“It’S fOr tHe GrEaTeR gOoD”
If you ever wonder why I’m such a staunch advocate against leftist policy in the USA, it is in no small part due to observations of other countries who are further along the path that Democrats are trying to lead us down.
Policy really matters and there are major policy differences between our two main parties. Democrats in the USA would love for us to be more like Australia.
It is also worthwhile to point out what little recourse Australians have to do anything about the authoritarianism presently being imposed on Australians.The worldwide push for naked authoritarianism by leftists is quite real, playing out in plain sight.
Do you really believe that improving the overall well being of Australians is the reason for these insane policies?
You’re aware a right wing government is currently in power within Aus right? On the news, NSW (bringing the millitary in for covid) is run by Gladys Berijiklian, arguably the most right wing active premier in the country.
You have right wing authoritarianism too. The mainstream left/right parties in Australia both cater towards authoritative, nanny state mentalities
This is the party currently in power
Not quite, Australia is in its own league with its batshit nanny state bullshit. We are culturally different on many levels. From our use of provocative, crass humour to how we generally shun PC culture to our nanny state semantics
The more “woke” Democrats as a generalisation wouldn’t tolerate our jokes, our manner of talking etc. They’d be all for our draconian gun control, policies in place to favour “public safety” that otherwise impart government supervision regarding day to day activities etc. It’s not black and white
The strip searching of kids, public strip searches over pot, sniffer dogs roaming the streets in Sydney etc… All the right wing government. Speed traps everywhere dishing out fines for going 3km over the speed limit (removing warning signs too)… Largely the right wing government here
Lockout laws (scrapped now)… Left wing government. Excessive policing of festivals? Right wing government
Laws banning certain protests? Both left and right wing governments. Mass surveillance bills here? Peter Dutton… Very conservative, largely the right wing government
Closing the borders, shutting off international arrivals? Left wing government
Yeah that’s not a very conservative set of policies by American standards. It is downright totalitarian and not part of mainstream conservative or Republican policy or rhetoric in the USA.
If the policies in AUS are “right wing”, then the polices I live under in a Democrat state are extreme far right.
Call it whatever you want, Democrats in the USA are the ones pushing for more of it.
Not really… I’m trying to convey the difference in a way that makes sense… It’s difficult to explain
Culturally the US and Aus differs, our right wing parties generally aren’t focused on civil liberties. They cater more towards a “soft right wing authoritarian” stance, our left wing party caters towards a “soft left wing authoritarian” stance
Your abortion laws (most states) in the US would be considered very conservative here. Legalised prostitution is also supported (and is the case in all states) by both left and right wing parties here, could you imagine that being the case in the US? A lack of religious influence means we are generally far less puritanical about sex, and that is reflected by our societal policies over abortion, contraception, how parents view sex and sexual education.
Many economic policies imparted by the liberal party are akin to that of the Republicans in the US, as is their stance on climate change. Our healthcare policy is more akin to how democrats envision healthcare ought to work in the US, and it works very well for us. Our standard of healthcare is pretty good, not free; but subsidized for everyone.
If you read my edits to the post above your reply you’ll note i’ve outlined examples numerous nanny state policies supported or imparted by the mainstream left/right wing parties in Aus.
Just because it doesn’t meet America’s criteria for democratic policy or Republican policy doesn’t mean that it isn’t “left wing” or “right wing”. Democrats and Republicans don’t encompass all that is on the left/right spectrum. Hitler’s pathetic Nazi party was right wing, Stalin’s brand of barbaric socialism was left… Neither correlate with how democrats or Republicans wish to run society
Agreed, we appear to be creeping towards police state territory. My goal is to have left the country for good before that happens
My hope is that we eventually have some sort of clap back, leading to a massive swing in the pendulum. Unfortunately it appears youth generations are growing more and more accepting and complacent over authoritative governing than ever… So long as the way of governing fits with their ideological mentalities.
It’s not hard to politically manipulate public opinion within Australia, and free, independent thought amongst youth is now frowned upon (by other youths that is). Counterculture is increasingly dying out, it’s all one big circle jerk/echo chamber. Going against the grain of the status quo can lead to ostracism, it’s a HUGE issue I have with woke culture. It’s a herd mentality that usually involves doing little thinking for oneself (rather you regurgitate statements “IsReAl iS a GeNoCiDaL tErRoRiSt ReGiEmE”) and act high and mighty as if your shit don’t stink.
I’ve noted the same irritating attitude tends to be present with some staunch Republicans, so it’s not universal to wokism, albeit highly prevalent amongst that crowd. At least the staunch Republicans don’t always advocate for authoritative rules and regulations @twojarslave
Then again, the majority of mainstream centrist democrats aren’t nanny state authoritarian advocates.
I think the dispute boils down to how we use words differently. To my conservative mind, Hitler and Stalin are not opposites on a spectrum. Both were big government totalitarians at their core. There’s almost no Republican overlap with Nazi policies. Dems and Commies, well, I think it’s fair to call them fellow travelers.
I forget that much of the rest of the world consider the National Socialist Party to be right wing and still thinks about politics that way.
