Covid in Australia

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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A byproduct of an awesome archetype that no longer exists. Replaced by extensively risk averse, ginormous wet blankets.

I’ve just found out the plan for when my state has seventy percent of adults vaccinated (that’s right, 70%) we will be able to travel TEN kilometres from our homes instead of five. Hard lockdown, martial law type shit (curfews etc) is in place till at least October… and has been for around 200 out of the last 365 days (there’s hard lockdown, lockdown and light lockdown). Regular lockdown + hard lockdown has been in place for close to 230 days. Include light lockdown and it’s even longer… If you count border closures as lockdown you’re looking at over 500 days…

That seriously deviates from the national plan… Thankfully I’ve found a way to potentially get out soon… Before the years end…

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You are right. At least for the moment. But like I cannot see the deep inner working of Australia, you cannot see the U.S. from the level of nuance. And I don’t want to leave, I am just not numb-brained enough to believe ‘it cannot happen here’. It can and it’s heading in that direction. What I do not see is the stop gap to the madness. Like you, we have a problem of mass compliance. We have policemen letting people riot, loot and kill but on the other hand, if a coffeeshop wants to open (under covid restrictions) we have police arresting, unconstitutionally patrons and owners. You have looters in the streets not spreading covid under the banner of BLM, but people holding a prayer service in a park are arrested.
The decline has begun. I am not ready to leave yet, but one has to be attentive and understand the way things are headed.
year, you could not have even imagined where you are today. Look how fast it changed. I am not going to be caught with my pants down. And I hope to fix it.
But I am working within the system against those who have no regard for it. And that makes it that much more painful and difficult.
People here are obsessed with the cult of personality rather than facts and reality. It’s what led Australia down the rabbit hole and we are close behind.
I do have options. Not great ones, but I have a place to go if the shit hits the fan here. So I am partially kidding about where to go. I have a place.
Like I said, we are a year behind you, currently. At our current pace they will continue to build the wall to keep people in before long.
The 3 trillion dollar legislation, the ‘infrastructure’ bill is an unconstitutional mass stripping of civil liberties if passed in its current form. About 5% actually goes to infrastructure. The rest goes to socialist wet dreams of carving out people by identity and placing them ‘where they belong’, nationalization of elections, and so, so much more. The infrastructure they are trying to change is the system of the republic itself. It’s not hyperbole to say that. Just like there, the government is using covid as an excuse to strip us of our most basic rights.
Unlike there, we have factions and entire states fighting back, so that may slow the roll into pure oligarchy.
The far left has control over public space, intelligence, means of production and probably most importantly education. Who’s to blame won’t matter much if things don’t change direction. And we still have our guns if push comes to shove. But one has to be prepared to save one’s ass. When I see the house is on fire, I am not going to wait hopefully to see if I am going to get burned by it.
Who is to blame, I think republicans. They do nothing and they say nothing and they saw the dangers and did nothing to stop it or even slow it down.
I am not looking to leave. I am just getting prepared in case I have to. And like you, I will not publicly disclose where.

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Well, I hope you are right and I am wrong. The trajectory and the slippery slopes are trending in a very bad direction. But don’t think for a moment it can’t or won’t happen here. Look how fast it changed for you. It can happen just as fast here.
We do have people who will stand up and I do what I can. And maybe things like the catastrophic failures in afghanistan will derail the far-left’s best made plans.
Like I said, I prefer to be wrong and will gladly look like a fool.
I know how shit works, though. Evil always eventually loses, its the time in between that I fear.

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Most of them are in gaol, on trumped up charges. On remand, no bail until trial which are put off for as long as possible(many months), because “Covid” (not because of Covid, just Covid, deal with serfs). Genuine political prisoners.

Local Mum attacks police in defence of the Cossack during service of FPO! - YouTube

The Aussie Cossack is a local hero. He has managed to outsmart the police in public many times and posted in on youtube. By outsmart I mean he’s played within their rules and beaten them. They don’t like it and are trying to harass and nobble him by any means.
Despite owning no firearms(all firearms are registered so they know who owns and what they have) he was served with a firearms prohibition order. This is a serious piece of legislation which is designed to deal with violent criminals, and organised crime.

Despite there being no evidence of him owning a firearm, legally or otherwise, no evidence of violent threats, or actions, they served him with it. As far as I know there has to be great cause shown to grant a FPO, eg being found guilty of a serious crime.
He hasn’t even been accused of something that might justify a FPO, let alone been found guilty.
Its pure harassment, on a political basis. Corruption through and through. The FPO allows police to raid you any time without the need a specific search warrant each time. Search any car or residence you happen to be at, even if it infringes some other innocent person’s rights. So they raid you as many times as you want to break you, and make an example out of you to discourage anyone else in the public from complaining.

