Covid in Australia

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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I’m okay with this, I’d also like to point out they didn’t agree with gay marriage. They only legalised it due to immense public pressure, eventually a referendum was drafted, due to overwhelming public support for gay marriage they had to legalise or potentially get voted out.

I don’t care about regulatory standards around marriage. Barring atrocities like child marriages/forced marriages/arranged marriages, I think marriage shouldn’t be any concern to the government. Keep the government out of marriage contracts etc. They have no right to stick their nose there. I have no problem with gay marriage; but regardless of whether I had a problem with it or not i’d still say I want it legalised because I don’t think the government ought to be involved with law abiding citizens getting married. Passing laws against gay marriage comes across as authoritative to me…

Ditto with abortion, regardless of your/my perceived sense of morality, I believe in upholding rights over bodily autonomy. I can provide literature regarding “when does a foetus feel pain? When is it likely they develop a conscious” etc. Before then, I don’t consider a foetus a fully formed human being.

No Marxism within the liberal party either. Their advocating for lower taxes, disdain towards migrants etc certainly doesn’t scream left wing. Labour caters more towards political correctness (but not remotely close to the level of PC culture within American democrats) than liberal. They’re a right wing party… You want far left? Look at the greens

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Not sure I agree with this. Howard wasn’t a genius by any means but he abode by a very autocratic leadership style… This was quite effective and was associated with mass public support, enough to keep him in power for a long time

He started the nanny state domino effect

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Well shit. Of course you’re right, and I apologize for the tone/thrust of that earlier post

Fair point

Agreed. And I blame conservative media (ie. ongoing efforts) even moreso than orange man (who set the tone) for turning this into just the latest culture war “front”

Agreed, and let’s also be fully clear: NO ONE is pro-lockdown, just as NO ONE is pro-indefinitely-masking. (ie. these are strawmen, and the fact that conservative media continues to trot them out on the daily doesn’t change that fact)

Agreed, but who gives AF about lockdowns at this point? We’re what, 7+ months into the readily-available-vaccine phase (and with apparently great vaccine success), so how is this relevant? (hint: it isn’t, unless you’re a radio host who relies on fearmongering and needs to generate “content” for their daily show)

Until individual communities/counties/states decide that they’re ready to. To suggest that any county/state’s chief concern is to ‘sheepishly adopt some mandate’ instead of, you know, maybe be looking out for the wellbeing of their constituents (and it’s not just sick folks, but overworked EMS/healthcare personnel as well) is an insult to common sense (and has the reek of paranoia, truth be told)

And my point (and earlier rant) is that it’s the reactionary folk – who stand for nothing, have no ideas of their own, only opposition – who are the problem now. Certainly they’re not part of the solution…

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All good man.

I disagree with you on this.

But if I ask you to prove this. You know doubt will have your sources. Just as much as anyone who said the opposite could provide sources.

We could go one for one indefinitely on that.

It is as they say a moot point.

In my experience people who say things like this:

Tend to be people who exclusively watch their flavour of mainstream or legacy media.

They develop this idea that their team for most part does no wrong and the other side is all to blame. Because thats what they are being spoon fed day in day from CNN or whoever.

Not saying thats you but its what I’ve noticed. I source from independent media sources. When I started doing that I realised all main stream media is full of shit. But I do tend to think leftist leaning media is more “dangerous”.

I hadn’t watch CNN in years until my buddy watch the 2020 election results as they were coming in. The language and total lack of objectivity. I mean there used to be a time when blatant editorialising wasn’t so rampant. Or maybe not.

I don’t know about that. That is a statement that needs unpacking.

Like what does pro-lockdown mean. Etc.

I am not gonna comment because that wasn’t what my initial post was about.

How is what relevant?

This is what the media and government is doing. I am not in the states but its certainly what they are doing in Australia.

At least that is MY OPINION. Given that stats I presented earlier regarding the virus in Australia. Especially when you consider the actions of the government in an attempt to thwart the spread. Which I’ve also mentioned. But MY OPINION again.

Thats another issue worth unpacking.

Is that truly the responsibility of an elected official?

Of course to a degree obviously it is.

But again to what extent. At what point is it an infringement upon our liberties?

Well technically its the people who want to lockdown, do mask mandates and now vaccine mandates who are the reactionary folk.

Just purely by definition of the word.

Now perhaps you could label the group your most likely talking about as reactionaries to the reactionaries.

Which is an altogether different thing.

