Neither would someone who advocated for equal rights for all races, sexes, religions or sexual orientations. Neither would someone who believes citizens have the right to protest things like the flag (without having the president calling for your cancellation). Neither would someone who was pro-choice (under the Nazis abortion was punishable by death).
You brought it up. You showed your ignorance, fueled by partisanship, on the subject. I came in with facts.
I think you need to read a book instead of memes.
Iāll summarize it for you: Americans suck at history.
No, the thread creator brought up Stalin and Hitler. Seems pertinent, given the subject at hand.
But hey, I know you wonāt let that stop you from living your truth. Keep splitting those hairs.
This is where you started with infiltrating the thread with your MAGA viewpoint. You just had to take the opportunity to compare Dems to Hitler, regardless of relevance to the thread or with regard to facts.
This is your response to facts.
I was way out of line to suggest that the party of race politics, censorship, Chau-trials, and authoritarian Covid restrictions could possibly have more overlap with authoritarians of decades past than modern Republicans.
Especially in a thread about authoritarian events taking place today.
Thankfully we have an expert in Italy who knows more about laws than a lawyer and more about policing than cops to set the record straight with endless nit-picking.
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No, you were just ignorant, uneducated, lacking facts, etc.
On, not in. We can compare qualifications on the subject, if you want.
OK, whatever that means.
I never said that but I do know more about it than you. We can compare qualifications on this as well.
This is more like you trying to compare Dems to Nazis. Or is that cherry picking?
It is.
I said they have more policy overlap, then saidā¦
Yet here you are, patting yourself on the back for arguing against points I never made.
The Democrats are not trying to re-create the Nazi party or anything like it. Theyāre trying to be American Democrats, which have a less-than-stellar track record when it comes to policy for the entire life of that party.
Thereās practically no resemblance to Naziās at all once you get past the authoritarian lockdowns, sudden and dramatic changes to how elections are executed, race-based policies, race-based rhetoric, open censorship, monolithic propaganda outlets and brazen propagandist messaging thatās completely disconnected from reality, unevidenced and is now akin to a game of Simon Says.
But keep doing what you do, both parties are the same guy.
Australia sucks balls right now, I really feel for you guys. That said, I think you need an American in here to set the record straight on something from the start of this thread.
Iām as big of a fan of Australia and Australians as youāll find in the USA, but cāmon now. Australiaās never been the envy of the world about anything. It is an island full of criminal rejects infested with prehistoric beasts, venomous insects, venomous reptiles, foxes with wings, spiders that eat mammals, vast swaths of wasteland, Lord Humungous and other aspiring totalitarians, AC/DC and Wolfmother.
Okay, okay. I admit that I like both AC/DC and Wolfmother. I suppose you can also call Lord Humungous and I āfellow travelersā.
I hope you guys can find some Dan Crenshaws in your midst. Heās a congressman from Texas and all-around American badass with many admirable qualities and politics I can get behind.
I can never stay mad at Australia though. Not when you gave us Michelle Jennekeās warm-up dance.
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Was about to comment on thisā¦ These two bands are part of my playlist
Theyāre certainly not a negative aspect of Aus imo
Weāve got quite a fewā¦ But all those who advocate for civil disobedience with regards to lockdowns have their businesses shut down, face large fines or even worse; criminal penalization.
Funny, because people are having to shut down their businesses regardlessā¦ Not as if itād be particularly different regardless of your public stance on lockdowns
Thatās why it takes courage, leadership and stubborn bastards who will always end up rubbing someone the wrong way.
Holy crap sheās stunning!
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Absolutely nothing. But a significant portion happily allow themselves to be further subjugated by the chains of tyrannical injustice.
500 dollar fines for not wearing a mask in public.
4000 dollar fine for being found outside of your 5 km bubble.
People have been stopped upon returning from shopping had the contents of their bags inspected to only then be told by the officer āThose donāt appear like essential goods to meā.
Sure we can wrap ourselves in bubble wrap. Indulge the government in their efforts to keep the populace āsafeā but is the sacrifice worth it.
I would rather harbour the risk than live in a society in which my freedom is regularly infringed upon.
This fucking uproar and for what. I know this has been discussed ad nauseam in other threads.
33 k case in Australia
900 deaths.
Below 50 YO there have been 6 deaths. If you include 50-59 you can add another 16. So 33 k cases 22 deaths of people below 60. I donāt have access to the specifics regarding those deaths but I would wager comorbid conditions were likely present.
So vast majority of deaths are in the 70 + range. But as it stands on 29th of July. 75-80 % in the 70 + age brackets have had one dose of the vaccine and 50 % are fully vaccinated.
What the fuck is reason for draconian measures.
California was probably the most like Australia regarding lock down measures.
If I recall Florida didnāt lock down at all.
Was there a difference in outcomes? Asides from the economic hit that California suffered.
I never realised how insidious an oppressive authoritarian conquest might be. You donāt even know itās happening until its already happened.
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Quite the fine for breaking hotel quarantine (prison in most states) or having a visitor overā¦
Not even, California isnāt locking people up for breaking restrictions
Iāve been complaining about Aus for years now but my concerns were always dismissed āit isnāt Chinaā. The argument above seems highly disingenuous, just because we arenāt as bad as a country with one of the worldās worst human rights records doesnāt mean we donāt take authoritative stances on public policy.
The terminology āpolice stateā doesnāt have to equate to North Korea. I think pulling kids over in public and subjecting them to strip searches over a bit of pot is pretty draconian, I think arresting and charging whistleblowers in secret trials is approaching police state territory etc.
Public supportā¦ Headspinningly idiotic politics? Because power is an aphrodisiac? I sTaNd wItH dAnā¦
Yes. But you meant, you want to believe they do. Itās not like you offered any proof as you came to that conclusion without any proof. Itās justā¦ your truth.
In that case, the US would be a police state.
You guys donāt have sniffer dogs roaming the streets, strip search tents set up outside train stations, pubs etc.
The extent by which these dogs are used in NSW is virtually unprecedented within secular democracies. Police powers are also extensive, far reachingā¦ law enforcement here is an impenetrable fortress.
In cases of alleged police misconduct it has been ruled police donāt have to turn over bodycam footageā¦ And to my knowledge theyāre allowed to turn off bodycams whenever they want here.
We did have stop and frisk. NSA snooping. Guantanamo Bay. Waco. Ruby Ridge. Snowden. Daniel Hale.
Not to burst the bubble of your anti-lockdown narrative, but as of last week FL alone was responsible for 20% of infections in our entire nationās current uptick:
And since we must also consider the broader, national perspective:
But back to FL, weāve actually reached the point where county mayors are, in fact, openly defying DeSantisā (ongoing) defiance:
So yeah, thereās that.
And I misspoke earlier: I absolutely did mean to burst the bubble of your hyper-partisan-from-afar narrative ā ie. FL isnāt at all the shining anti-lockdown example that you want it to be ā but umm, thanks for your contribution to the (ongoing) politicization of a public health crisis!
(apology to the OP for the non-Aussie diversion)