Nick Patterson, former UFC fighter. A Christian and strong family man. People’s rights advocate. An intelligent and reasoned man.
Well Researched Aussie Man Puts The Police In Their Place Like A Boss (bitchute.com)

After this video, several blocks later, after being let go, free to leave without charge, he and his small group are ambushed, corralled, beaten up and arrested. Nicks’s shoulder was dislocated in the assault. To add insult to injury they charged high with several counts of assaulting police. He has been in gaol, on remand for nearly 3 months. I have no idea if or when there is a trial date. They are obviously trying to keep him in gaol for as long as they can. He is a man people would rally behind.

Full video, with the same info in the first, but longer. Assault starts 15.40 ish. You can’t see much of what happens. I have seen other angles but can’t find the videos at the moment. They show the police instigated the violence, and it doesn’t look like they are resisting arrest.
Melbourne Australia: Unlawful Assault & Detention of Nick Patterson et al [Full Incident] (bitchute.com)

People’s rights activist, honorable woman, Monica Smit,who speaks out in public against tyrannical abuses of power, gets arrested for “incitement”(not inciting violence. That’s just what they are now calling a thought crime these days).
Monica Smit Arrested On Highway For “Incitement”! Australian Police Arrest Reignite AUS Democracy (bitchute.com)

She was offered bail, but the conditions were so onerous, it meant stopping her forming a genuine political party, which she was in the process of doing,silencing her free speech, stopping online communications. She chose to stay on remand rather than submit to the bullshit, unlawful restrictions. A woman of principle, admirable.

The police are enforcing the whims of the govt, not independently enforcing the law of the land as they are supposed too. The judiciary are working hand in glove with the police and government. The definition of an Authoritarian state, rather than a free and fair society. This is the kind of behavior I would expect in Mugabe’s Zimbabwe, or Burma, or Russia. I never believed this would be remotely possible in Australia. That is how far my country has fallen.

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I don’t advocate for this in the slightest but… This was an occurrence with the BLM protests. In Aus police literally beat the shit out of and find, arrest and imprison protestors.

Out of curiosity… If you has to pick one extreme to live under, which would you prefer?

This kind of BS started to become commonplace around six years ago. However only in the past two years has it become extremely prevalent and what serves as an extra kick in the nuts is … the public supports it

“WeLl hE sHoUlDn’T hAvE bRoKeN tHe RuLeS”

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They can’t even follow their own rules. They don’t even pretend to. They do what they want.

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Neither. I prefer equal justice under the law. I prefer laws that are aligned with constitutional principles. A key weakness in our system has been exposed. The judicial branch has no means of enforcement at the federal level. Meaning SCOTUS can rule, fine. Then ‘leaders’ make unconstitutional decrees and say to the public, ‘If you don’t like it, sue us.’ So people do, the people win. Then these same leaders just make another unconstitutional rule and say ‘sue us’. The judiciary has no way of enforcing their decisions. So unless an unconstitutional edict is chalagened, it stands. What they have figured out, is they can keep doing it, because there is no consequence and they can create more rules than people have money to sue them over it. The judiciary has no way of making sure their decisions are enforced. The enforcement comes from the executive branch. So when it’s the executive branch making the unconstitutional edicts, they have to be sued every time, or the edict remains law. So yeah, their exploiting a weakness in the system. A weakness republicans knew was there and never shored up. I supposed incase they wanted to do it.
Someone asked Peter Hitchens a while back about these things, which were discussed in a book he had just finished. And they asked him “How far can it go?” He answered, “All the way.”
I thought the system was stronger than it is. It’s actually hanging on by a thread. It’s been exposed as very 2 dimensional and people are starting to notice and lose faith.

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Well, like I said, I an only comment on what I have seen out of Australia, I don’t have the on the ground perspective you do. I have seen Sky News push back against the draconian edicts and the other various media fully support the authoritarianism.

What you are talking about, is something currently in flux here, known as the Overton Window. It basically describes where the middle is, with respect to the main political forces. And what has happened there and is being attempted here, is to shift that window to the left so much, that previous even very tepid, center leaning views are now considered to the extreme right.
I’ll give you an example, if you know who Bill Maher is… Bill Maher has always touted himself and others agreed as ‘very liberal’, i.e. left. Bill Maher is now considered a centrist. And what used to be considered the ‘conservative democrat’ is now far right. That’s why they can get away with calling normal more conservative leaning people 'Nazi’s. They didn’t used to be Nazi’s, but the overton window has shifted so far left, that what is considered ‘conservative’ but not Nazi, is also left-wing in reality, but according to the Overton Window, they are conservative. Which means they mostly agree with the left, but just think they should slow down and be more civil about it. We are tearing ourselves apart.
Hence, the Overton Window has shifted so much in your country, that you are considered a crack-pot, radical conservative, when you probably consider yourself a liberal, or classical liberal at best.

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But if you had a gun to your head and HAD to choose? I’d choose the total anarchy… not that I’d ever advocate for anarchy.

