If 95% of the cases are unvaccinated, let nature takes it’s course at this point.
That’s what gave us Florida Man in the first place.
I’ve gotta admit I’ve never been to Australia before. But the way you’re describing it, I’m getting the impression that I’d feel less free in there than in China. So either you’re really overthinking the bad shit, or it’s not really as bad there as you think.
Its obviously not as bad as China…yet. Its a slippery slope though. Afters lifetimes of saying how fair and democratic we are in Australia, they are slowly crushing and re educating the population, curtailing free speech, freedom of expression, increasing surveillance, promoting right wing conservatism as terrorism. They are showing us we don’t have any of the constitutional rights like the US after piggy backing on their democratic values for generations, fighting in several world wars for these implied rights.
Its becoming plainly obvious that the judicial system is not independent anymore, but is an extension of those who are politically in control. People are found guilty of charges that a few years ago would have been thrown out of court in the first sitting for not meeting even the barest requirements.
Constitutionally one of the few rights we actually have that is not implied but codified is we have the right to travel in between States without hindrance. Not anymore.
Media is in compliance with political propaganda, rather than just telling the news as it happened.
Its certainly getting more like an authoritarian regime, than any time in our country’s history. If they ever step down from this constant state of emergency, they won’t relax all these new surveillance measures. They like the control and they aren’t going to relinquish it.
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It is an evolving issue.
Obviously.
There are a multitude of confounding variables at play here.
No problem chief!
Its been politicised from the start.
You say:
Sooo if I disagree with how the government is doing something and question them then based on your logic the following is true.
- Politicising is bad.
- Criticising the government and its actions is politicising.
- Do not criticise the government because that is bad.
- Just do whatever the government tells you to do.
Of course we hold opposing view points so naturally you conflate my disagreement with lockdowns as politicisation of a public health crisis. Which is typical of certain demographics these days.
Did you even read what I posted and attempt to unpack what I was trying to say.
Or did you just see something anti lockdown and come to your own conclusion based on your own implicit bias.
Did you even read the content of the links you posted? Did you try to consider how they are related to what I posted.
The first fact checker was about this:
“Florida health officials have reported a 60% rise in COVID-19 cases, and hospitals are reporting that 95% of COVID-19 patients are not fully vaccinated. But a Facebook post makes the baseless claims that Florida’s numbers are not going up, and that all COVID-19 patients recently admitted to a Palm Beach County hospital had been vaccinated.”
So I never said anything about Florida’s cases not going up. Nor did I mention patients being admitted to the hospital as being vaccinated.
So not applicable.
What did I say?
I said outcomes between places like Ca with strict lockdowns vs Florida with less strict lockdowns were not much different.
Death rate per capita:
Florida: 180 per 100k
California: 163 per 100k
Infection rate per link you provided:
Florida: 11749
California: 9984
Florida has a 47 % fully vaccinated population.
California has a 53 % fully vaccinated population.
Lockdown itself does not come without its own consequences.
Economic consequences.
Mental health consequence.
-Inc. in substance abuse.
-Inc. in rate of SSRI prescription.
-Inc. in suicide.
Educational consequences.
The consequences of lockdown are all encompassing.
Things I suspect we agree on:
- Vaccinations work.
- People should be educated on the benefits of vaccinations.
- People should strongly consider getting vaccinated.
- Lockdowns and social distancing work.
My point is how far and to what extent do we continue doing this.
As I’ve said previously I would rather harbour the risk and live in a free society than capitulate to the demands of the government in exchange for security.
Instead of just coming at me in an incredibly patronising and antagonsitic manner maybe you could have asked me how I came to those conclusions and we could have engaged in dialogue?
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Another point worth mentioning is…
Florida is where American old folks go to die. I mean that in a very positive way. American retirees don’t flock there for arbitrary reasons. They choose Florida. It is also our # 3 most populous state behind California and Texas
My State Of Maine is the only state to beat out Florida for an older average population, but that’s just because young people are generally checking out of our already very small population, presumably having found richer lobster fishing waters elsewhere.
California has a much different population distribution, coming in at 45th on the list of population percentage that’s over 65. They have a huge population overall so the absolute numbers are always large, but it has been increasingly difficult to make the case against Florida COVID policy and nearly impossible to make the case for California COVID policy as the entire worldwide event has progressed.
Ron Desantis, Governor of Florida, navigated COVID quite well in my opinion. Certainly much better than Andrew Cuomo, media hero of the fact-free narrative cycle. He’s the guy who stuffed COVID patients into nursing homes with our most vulnerable and then wrote a book about how great of a governor he believes himself to be.
I’m not sure if it has been mentioned yet, but COVID is deadlier for older people. Florida to California is perhaps the most informative comparison one can make between states in the USA.
To be fair, Australia’s government is right wing (yes they are…). They don’t cater towards the libertarian minded right wing conservative, so those who advocate for say… The right to own a firearm are looked down upon.
I hate sounding like a paranoid nut… But I seriously think it all started with John Howard. After they managed to take the guns away federal/state politicians adopted a “look what we can get away with” mindset. Now we ban shit like nerf guns, swords and self defence keychains… meanwhile rated of gun violence (to my knowledge) are statistically almost akin to what they were prior to the Port Arthur shooting.
