New polls indicate 11%. Prior to Pfizer coming out it was 30%
Ahh yes. I was looking at data that was 1-2 days old. My days blend together.
Impressive uptick.
Should do regardless.
Not until you overthrow the government. Until then youāre nothing but talk.
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Iāll create a millitia armed with nothing because even slingshots are illegal in the majority of Australian states
Then we will get arrested at our first protest, Aus will come down on us with the full force of our bioterrorism units.
Secret trials will ensue, as have been done with whistleblowers over the past few years and we will be sentenced to multiple consecutive life sentences without the possibility or paroleā¦ All out of public eye
Orā¦ We can vote them out (not gonna happen, both mainstream options are arguably authoritarian)
Iāll take my option of leaving and not coming back whilst I still canā¦ Maybe I can drum up a following on (shudders) social media or something (ew) and create awareness over whatās going on down here
Most EU/US residents react with shock and disbelief when they hear about what has happened over here. We were a nanny state, catering towards soft autocracyā¦ But we almost always abode by democratic principlesā¦ Until covid came around, then the switch between democracy and autocracy came in full force. Now mass cencorship, manipulation of statistics etc seems to be omnipresent.
More footage tonight of police suiting up in riot gear and trampling protestors in melbourne on horseback, arresting as many as possible for breaking 5km (roughly 3 miles) radiuses, not wearing masks, for āreckless endangerment of the publicā, for protesting (thatās specifically illegal now) etc. Victoria (state where Melbourne resides in) had six cases in the community todayā¦ THATāS what justified mass arrests tonight
The 5km radius literally means you canāt travel more than 5km away from home under any circumstance unless itās for work or doctors appointmentsā¦ South Australia restricted that to a 2.5km radius
I wonāt overthrow the governmentā¦ But Iāll bitch and moan about them a whole lot on here. That ought to do something
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Unfortunately that is exactly how it would go down.
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Donāt think I wonātā¦ Being an Australian citizen means jack shit nowdays. Being an Australian overseas = you donāt even have the right to enter your own country.
I was joking about the militia, but yesā¦ Thatās exactly how it would go down
Idk if you heard about the arrest of the producer from friendlyjordies. I donāt agree with a lot of his content, but freedom of speech is pivotal to a democracy.
The channel was criticising the NSW government. Friendlyjordies loves labour, was pointing out corruption in the NSW liberal governmentā¦ Now the corruption is very real, very presentā¦ But labour arenāt any better, both parties are rifle with scandalous activity
Besides the point, they turned to single out one guyā¦ Forgot his name, the one who replaces Gladyās when sheās away
What was the result? The producer was arrested by a counterterrorism squad, held without bail for as long as possible, sent to court, given a gag order with the threat of a long jail sentence if brokenā¦ Because he criticised the government? Arrested by a COUNTERTERRORISM unit, had his home raided and everythingā¦ For criticising the government.
Whatā¦ Theā¦ Fuckā¦
Some dEmOcRaCy
Yes, That was pretty fucked up. Makes John Barillaro look even more corrupt than he first appeared.
The alleged horse punching guy, got bail today. 2 weeks on remand for something that is so obviously false, and an abuse by the Police, Govt, and the courts.
Jesusā¦ They kept him locked up all this time
I saw the footage, perhaps be did punch the horse ORā¦ Perhaps police on horseback were muscling in on protesters and an angry guy who was about to be toppled over either threw a punch or tried to put his hand out back to close the distance
I donāt care what he did, the matter of the fact isā¦ Police shouldnāt be arresting and imprisoning people who protest against some of the draconian, prolonged and tyrannical restrictions on movement known to the developed world.
Do I think we should just let it rip? Noā¦ But I donāt think this level of restriction is necessary. Covid zero is NOT, or should not be the end goal
As much as I hate Gladys Berijiklian I gotta salute her for adhering to a new narrative āzero cases isnāt the end goal, freedom isā despite immense backlash. I hope to god her approach works so other people within other states can say āwait a minute, theyāre freeā¦ Weāre notā.
That or NSW will be open, international travel and all whilst other states form a wall around NSW whist catering towards mass media manipulation and fear mongering ādid you see those THREE deaths in NSW? THREE DEATHS!!!ā Meanwhile life goes on like nothing happened over thereā¦
If that happens Iāll switch my address to my auntās place over there, get on a plane and leave
I donāt want to burn all of my bridges, when I leave Aus Iāll be applying for an exemption. If I get on a plane to NZ and leave NZ I face prison if I come backā¦ Even if I abide by all quarantine measures.
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What percentage of Australians agree with the governmentās approach, if you had to guess?
Following this covid-19 fiasco + living on campus and noting the problematic elements associated with catering towards an excessively hedonistic lifestyle I believe my political ideologies/outlook has slightly shifted
As a result, I decided to take the political compass test to see where I stand relative to around 12-18 months ago.