So again:

I would rather harbour the risk and live in a free society than capitulate to the demands of the government in exchange for security.

That is a sentiment I think a significant majority of Americans likely share with me. But of course I have no stats to back that.

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You never replied to my picture demonstrative of my Sephardic heritage sir. @oglebee

(Star of David emoji) (Isreali flag emoji) (Jewish people controlling the media emoji)

As a Jewish individual I can vouch for being a lizard person! We exist!!

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Bro.

In Australia. Every white person who goes outside any amount looks like that.
You have a tan.

But fine you can join the club. It has so many perks. Discounted hummus and tahini. And you and your descendants get to be the target of genocidal maniacs for millennia to come. Mazel Tov.

Fitspatrick 3 at most.

What did your ancestry test say? What percentage Sephardi?

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I’ve been evaluated for laser hair removal and was termed as bring Fitzpatrick 4.

It’s funny you think I have a tan though, you should see me during the summer when I’m actually tan. It’s winter… It’s not as if I spend a significant portion of time outside

I’m not sure of the actual percentage, I’ll have to check again. From what I recall it wasn’t a small percentage, I’ll update tonight.

My twin goes outside a lot and super pale. I’m olive/naturally tan without needing to tan

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Hahaha. Yeah by some random basic Aussie chick with duck lips and too much make up no doubt.

Tanning occurs year round in Australia mate. You know this.

I eagerly await your answer.

We might have to buy you a djellaba and a tarboosh depending on your answer.

Fraternal? Male? Female?

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Ok. Its borderline.

If you wear a djellaba and a tarboosh some might argue thats cultural appropriation.

But what the hell. You can be one of us.

2.9 % central asian. Must be that Khazar convert blood in you. Haha.

Yeah Sephardi is not really Moroccan but it still kinda is. Its a complicated history. As I am sure you know.

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Fraternal, male. He has an account on here actually!

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Up till Turnball I would agree with you, but Turnball was pro GM. Without him there would have been no vote. The vote that was done was a non binding plebicite. If it was a compulsory referendum then it would have failed. Whilst the vote was majority in favour, it did not meet the minimum numbers for success.

The majority of people I know, either didn’t vote for it, or at all, or voted in favour, and now regret it passing because of the extra bullshit that has come with the LGBT community like trans explosion in the youth, “Safe Schools” pro lgbt in public schools, no longer tolerence, but you need to praise and adore LGBT or its hate speech for expressing a traditional religious belief. eg Israel Folau.

The whole pro campaign was pushed by the media, dissent was virtually drowned out. Only Christians with a strong conviction were brave enough to disagree. Everyone else was too scared to publically put a case against.They were howled down.
Rich private individuals like Alan Joyce, who used his position as head of Qantas to promote it. Qs is still majority owned by the govt, so I don’t know how Joyce was allowed to employ it and his position as leverage by getting involved in politics and taking a position either way. I believe he banned people like Margret Court from flying Qs.

I don’t know anyone who knows anyone that has had Covid, let alone died from it.
Yet I know 4 people who either have a teenager or young adult that identifies as transgender, or know someone else that has a child that is TG.

I’m not against abortion in certain cases, rape, serious birth defects. I have qualms over it when the kid is going to be healthy, but its just inconvenient, or someone didn’t bother with birth control.

Less Marxism within the Liberal’s, its just not as open or intense, they wouldn’t describe it that way either. Pro feminism quotas, allowing feminism, LGBT promoted in the military, stimulus packages that will keep us in deficit for decades.
Lib’s are pro immigration, just not illegal. Its a smokescreen,they let millions in over there tenure.

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I do, a family member of mine overseas died from it (50’s). One family member with pre existing co morbidities was in ICU and had to constantly receive supplemental oxygen. Said family member now has long covid.

This “holier than thou” mentality is irritating… But my question is… What’s wrong with homosexuality? You’re talking 2% of the population being LGBT, just let them be… Who cares?

Who cares if we promote acceptance of homosexuality? It’s a better alternative relative to forcing homosexuals to live out a life of oppression and lies. They might get married, have kids, engage in torrid affairs on the side until it all implodes… Divorce ensues, child’s life is irreparably altered.

Or the alternative… Like the middle east where homosexuality is punished by death or imprisonment. The agenda towards acceptance exists imo due to scenarios like this. ALL homosexuals ought to feel comfortable/be able to come out without scrutiny as to not live out a lie… It’s not a choice, and unlike psychopathy or pedophelia homosexuality doesn’t harm others (if you believe it does, try convince me otherwise) thus I see no adequate merit to restrict homosexuals of basic rights.