A LOT of draconian restrictions put in place for a miniscule decrease in gun violence. Our rate of gun violence was still very low relative to the US when guns were readily available to anyone. We still had some safeguards in place, the lack of a “gun culture” back in the day coupled with a lack of ease of access to handguns likely accounted for the low rate of shootings… And believe you me, there are still shootings in Aus, the media doesn’t report on them very often though; presumably as to not make it appear as if Australia still has gun violence.
Otherwise perhaps people might question as to whether our policy here has been a failure; and we can’t have that! Our gun ban has been used as a justification for countless public safety initiatives…
Right wing governance is fine here… So long as you cater towards an autocratic mindset.
Yes… It’s a constitutional right to be able to travel without hindrance but Oceania doesn’t have a charter for human rights, we don’t have a federal anti corruption body etc.
So whilst we might have some legislature that says this on paper, those up top can theoretically do whatever the fuck they want to do.
jokes on you, I take an SNRI! Not an SSRI! SSRI just didn’t cut it anymore
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I was given an NDRI that was supposed to make me quit smoking. Made me smoke even more lol. Did make me more horny, though.
Why not switch to vaping if you are nicotine dependent?
Sure, it looks obnoxious; but the data available appears to indicate it’s not as harmful as combustible tobacco products. You can tinker with a customisable vape to allow for a “throat hit” similar to cigarettes, you can even get tobacco flavoured E liquid.
I don’t vape myself, though I know a bit about them now. Though I do have a vape that is designed for vegetables… What a waste of money that was, brought it a month ago and haven’t used it once!
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Because it’s BANNED!!! Lol!
Regardless, I don’t smoke much these days anyway. That was a couple of years back.
Australia is going to ban vapes this October (I think it’s October) because we are so pragmatic and progressive.
Importing E cigarettes will = prison, because somehow we have so much time in our hands we can afford to worry about bullshit like this.
Vaping is only banned in a handful of countries worldwide. A few in Asia, Uruguay, Brazil and now soon to be Australia
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Is snus, snuff etc also banned over there? Snuff is a type of smokeless tobacco, not to be confused with the term coined for movies that show actors actually dying on screen
I don’t get the vaping thing probably because I never followed the news. E cigarettes already were around and dispensed by pharmacists from almost 20 years ago. I don’t know if they’re the same but they’re also banned now.
Never tried them.
I have no idea what that is lol. If it’s good shit, it’s probably banned.
It’s all banned in Australia. Any form of tobacco product that can’t be smoked is banned here, though you can import for personal use so long as you pay an absurd, prohibitively expensive tax on the product.
The black market for tobacco here is HUGE, a large portion of all tobacco sales/funds go to the black market tobacco trade here… That’s what you get for hiking the price up to 40-50$/pack.
Smokeless tobacco isn’t free of risk, but it’s a far cry away from smoking cigarettes. Even one ciggy/day skyrockets heart disease risk!
I’ve never seen that being used before. I think there’s just no demand for them here. Even when I was growing up when large billboards still had Tom Selleck as The Marlboro Man on them, I don’t recall anyone using stuff like that.
It’s not common, but it exists and as specified they’re less risky alternatives
Also lets consider population density.
Florida: 353 per square mile
California: 251 per square mile
A lot of variables at play here.
At the end of the day. To come full circle.
I will reiterate once more:
I would rather harbour the risk and live in a free society than capitulate to the demands of the government in exchange for security.
Lets reign in this bloated central gov. Embrace the tenets of federalism. Which if I recall from my 10th grade civics course broadly speaking placed emphasis on the states being allowed to govern themselves how they saw fit.
So if you like lockdowns go to California. If your from a state that has loose restrictions then California can barre your entrance.
If you want less restrictions move to a state that chooses that.
I have no education on this subject beyond grade 10 but hey it was an AP Civics course in a magnet school. Cream of the crop. Which as we all know. Rises to the top. On balance off balances doesn’t matter I am better than you.
Bupropion?
Yep.
They are considered right wing, conservatives, but they have moved with the Overton window’s massive swing to the left. They actually don’t do anything to conserve traditional values. For better or worse they agree with everything left is doing(gay marriage, abortion), or stupidly allow the extreme left policies to stay in place( renaming everything with Aboriginal names, hate speech rather than free speech, Marxist loonies at all levels of education, and in the public service, esp the military and the police)
rather than reform them when they have the chance.
It was most noticeable with Howard. I don’t think it was by long design, he’s not that smart.The end result is the same as if it was though. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
Once upon a time I would have never have questioned the Port Arthur narrative. There are a lot things that don’t add up when everything is closely examined. Martin Bryant was definitely a nut job, but was he a patsy? False flag operation? Who knows, I am prepared to entertain the idea. All the cabinet papers on the topic have been specially sealed from the public for 30 years( it could be more). You don’t do that unless you have something to hide.
That cunt Howard is never going to pay for his traitorous behavior to the Australian people. We are too soft. He probably still thinks he’s a hero when he’s damned us all. Typical self serving politician.