Here are my results
This isnāt a particularly accurate test as there are many issues it doesnāt coverā¦ But I think this is actually somewhat accurate. Split RIGHT down the middle, interesting to see for the first time an ever so slight deviation towards conservative
@Beyond_Beyond
@brickhead
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Relative to where I used to be. I canāt see it shifting further
My advocating for the upholding of civil liberties/basic human rights within a democracy stands as I still lean towards a libertarian narrative
I donāt identify as right wing, nor do I particularly wish to identify with the left left given the massive anti Isreal push and advocating for policy with a heavily socialist narrative infiltrating even the mainstream left wing parties over here.
Where does that leave me? Independent? Who knowsā¦
Probably around 70%, though support appears to be waning. I wouldāve said it was 90%+ six months ago.
But there has been a concerted effort to drown out stifle and oppress all opposing ideologies.
Australia is a nation entrenched in trepidation and paranoia. If you turn on the news here itās just ācovid, covid, covidā¦ This person DIED today, it could be you! Donāt leave home!ā
The narrative is more or less if you catch covid you WILL die and if you donātā¦ Youāll be forever afflicted by long covid.
Itās insane, people here still tend to think itāll be eliminated/itāll just go away soon. Australians also tend to be tremendously complacent towards authority, many actually ask for prolonged lockdowns, 5km radiuses, for schools whatnot to shut down indefinately over single digit case numbers.
We need to get our heads out of the sand. Any alternative opinion is instantaneously attacked. Iāve been told āyou want to leave? Good, get the fuck out, we donāt want you here.ā
Itās very much a āzero covid or nothingā approach. Though there has been a huge element encompassing media manipulation, biased experts being handpicked for their harsh on covid stance. To a degree itās been a political shit fight unveiling a nationalistic streak between states. āWho can impose the harshest lockdowns, who can impose the most punitive measures, who can pressure the federal government to enact harsher border controlsā.
People from different states are fighting with one another. If a person from Sydney has come into sayā¦ Western Australia, gone through hotel quarantine and all, theyāre a piece of shitā¦ Just because theyāre from a āhotspotā. There is no comraderyship. Just selfish dickheads who are almost as petrified of astrazenica relative to the virus.
Our policies and some of the reasons behind them are headspinningly idiotic.
Victoria has been under some of the strictest restrictions in the world for most of the year now. Looking at 5km (3 mile radiuses), on the spot arrests for going further, covid checkpoints, drone surveillance to fine people (like 2000$ fines) for not wearing masks or even higher fines for visiting a friend, roadblocks requesting identification/proof of residence, reason for being out of bounds if more than 3 miles away from home etc. Arrests and imprisonment for protesting, social media posts can get you in trouble here tooā¦ Caps on how long you can exercise outside for, imprisonment (5 years) for leaving the country, coming back, doing hotel quarantine in another country, then coming back here and quarantining again. Stranding Australians overseas, now banning Australians with dual citizenships overseas from entering the country (or leaving if they decide to visit).
Also cameras set up by vehicles looking to fine people breaking the lawsā¦ Itās almost Orwellian
Iām leaving out a ton of stuff. These restrictions are imposed whenever we have more than one case in the community. The phrase is āshort, sharp lockdowns to avoid a long oneā but this āshort, sharp lockdownā has lasted almost all year. Given we have no plan to abandon the covid zero narrative I assume the lockdowns will keep on going until the public loses patienceā¦ If thatāll ever happen with the stream of fear being doled out by federal and state governments alike
Unemployment is at record highs, businesses are shutting down all over the place, yet the politicians locking down are still being given nice juicy paychecks. Wonder how willing theyād be to lock down if every lockdown meant a 15% pay cut
Daniel Andrews says āwe are in this togetherāā¦ No we fucking arenāt, you make a cool half mil a year but these lockdowns are costing the Aus economy 10 billion per week, notwithstanding the loss in revenue from no tourism, tens of thousands of international students packing up and going homeā¦ My university has suffered extensive budget cuts, the quality of my education has suffered, my mental health has suffered tremendouslyā¦
We arenāt in this together you smug prick! Our economic recession is said at this point to be the worst since WWII
Jobkeeper payouts? Greatā¦ Whereās that money coming from? From what I assume will be the high taxation of our youth demographics when they grow up.
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I think it is a clever test that theyāve put a lot of thought into, but I donāt think it is a be-all, end-all. It seems to operate with a lot of assumptions about government that donāt fit into a conservative framework and doesnāt really give much perspective about the question of āCompared to what?ā.