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Maternal mortality rates are significantly higher with very young pregnancies. Not everyone can afford to take care of a child. Many kids born to impoverished teen mom’s are subject to neglect, abuse, malnutrition and the likes. The mom may resent the child as she may have to drop out of school/uni.

As to adoption, foster homes aren’t sunshine and rainbows. I’d give a more detailed response but my phone’s touchscreen is spazzing out.

I’m not of the “hooray! Abortion” mentality, I think it’s a serious medical procedure… Not a decision to be taken lightly. But then again I’m fairly indifferent over restrictions on elligability because prior to a certain point I don’t consider a foetus to be a living, breathing conscious human.

This doesn’t make me a sick, immoral individual; this is my opinion and I have plenty of scientific literature to back up my beliefs. Each to their own

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What is your stance on immigration? Is it a race issue that you have? Or a cultural one?

Who cares if gay people are in the millitary… How does this affect anyone? I don’t believe the liberals are for or against LGBT millitary inclusivity… I’ve never heard them comment on it

Agreed about the stimulus packages… With covid lockdowns they keep funding everyone as if they don’t states will spin a BS political narrative and blame the federal government for mass poverty… but where’s that money coming from? From the very high future income of my generation…

If Scotty stopped jobkeeper, stimulus packages etc states would probably be FAR more reluctant to keep locking down

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[quote=“unreal24278, post:114, topic:274790”]
This “holier than thou” mentality is irritating… But my question is… What’s wrong with homosexuality? You’re talking 2% of the population being LGBT, just let them be… Who cares?

I used to think the holier than thou of the religious people was irritating too. Now its been replaced by the holier than thou of the woke pro LGBT, or whatever other splinter group. What’s wrong with homosexuality? We’ve had that discussion before. I don’t care what 2 consenting adults do in the private lives, I just don’t want to know about.
I tolerate it, but I don’t want to have to say its great, or worry about hurting someones feelings for having a different opinion, and not be able to express mine, whilst they are free to express theirs.

There is promoting the acceptance of homosexuality(tolerance), and then there’s promoting homosexuality. Sounds similar to most people but its different.
Gays haven’t had to live oppressed in Australia at least since the mid 1980’s. There’s never been the widespread oppression, like there still is in the middle east.
I’ve known plenty of LGB ( not many T’s)people over the years, in my lifetime and none of them have been oppressed, or hidden their identity, quite the opposite really.

I agree.

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Immigration is fine, its the amount and the reasons that I am against. Both major party’s policy of flooding the country is not sustainable in the long run. I don’t want to live in an overpopulated country, where people can’t afford to buy a place to live. It only helps the super rich get richer, and the reduces the quality of life in the country.

Well when you might have to fight countries like China, Russia that are openly against it, your own forces will be at a disadvantage. Your military will be worrying about the feelings of every minority group, pandering to their peccadillos, special rights, paying for sex re assignment surgery. Your enemy will just be focusing on killing you, they won’t be hindered by stupid rules or employing people that aren’t psychologically capable, or too effeminate to kill the enemy. There are plenty of non gays that are also not physically or psychological suitable for military service, those people historically haven’t been hired for the same reasons.

Liberals as a party are not stopping the Marxist social experiments in the military. Individuals such as Andrew Hastie, former commando have warned about how these changes are affecting the operational effectiveness. Nothing has been done, they are just as woke as the opposition. Wouldn’t want to risk offending the gay, or feminist lobby for the sake of effectiveness that would equal casualties on your own side.

I’m well over my quota for the week, must do some other non web shit.

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I wish the US banned it as the only people I see vaping are douchebags.

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What? Gays, effeminate or otherwise, have had no problems killing people. Not every gay man is some character on Will and Grace.

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Absolutely shocking!

450 mg/day, everyday.

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It’s also not like there are no gays in Russia’s and China’s militaries. I don’t know about the former but the latter just don’t declare their sexuality. Hell, there were gays in my military. I know one who’s openly gay and one who’s bisexual. Both reached the rank of 2WO before retiring.

Lots of the high ranking guys in China bribed their way into their positions. I’m not really sure their military is that capable even though they take every chance to flaunt their high tech shit. A minor skirmish at the Indian border and they didn’t even dare release their real death toll. I’m 90% sure the Indians kicked their asses.

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