When I hear about politics in AUS it sounds like there’s no real equivalent to modern American conservatives like Rob Desantis, governor of Florida.
It seems like you’ve just got different flavors of totalitarian control freaks.
We need a larger influence through minor parties in federal and state governments. A huge difference could be made if we had more people voting in protest for minor parties like the reason party (left wing party that caters towards upholding civil liberties), the liberal democrats (right wing libertarian minded party) etc.
I’ll probably be voting liberal democrats next election
@Beyond_Beyond (vote for these guys, better yet… Let’s become members and show up to meetings subtly making odd hand gestures towards one another that no one (including ourselves) understand whilst wearing necklaces with testosterone molecule pendants)
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I’d be voting for more freedom and less totalitarianism no matter what the party calls itself.
This is scary stuff going on.
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Liberal democrats doesn’t =/= democrats in America
They’re a conservative party
See that, a lefty (albeit only slightly left leaning) voting conservative to uphold the values he believes in that aren’t present within the mainstream left wing party here.
Australia was always a nanny state, but covid has kicked in our democratic decline into overdrive. Look up the “identify and disrupt” bill being tabled here by the conservative government (set to pass)
Mass surveillance bill that’d effectively allow police to access your info/access your digital records without a warrant whenever they want.
We already have some of the weakest privacy laws relative to the US and Eastern Europe (if not the weakest). A mass criminal sting conducted through Aus intelligence provoked this bill … But the only reason the FBI chose to collaborate with Aus was because our privacy laws were already so weak therefore they could do things over here they couldn’t get away with in the US. Since the operation was a success our PM said “this is why we need to weaken these laws and make them even more nonexistent comparative to what they are now!” @twojarslave
Of course no public uproar, no objections…
Good. Vote the sociopathic control freaks out before they consolidate power.
I’ll try, but I’d have to get what… Ten millions others on board
More realistic scenario is
- I finish my studies
- get a job overseas
- leave
I’d love to live in Alaska, or various Nordic countries, the Netherlands, Canada or northern Ireland.
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People who bring up the Socialist part of Nazi as proof that it was left wing or socialist, or whatever, betray their ignorance on the subject. For some reason, some on the right have brought this up as some sort of proof and feel like they discovered something new; something no one noted before.The truth is that scholars have addressed this issue decades ago. Anyone who tries to claim that Hitler was a socialist or left wing is either lying to push some agenda or is uneducated on the subject. My response to anyone who comments on Hitler is have they read Mein Kampf. The answer is always no. That’s when I know to disregard anything they have to say on the subject. This is true whether they are a liberal or conservative.
This is Hitler’s explanation. Keep in mind when he brings up Liberal, that it does not mean the same thing in Europe as it does currently in America. He also mention the rights of the productive classes and believes in private property:
‘Socialism’, he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, ‘is the science of dealing with the common weal [health or well-being]. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.
‘Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality and, unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.
‘We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our Socialism is national. We demand the fulfillment of the just claims of the productive classes by the State on the basis of race solidarity. To us, State and race are one…
If straw men weren’t a thing you’d have nobody to argue with.
The case I clearly made in plain English is that is that there is no significant overlap between American Republicans and the National Socialist Party.
The words you quoted were an admission that Right Wing means different things in different countries.
People love to do the No True Scotsman argument when it comes to Nazis and exactly how socialist they really were.
One thing is clear, they weren’t conservative Republicans. They were kinda all about taking stuff from one group and giving it to another on a massive scale.
But that’s not REAL socialism.
It seems to me that the agenda driven liars are the ones who try to draw a direct line from Nazis to Republicans because they’re both “right wing”.
There’s more policy overlap between Nazis and modern Democrats than with modern Republicans.
WHAT
I’m not saying there’s a ton, just that there’s more.
I imagine someone advocating for liberty, less government control, race-neutral policies and (in theory) keeping business as disconnected from government as possible would not be a very good Nazi party member.
And to keep it on-topic, it sounds like Australia could use a Ron Desantis, but would never have him to begin with.
Scary, scary stuff unprecedented in the Western world during my lifetime. This is the kind of stuff I’d hear about from my extended family in Poland, who were well versed in both flavors of totalitarian big government.
Obey.
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You are truly a useful idiot. You comparing Dems to Nazis is just as stupid and ignorant as those on the left who said things like Trump was “literally” Hitler. Have you read Mein Kampf? We both know the answer is no.
This is so vague it’s nonsensical. They were about taking from specific groups, for racial reasons not economic class, and giving it to another group, again for racial reasons. Does this sound familiar? Maybe what happened to the Indians in this country? Manifest Destiny has more in common with lebensraum or spazio vitale than anything from modern democrats. In fact, Ayn Rand believed that what happened to the Indians was appropriate and just, and she is a major influence on modern republicans, so…
This is a thread about emerging authoritarianism and you want to split hairs about authoritarians from 100 years ago.
I think you’re needed in the comments section of the St. Louis times. There’s people in there who think Democrats are the ones defunding the police. You should go set the record straight.
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