I generally line up with mainstream conservative policy, but I also actually line myself up on policy lines. Iāve had a number of people who ādebate politicsā on these forums and elsewhere openly admit they donāt know the first thing about policy. The Gun Policy in the USA thread is a great example of that. This is rather common and people are entitled to their opinions. Many people donāt see a need to look past the narratives, personalities and Kabuki theater of modern politics to actually examine the legislation, EO or other policy being passed.
In other words, its mostly about the feels and this test seems to cater to that type more than someone who puts more weight on actual policy. How has voting with your feels been working out for helpless Australians right now?
I guess Iām okay with my dot.
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Maybe I live in Australia. Iāve always thought I live in the U.S., but your description of Australians so closely mirrors what I see that I am questioning itā¦
@unreal24278 - probably you already came across the newish discussion thread, Is āFreedomā worth it?" on Redditās PoliticalDiscussion, but just in case you hadnāt, itās premised around the current AUS response.
I havenāt, Iāll check it out! Thank you 
Reddit generally seems to cater towards a left wing, borderline authoritarian political slant within the Aussie user base. Iād assume most will say āno, itās not worth it because cases, deaths etc regardless of vaccination ratesā
Saw a user on r/Australia today state continual snap lockdowns should go on for the next decade or longer.
Oooo this thread is going to be interesting. A bunch of Americans, Australians and Europeans pitted against one another
FIGHT!
Americanās will probably take the pro freedom narrative, Europe will probably take the middle ground (lockdowns til vaccination quotas are met, then let it rip)
Australians will justify the loss of all civil liberties indefinately under the guise of public safety like the pathetic, subservient muppets we are.
Edit: if anyone finds me on Reddit, plz donāt link my T-nation account to my Reddit account. By all means, send me a DM or something if you wish to chatā¦
I spend a lot of time making sarcastic quips on Reddit. My methodology of debate on there is far more abrasive relative to here. I use such methods of debate as it appears to be the way Australians communicate when they disagree with one another. There is no civil discourse, only ad hominem attacks, rejecting factual evidence in the favour of your vested narrative; though I do provide literature to back up my beliefs
Canāt say the same for most who use news articles and anecdotes consisting of tiny sample sizes to back up their beleifs. Not to say my method of argument is superior, but from a scientific standpoint it holds more merit when I can back up my claims with academic, peer reviewed literature and epidemiological statistics.
Prior to answering questions via the test I generally think of various policy enactments worldwide, how theyāve panned out and whether I agree with said policy.
Partially based on how I feel, partial real world application.
Interesting to see via this test youāre not that far away from where I stand.
Youād think going to college and all would push me father towards the leftā¦ But no, I grew irritated with ham fisted narratives being pushed through the campus (pro Palestinian sentiment, pushing socialism, CRT style ideologies and more)
My campus was considered fairly moderate in comparision to the collegeās situated around the city. My brother has shown me some of the shit students and faculty alike preach at his universityā¦ Canāt stand it
And our youth demographic appears more subservient and complicit towards authoritarianism than ever. Blatant advocacy for the erosion of democracy, it actually makes me sick!
The you have the dissolutioned youth who as a result clap back and swing pretty far right. They tend to think every single problem relates to the left wingā¦ There is no happy medium
The left wing arenāt the problem, itās the far left that is infiltrating mainstream narratives. Ditto with the right and protectionalist, nationalist and isolationist narratives taking over Aus
Its not the right per se, itās the far right becoming more popular within mainstream society. That middle ground, that happy medium is becoming an increasingly rare find
Yes. Many questions are āDo you agree withā¦?ā and not āDo you believe force should be employed to enforce your view onā¦?ā
Not sure how the law works over there but for reckless to stick, you typically have to be aware of a specific and real risk that is or will be present and then unjustifiably take that risk.
If you do not have COVID (maybe you could argue that it might include the symptoms that point to COVID) then it is pretty difficult to suggest recklessness.
Surely this is money for jam for a half competent lawyer.
Thanks for the tag. I have taken that test a few times in the past decade and the results have been similar. See my last result here.
This might be accurate but I believe to some it would give a wrong impression because of the lack of variety in questions. I am likely on the left in this because I do not want to live in an oligarchy or technocracy in which monopolistic corporations can Lord over us and I think we should have universal healthcare. That does not mean Iām against mom-and-pop capitalism and entrepreneurship.
Thanks for the tag. I wouldnāt mind discussing this further but as you can see I do not post much anymore, especially in PWI, because I canāt commit to threads and that winds up with me appearing as if Iām ignoring someone replying to me.
I like all posters you tagged here because theyāre smart, friendly, and civil. Unfortunately I donāt like posting here much anymore because of some postersā seeming obsession with racism, women, Nazism, homophobia, Hitler, misogyny, Islam, China, and Russia. That, and I believe there are actually a few sadists and control freaks on here.
