Absolute fear mongeringā¦ Look at the death/hospitalisation rate in Iceland, Canada, Netherlands etc. Countries with few, if any restrictions but high vaccination quotas.
If our government legitimately decides to turn into a bio-police state akin to how we currently are for the foreseeable future the economy willā¦ I repeat WILL crash
Why? Businesses (hospitality, tourism, music, restaurants, film-making and more) canāt operate in a perpetual state of lockdown. Theyāll pack up and ship out. SOME Australian citizens will look for employment overseas whereas the rest will obediently conform and live in a constant state of fear and paranoia. Lack of international students and tourism will lead to a further decline in GDP, we are already in the worst recession since WWII. I believe some 100,000 international students just left Aus due to our restrictive covid management. Suppose they sought to go home, better to live in a third world country than a police stateā¦
During lockdowns public healthcare more/less shuts down. Preliminary mortality statistics from this year/last year indicate a sharp uptick in deaths related to cancer, type 2 diabetes, dementia etc during and shortly after lockdowns. Say a smoker is coughing up a storm and is constantly short of breathā¦ they might have lung cancerā¦ they need medical imaging but canāt afford to go private during a prolonged lockdown. āSoRrY, CoViD!ā is the answer they might getā¦ as a result perhaps they die before they can get treatment, perhaps they can get a diagnosis/treatment but only after it gets so bad theyāre admitted to hospitalā¦ perhaps after lockdown when the cancer has progressed; now the outcome is terminal
On your death bed/require palliative careā¦ family canāt visit you under any circumstance
Those living out there last days, including kids, are forced to die alone. Rehabilitation centres are also booked up for months on end (very limited placements) or are outright shutting down down despite a huge uptick in substance abuse during lockdown. Ditto with psych wards
Hereās what happens if we live in a state of perpetual restrictions
- some businesses will adapt/new trades will become profitable
- by and large many will go homeless, job keeper payouts and economic stimulus bills wonāt get us far if the Australian dollar steeply declines in value.
- mass arrests, some protests, the government will try generate as much revenue as possible through fining citizensā¦
- Mental illness will continue to skyrocket
- quality of living will decline, International condemnation will amount
- eventually following a huge recession current leaders will be voted out and restrictions will be removed. There would probably be a HUGE swing in our sociocultural pendulum. The nanny state might even be reversedā¦ Mainstream parties at the moment cater towards autocratic rule, that might change if the police state mentality backfires tremendously
The guy in the article mentions there are āthousands of children in hospitalāā¦ as if thatās a big number relative to the amount of kids that have caught covid in the US.
Iceland is having a surge? Their āsurgeā correlates per capita to 6-9,000 cases/day in Aus with a seven day rolling average of zero deaths/day (though considerably more hospitalisations)ā¦ still not enough to overwhelm our hospitals, notā¦ evenā¦ closeā¦
You LEFTIE!!!
MOUSTACHE PERSON!!!
joking btw
How have you been? Hope everything is going well over there on the bottom of the world over in No-South America. You see, Iām so awesome my mere presence shifts the earths axis. Whatever hemisphere I live in is the top of the world!
We can have the political discussion in my war on drugs thread 
Hence the tags, donāt want to start a discourse with people that will put anyone down for merely expressing what they believe inā¦ so long as youāre not promoting hate speech, nazism or something abhorrent along the lines of that nature; to which I know you wouldnāt.
This is actually a good thing to be obsessed about combatting if someone is legitimately advocating for nazism, misogyny, racism and the likes. Iām referring to REAL racism, misogyny and whatnot, not some of the dreck that passes as misogyny/homophobia (like saying a biological male that has gone through puberty as a male and who has the bio-mechanical advantages of a male shouldnāt be allowed to compete against women in professional sports) nowadays. Apparently biological principles no longer matter because āfeelingsā
Iāve never seen you advocate for the oppression of women, nazism, racial discrimination, nazism, shariah law, communism etc
Well I just listened to this petty dictator with my jaw on the floor. Donāt talk to your neighbors?
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1425435129787396105?s=20
You think SHEāS bad?
Listen to premiers like Daniel Andrews or Mark McGowan talk
āI donāt see what people are protesting aboutā¦ besides, thatās illegalā
āI reserve my right to lock down after 70% of people are vaccinatedā
ādonāt leave the house, all you might be doing is spreading the virusā (over 6 cases)
ādonāt socialise when you go grocery shoppingā
Today the media is freaking out because a fully vaccinated man in his 90ās diedā¦ well preliminary mortality statistics in the US indicate someone in their 90ās is 600x more likely to die from covid relative to someone my ageā¦ vaccinated or not, theyāre still at a way higher risk
Two people died today, both in their 90ās
manā¦ itās getting worseā¦
Keep in mind these people have been under lockdown for eight weeks now
itās actually hilarious, the narrative is that this is SERIOUS, the world is fucknig endingā¦ what percentage of the population there is actually catching covid in Sydney? something like 0.001%
āQueensland. Beautiful one day, perfect the nextā, just like the ad used to say. Only if you are a member of the NKVD, or the Stasi.