Why? Because I’d rather die as opposed to living under the rule of a regime akin to China, North Korea etc. Lawlessness or pure authoritarianism. Lawlessness would inevitably lead to mass societal casualty, survival of the fittest. Live under an authoritarian regime wherein I have no power/control over what’s going on and I’ll live out an absolutely miserable life and may be subject to persecution for… being myself…

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Look into “the Australian”… most articles are behind a paywall, but you can use archive.is to view archives that invalidate the paywall.

Otherwise, it’s a far right source but from my plausibly biased perspective rebel news seems to encompass what’s going on. Based upon my interactions with law enforcement, what I’ve seen go down coupled with the legislature passed, the restrictive nature of live here at the moment; Rebel News appears to tell the side of the story that isn’t being told on cable TV

However various states are trying to invalidate the platform as being a viable source of news. They’re not the greatest, as they have a HUGE bias relative to many issues… but the covid stuff… they’re not entirely off. They don’t give the entire story, so balance it out by watching rebel news, looking at articles from the Australian etc and mainstream media.

Mainstream media in Aus may push a hyperbolic, hysterical narrative but you are far enough away from the issue to look at it with a semi rational lens. When we talk of awful teenagers arrested and fined for sitting out on a beach at night… or horrible protestors who DARE protest for the ability to travel more than five kilometres from home! You’ll see how ridiculous it is… Watch anecdotes from contemporary media, look at rebel news… also check out a few sources that swing to the left… Make up your mind by looking at all possible narratives.

To most overseas it’ll be obvious this country has lost it’s mind

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I would choose the gun, for the reasons you stated. But I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees. The problem with anarchy is it gives rise to despotism just the same, that’s Somalia. It’s not the government, it’s a friggin’ warrior tribe that wants your shit.
The problem is, there is no gun and they don’t do it all at once, they start with a premise you agree with and ride the slippery slope into authoritarianism. And since you cannot pay attention to others all the time, before you know it, your in a tyranny and you probably should have shot yourself, but its too late.

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Or, as is the case in Australia
… People don’t care, it’s all for “the greater good”.

A large portion of concerning legislation hardly makes it to public eye

Until an authoritarian regime clamps down, those initially in support now find themselves on the other end of the stick

There’s a fair portion of the population here that will stay on board no matter how restrictive and invasive our society becomes.

Enough to almost certainly assure there would be little in the way of resistance strong enough to provoke a successful revolution.

Our youth paradigm (both on the left and right political spectrums) seem to love autocratic constructs.

You can’t blame what’s happened in Aus over traditional “left” and “right” political spectrums… It’s a problem engrained within almost the entirety of our political spectrum

Hell, there’s another bill that will probably pass aimed at classifying all conduct that occurs within the national cabinet… Further shrouding our state and federal rulers in secrecy.

Why should the public need to know? It’s all for the greater good

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Is this quarantine app real?

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I’m hearing Joe Rogan’s podcast will be banned in Australia because he didn’t get vaccinated, got COVID, survived and dared to speak about what he did lol

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Yeah, you can assign blame to people of a political persuasion. Of course you can. ‘Democratic’ or ‘Republic’ type governments are adversarial by design.
Here’s all you need to know about political persuasion and who is at fault currently and trace back that history and see if it’s really actually different. Who is in power? Which political persuasion are all these people affiliated with? What are their core beliefs. Chances are, you’ll find some truly abominable influence like Marx in their doctrinal beliefs. You can say all sides are shit, that’s usually universally true everywhere at all times. But the people in power are doing this to you, not the people who are not in power.
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He’s vaccinated.

Anyone wanna place bets on whether Eddie Bravo has been vaccinated lmao? I’m gonna say it’s an obvious “no”.

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Here you go, AUS.

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Some post hardcore music over here!

I didn’t take you for someone who was into punk/punk influenced music.

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Man, I just heard a really good review of the dystopia that is Australia and the recently passed legilation that allows the government to delete, invade and edit personal media devices. The probation like requirements where if you are listed as some sort of ‘at risk’ person, the government forces you to download an app on your phone with geolocation and the threats for random compliance checks resulting in the police be sent if compliance is seen as not being met. It’s really unbelievable.
I know you guys cannot do much, but I’d throw as many monkey wrenches into the system as possible. Hack phones, manipulate the geo-location capabilities. Friggin’ forward everything in your ‘spam’ and ‘junk’ folders to government entities. Any little thing you can do to screw them up, that won’t land you in jail, do it.
If you are creative, you can do lot’s of little stuff that sabotages the government’s authoritarianism.
Call the police all the time and refer them to empty lots where someone wasn’t wearing a mask, stuff like that. Cut your finger, go to the ER. Anything.

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Everyone has to do this with QR code check ins anyway

Easy way to get around it is… Don’t download the app or check in with QR codes.

I check in manually

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