instigation”, of course.
[/quote]

Exactly, instigating is not against the law and they were completely within their rights. Mak is your sole purpose on this site just to make religious-bashing posts? The only time I ever see you say anything (not that I do any searching or anything) is when you’re bashing religion or something related to that, just curious.

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[quote]TDub301 wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

Sorry, but they were in the wrong. As much as I detest the actions of those who try to spread Sharia to new countries that take them in, these guys were clearly out to instigate.[/quote]

Thank goodness we have a federal Constitution that lays the hammer down with a zero-tolerance policy on “instigation”. Can’t have any “instigation”, of course.
[/quote]

Exactly, instigating is not against the law and they were completely within their rights. Mak is your sole purpose on this site just to make religious-bashing posts? The only time I ever see you say anything (not that I do any searching or anything) is when you’re bashing religion or something related to that, just curious.[/quote]

I just find it interesting that they look for sympathy when they went out of their way to create problems. I’m not saying the reaction was right, but when you are clearly trying to create a problem, I’m sure not jumping to your defense.

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I don’t know if I’d describe it as “going out of their way” to create problems. They easily could have done a lot more than what they did, right? Regardless, they didn’t break any laws did they? Which means that nothing should have happened to them in the first place and that does invoke at least a certain level of sympathy.

Let’s say you drove by a cop and made a face at him, he took it personal and pulled you over and ticketed you or possibly arrested you for some bullshit reason. Since you instigated it, are you saying you don’t deserve any sympathy? If the punishment comes nowhere near close to fitting the (lack of) crime, what’s wrong with getting some sympathy?

At least hate Christians for something legit, you’re really going out on a limb with this one. Had it been atheists out there spreading pamphlets on why there’s no god, would you still be saying all this? We all know what you’re response will be to that question, but really ask yourself and don’t worry about answering it here, just answer it to yourself and make sure you’re not in denial.

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[quote]TDub301 wrote:
I don’t know if I’d describe it as “going out of their way” to create problems. They easily could have done a lot more than what they did, right? Regardless, they didn’t break any laws did they? Which means that nothing should have happened to them in the first place and that does invoke at least a certain level of sympathy.

Let’s say you drove by a cop and made a face at him, he took it personal and pulled you over and ticketed you or possibly arrested you for some bullshit reason. Since you instigated it, are you saying you don’t deserve any sympathy? If the punishment comes nowhere near close to fitting the (lack of) crime, what’s wrong with getting some sympathy?

At least hate Christians for something legit, you’re really going out on a limb with this one. Had it been atheists out there spreading pamphlets on why there’s no god, would you still be saying all this? We all know what you’re response will be to that question, but really ask yourself and don’t worry about answering it here, just answer it to yourself and make sure you’re not in denial.[/quote]

You’ve already made up your mind I see. For the record, if atheists did the same thing, they would still be instigating. If you want to spread ideas, there are much better ways than video taping yourself handing out pamphlets on a street corner. There is a reason I don’t hang around churches handing out copies of ‘On the Origin of Species’.

And yes, if you provoke a cop, something is likely to happen. Or are they not human with emotions like the rest of us serfs? I forget.