Where are they taking him? To a cell with other people? Thatās thinkinā.
āgive me my jacketā
āIām taking itāā¦
whatā¦ That jacket wasnāt even that fancy, what does he want with it?
If it was my denim jacket with a heavy metal album cover on the back Iād understand why heās want itā¦ Because itās the sickest jacket in the world
So I did my research 
it seems these people gathered to protest (illegal) but used Yoga in the park (legal) as a way to get around the protest laws.
Pretty sure thatās even more disturbing.
Why is socially distanced protesting illegal?
No idea. Yoga in the park okay. Protesting in the park not okay. 
If itās within your 2.5-10km radius and doesnāt last for more than 1-2 hours (rules differ depending on state) then yesā¦ itās okay
Thereās really no way to overestimate the number of lives saved by common sense regulations like those, is there?
This is just getting stupid now.
Law especially Australian law has never been an interest of mine. So a few questions that hopefully someone can answer.
- Are these lockdown restrictions imposed by NSW legal?
- What is the specific legal framework allowing these lockdown restrictions?
- To what lengths are they able to go.
I know it seems I am being lazy but I haveāt the slightest clue where to search this at the moment. Any references that I can read at my own leisure would be appreciated.
Story time:
Was at seven eleven getting morning coffee. Five police officers in an unmarked blacked out SUV were performing a physical search of this tiny 40ish year old women in front of the store. Interrogating her as well.
They were these beefed up men. Pistols holstered on their sides. Wearing body armour. Intimidating look men. Four or five of them surrounding her.
What did this lady do? She didnāt scan the QR code with her phone to check in.
WTF is wrong with you? Unless this was a one-off thing, in which case desperate times call for desperate measures.
Personally I like it. Functions well as an aperient.
Also, they do not do coffee in this country like they do state side. It is very European. Meaning everything is a made from espresso.
The two most common options are:
Long black = 2 shots of espresso filled with water = super bitter shitty tasting coffee. Essentially an americano.
Flat white = 1-2 shots of espresso filled with milk = too milky.
What I want is a mild, easily drinkable equivalent of American style filtered coffee. Seven Eleven here is the closest I can get to that flavor.
They love to shit on American coffee here which I do not understand. I donāt understand it. A good cup of filtered coffee for me needs minimal cream/milk and minimal sugar to be a delicious way to start your day. An amazing cup of coffee needs nothing.
These concoctions in Aus are unpalatable. In my opinion.
Only hearsay, but my understanding is at a State level, regular methods such as assessing and debating the new rules, and passing the bill in parliament is suspended, due to covid/state of emergency that never ends. Emergency powers that mean the govt can do whatever it wants, or at least thatās how they see things.
Is it legal? Maybe, maybe not. It definitely is out of proportion to the risk, and the duration of the alleged emergency.
They get around it by abusing the legal process, dragging it out in the courts so by the time a decision is made, many months or even years pass, and they are hoping the threat will be over or at least in a lull where life is back to normal, or at least only minor restrictions.
Iām guessing most of what they are doing is an abuse of power if judged under the letter of the law, by an impartial judge. We have seen at a federal level the judge who looked at Clive Palmerās case was not going by the letter of the law. Palmerās challenge to the various state govts restriction on interstate travel, on the basis that it clearly denies us our constitutional rights to to impede trade or travel between the States. Clearly stated in the Constitution, that the States or Federal Govts have no right to do this. The judge however decided that there was a compelling need, so quashed the challenge.
Clearly the law doesnāt matter, if those in power donāt follow it. Most people are too dumb, or too weak to challenge the laws, in the short term.
Maybe there will be repercussions for the abuse of power in the future, but it will be years away.
The powers are just doubling down on their severe restrictions because they donāt want to look weak, or indecisive. In reality they donāt have a clue but they are reveling in their excuse to abuse regular powersā¦
I donāt know much about Australian law although I might kinda have an idea of what itās like since itās a Commonwealth Nation. Theyāre listed in detail in your government websites too.
At face value, Iām not sure that anything theyāre doing on a macro level is illegal. The shit that goes down on a micro level could be chalked up to stupid acts by individuals who arenāt interpreting them properly.
That being said, the powers afforded to the State when a State of Emergency is declared even in the US will blow anyoneās minds if they actually read up on them. The question is whether the government has the balls to invoke and/or enforce them.
Japan, for example, gives the government widespread powers IF they decide to invoke their Emergency Laws. However, they have a generally compliant population which takes mask wearing and social distancing seriously and has faith in their scientists. Add in the fact that any perceived overreach by the government would be seen as a āreturnā to the WW2 era and you have a government without the balls to even invoke them.
However, with the recent surge in cases, we may see some interesting stuff going down that didnāt happen in the prior waves.
Aside from the millitary, theyāre no different from lockdowns in other states
Why does Aussie law interest you? We have REALLY weak privacy standards, no charter for human rights, an extremely.powerdul LEO paradigm and an extremely complicit populace. Politicians and law enforcement can get away with virtually whatever they wantā¦ Whenever they wantā¦